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Old 9th May 2021, 07:13
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Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
I’m sure it won’t be long until a proper legal challenge is mounted. Keeping families apart, especially from lower risk countries AND if you and your family are vaccinated must be against some kind of law.
When my grandmother came to Australia in her 20s she never saw her parents again. Within Australia’s immigrant history the immigrants knew that coming here meant more or less cutting the rope and many never returned to their country of origin. Visiting family overseas a couple of times a year is a very recent phenomenon, really only in the last 20 years.

The reason we can’t leave is because people leave and then cry they can’t readily come back (see just about everyone in India who wants to return).
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Old 9th May 2021, 07:34
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When my grandmother came to Australia in her 20s she never saw her parents again. Within Australia’s immigrant history the immigrants knew that coming here meant more or less cutting the rope and many never returned to their country of origin. Visiting family overseas a couple of times a year is a very recent phenomenon, really only in the last 20 years.

The reason we can’t leave is because people leave and then cry they can’t readily come back (see just about everyone in India who wants to return).
wasn’t the premise of long service leave to allow poms to return on the long voyage for family reunions……
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Old 9th May 2021, 07:37
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Originally Posted by patty50
When my grandmother came to Australia in her 20s she never saw her parents again. Within Australia’s immigrant history the immigrants knew that coming here meant more or less cutting the rope and many never returned to their country of origin. Visiting family overseas a couple of times a year is a very recent phenomenon, really only in the last 20 years.

The reason we can’t leave is because people leave and then cry they can’t readily come back (see just about everyone in India who wants to return).
as is their right. And the removal of this right is bound to be challenged.
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Old 9th May 2021, 07:55
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
Glad international students are being kept out. They are a main reason wages haven’t increased for 20 years. Endless supply of graduates who are tied to their employer due to visa requirements. They are also a major source of immigration which is destroying Sydney and Melbourne. The university sector isn’t educating them as much as simply selling citizenship via university courses. Which they seem to be able to acquire, up to masters level without even having basic functional English. Yes I have had to take over work for such a person in addition to what I already had to do because they couldn’t write English. Incredible given assignments and exams are in English. Oh, but assignments are all group, ensuring at least one local is included who ends up doing all the work. As for exams, can’t fail them or else they might complain and the university would get a bad reputation amongst international students and they would go elsewhere, ending the rivers of gold. So to hell with the ‘education’ aka citizenship selling sector. The Australian economy needs to grow up. If all we do is dig **** out of the ground, sell citizenship and build crappy dog box apartment blocks to house them then we are doomed anyway.

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That's an interesting take on the situation. I guess visa holders would be more inclined to take a lower wage as opposed to having to go to their origin country.
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Old 9th May 2021, 07:58
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Originally Posted by t_cas
wasn’t the premise of long service leave to allow poms to return on the long voyage for family reunions……
Ok so we visit our overseas family once every ten years? We’re 14 months in to the travel ban.

The travel ban has been effective at stopping superfluous trips. An ounce of prevention (stopping exits) is worth a pound of cure (chartering flights to bring the complaining “stranded” back).

If you’re sick of the joint and want to leave for 3+ months you can.
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Old 9th May 2021, 08:33
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Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
as is their right. And the removal of this right is bound to be challenged.
Sure it’s a right (with conditions​​​​​) - like at the moment due to the pandemic you’ll have to wait a bit etc. Warning was given last year to get back while you could.
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Old 9th May 2021, 08:33
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That's an interesting take on the situation. I guess visa holders would be more inclined to take a lower wage as opposed to having to go to their origin country.
students, especially Chinese study here with the sole intention of staying, ie migrating here. They have limited knowledge of wage levels here and are desperate to stay. And competition is strong with the numbers of graduates our kolleges of nollege are churning out.

then you have 457 visa holders. Many come from India for IT or finance positions. I was involved in offshoring jobs to India about 10 years ago. Jobs paying 70 to 80k here were 13 to 15 k in India, 120 to 130k manager roles here, 30k in India. So they come here on a 457 , get offered 100k, a fortune to them but 20 to 30k below market rates. Employers know this so advertise roles at 100k, nobody applies as it is below market rates. Employers cry no skilled workers…. And of course 457 visa holders are sponsored so need to stay with that employer, or find another employer that is willing to sponsor them, more difficult to move roles.
fhen you have zero wage internships that foreign graduates take out of desperation. Basically working around 6 months for nothing after they graduate to get SOME experience. Often these companies are owned by Chinese so they exploit their own.

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Old 9th May 2021, 09:20
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So ironical that the Chief Pilot (yes we have one!!) puts out an email asking us to pretty please...please...do the Survey (because no one has done it) the same day that more flying is outsourced....
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Old 9th May 2021, 09:55
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No useful work for the aircraft they fly.

same reason LH are stood down while QLink are interviewing for externals
You know, in an enlightened and employee engaged workplace it would make sense to at least offer redeployment to those who have had their lives turned upside down. After all they’re already in the system, with all the associated skills and clearances. Certainly way ahead of anyone off the street.

Just work down the LH Seniority list and perhaps put in some “return of service” provisos?

I mean it’s not Rocket Science.
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Old 9th May 2021, 10:23
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You know, in an enlightened and employee engaged workplace it would make sense to at least offer redeployment to those who have had their lives turned upside down. After all they’re already in the system, with all the associated skills and clearances. Certainly way ahead of anyone off the street.

Just work down the LH Seniority list and perhaps put in some “return of service” provisos?

I mean it’s not Rocket Science.
They did, just as EFA, Network and NJS did. An EOI went out for a 3 year secondment. Mostly they required to be rated on type. This counted most internal people out. They got a few bites but need to supplement that with externals to meet projected intake numbers.

They also need to make sure they have the right people for the job. Being part of the group doesn’t automatically make you “way ahead of anyone off the street.”
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Old 9th May 2021, 10:40
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere
They also need to make sure they have the right people for the job. Being part of the group doesn’t automatically make you “way ahead of anyone off the street.”
I’ll bet the Brisbane based Q400 Captains would rather a group A3something or a 7whatever pilot over more QFPP...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/aust...s-academy/amp/



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Old 9th May 2021, 10:52
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I’ll bet the Brisbane based Q400 Captains would rather a group A3something or a 7whatever pilot over more QFPP...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/aust...s-academy/amp/
I've heard they have interviewed a mix of GA and ex airline. It's initially for SYD and MEL bases.
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Old 9th May 2021, 13:49
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Originally Posted by SDN Superstar
I’ll bet the Brisbane based Q400 Captains would rather a group A3something or a 7whatever pilot over more QFPP...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/aust...s-academy/amp/
All LH pilots have been offered slots with Qlink, Alliance and EFA. Some needing type ratings, some no rating required.

If there's not enough internal candidates then they go to external recruitment. And yes, Academy grads will be the first to be offered employment, no surprise an airline will choose those who've been through their own training system first over unknowns.

As far as who is "preferred" well that is a debate that has been done to the death on these forums, let's just say there have been a variety of cadetships and traineeships offered within the group for decades and they've all done fine. A lot of cadets/trainees rapidly became Q400 Captains and Training Captains in Qlink over the years so perhaps they'd have no problem at all with Academy grads?
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Old 9th May 2021, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
students, especially Chinese study here with the sole intention of staying, ie migrating here. They have limited knowledge of wage levels here and are desperate to stay. And competition is strong with the numbers of graduates our kolleges of nollege are churning out.

then you have 457 visa holders. Many come from India for IT or finance positions. I was involved in offshoring jobs to India about 10 years ago. Jobs paying 70 to 80k here were 13 to 15 k in India, 120 to 130k manager roles here, 30k in India. So they come here on a 457 , get offered 100k, a fortune to them but 20 to 30k below market rates. Employers know this so advertise roles at 100k, nobody applies as it is below market rates. Employers cry no skilled workers…. And of course 457 visa holders are sponsored so need to stay with that employer, or find another employer that is willing to sponsor them, more difficult to move roles.
fhen you have zero wage internships that foreign graduates take out of desperation. Basically working around 6 months for nothing after they graduate to get SOME experience. Often these companies are owned by Chinese so they exploit their own.
Having lost my job last year I was 'lucky' to pick up a job in security. What an eye opener, working with guys from Pakistan (Accounting degree), Nepal (chemistry) India (accounting, IT and teaching) - Nepalese have the best English of that group. Sense of entitlement by some and they are all in on every government handout they can get (I was shocked to learn that I could get a couple of things). All say the government is doing right thing, funny thing to me is the Indians don't want the Indians to return to Australia. As for the money, what I could not believer from speaking to others is the fact that large companies pay so poorly to these guys in supposedly and potentially high risk areas (guys move from airport to ports security).
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Old 9th May 2021, 22:09
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Well, like I keep saying. Quarantine is here and here to stay!
borders closed indefinitely with no exit strategy. It's rather sad to see when they push the vaccine on the population then go back on why the vaccine is really there in the first place.
The rest of the world is learning to live with the virus. Australia and NZ will turn into hermit states like North Korea before too long.
​​long.
Australians have had the right to freedom of movement taken from them, probably never to be returned.
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Old 9th May 2021, 22:36
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So ironical that the Chief Pilot (yes we have one!!) puts out an email asking us to pretty please...please...do the Survey (because no one has done it) the same day that more flying is outsourced....
I guess they have used lines to tug at your heart strings such as 'we need your input because we want to do better'!
Dont get fooled.
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Old 10th May 2021, 00:07
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I guess they have used lines to tug at your heart strings such as 'we need your input because we want to do better'!
Dont get fooled.
Or alternatively, do the survey and tell them exactly how you feel when you see flying being outsourced (bye bye future Mainline SH commands), while you collect $934/fortnight in govmint money and get an email every 8 weeks telling you there is no useful work.

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Old 10th May 2021, 01:24
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Why bother? We’ve been telling them how we feel for 20 years since the purchase of Impulse and look where we are.
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Old 10th May 2021, 02:02
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FWIW:
Qantas 787s have operated just over 80 sectors in the last 5 weeks - most of them international on repatriation and freight services to LAX, HKG, NRT, LHR, FRA, JNB among other places.

Not outstanding, but not exactly idle either.
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Old 10th May 2021, 04:25
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Or alternatively, do the survey and tell them exactly how you feel when you see flying being outsourced (bye bye future Mainline SH commands), while you collect $934/fortnight in govmint money and get an email every 8 weeks telling you there is no useful work.
When they get a reply it ticks a box to say you are engaged & therefore the kpi's are achieved for the relevant manager thus bonus paid.
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