All borders to reopen.
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
Ahhhh no. This is NOT a requirement to enter the USA. Any arrival over 2 years old MUST have a negative PCR test and sign a form to state they have done a test or had COVID in the last 3 months.
No requirement to be vaccinated (even as non-citizen).
However the CDC “recommends” if you are unvaccinated, you isolate and get another test after arrival.
Unlike Australia, “recommend” is not enforced, I’ve travelled to the USA twice this year with family, we were never asked about our vaccination status.
No requirement to be vaccinated (even as non-citizen).
However the CDC “recommends” if you are unvaccinated, you isolate and get another test after arrival.
Unlike Australia, “recommend” is not enforced, I’ve travelled to the USA twice this year with family, we were never asked about our vaccination status.
What You Need to Know
- You must be fully vaccinated to travel to the United States by plane if you are a non-U.S. citizen, non-U.S. immigrant (not a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, lawful permanent resident, or traveling to the United States on an immigrant visa). Only limited exceptions apply.
- You are required to show a negative COVID-19 test result or documentation of recovery from COVID-19 when you travel to the United States by air. The timing of this test depends on your vaccination status and age.
- Wearing a mask over your nose and mouth is required in indoor areas of public transportation (including airplanes) traveling into, within, or out of the United States and indoors in U.S. transportation hubs (including airports).
Originally Posted by 601
How did Dan overrule the PM?
One controls the State borders the other controls the International borders.
Your statement would have credence if Dan overruled the decision on the international borders.
One controls the State borders the other controls the International borders.
Your statement would have credence if Dan overruled the decision on the international borders.
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
Ahhhh no. This is NOT a requirement to enter the USA. Any arrival over 2 years old MUST have a negative PCR test and sign a form to state they have done a test or had COVID in the last 3 months.
No requirement to be vaccinated (even as non-citizen).
However the CDC “recommends” if you are unvaccinated, you isolate and get another test after arrival.
Unlike Australia, “recommend” is not enforced, I’ve travelled to the USA twice this year with family, we were never asked about our vaccination status.
No requirement to be vaccinated (even as non-citizen).
However the CDC “recommends” if you are unvaccinated, you isolate and get another test after arrival.
Unlike Australia, “recommend” is not enforced, I’ve travelled to the USA twice this year with family, we were never asked about our vaccination status.
Requirement for Proof of COVID-19 Vaccination for Air Passengers Required for non-U.S. citizen, nonimmigrant passengers arriving from a foreign country to the United States by air
There’s restrictions on Australian citizens movement for now but they will be largely over by early next year. The previous posts were indicating a permanent long term loss of freedoms compared to the US, I’m just enquiring what those freedoms are that have been permanently lost?
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Originally Posted by dr dre
That changed a few days ago, all non citizens arriving by air require proof of vaccination with only a few exemptions:
Requirement for Proof of COVID-19 Vaccination for Air Passengers Required for non-U.S. citizen, nonimmigrant passengers arriving from a foreign country to the United States by air
There’s restrictions on Australian citizens movement for now but they will be largely over by early next year. The previous posts were indicating a permanent long term loss of freedoms compared to the US, I’m just enquiring what those freedoms are that have been permanently lost?
Requirement for Proof of COVID-19 Vaccination for Air Passengers Required for non-U.S. citizen, nonimmigrant passengers arriving from a foreign country to the United States by air
There’s restrictions on Australian citizens movement for now but they will be largely over by early next year. The previous posts were indicating a permanent long term loss of freedoms compared to the US, I’m just enquiring what those freedoms are that have been permanently lost?
Fair enough. Obviously things are changing there as well.
Just shows how frustrating travel is at the moment with all the changing requirements.
Originally Posted by dr dre
Oh well I guess 750,000 dead, the biggest mass death event in US history, is the trade off.
As a percentage of the US population - 0.24% have died with CV.
Everyone holding the US model as disastrous fails to see that 99.75% of the population didn’t die with CV.
But let’s keep peddling the fear and outrage at any loss of life, conveniently ignoring everything else that’s killing us and will continue to kill us long after CV is just another one of the many endemic diseases amongst us.
There's the actual US stats on 2020, 2021 will have higher proportion of COVID deaths as it will have a full year of full infection. It's quite clear that the overall death rate jumped some 10% or more over trend, meaning sadly for the skeptics out there they didn't just blame Coivid for other things. We also have to remember this is living with compensation for the disease including lockdowns, social distancing mask wearing. If it was left to spread like flu it would be significantly higher, NYC locked down pretty hard to stop the spread there as with other major cities affected. So being 3rd (10%) on the list of nasty things to die from in a year is nothing to sneeze at, especially when your target is doing things to stop you.
PS also have to remember that if they cure CVD, Cancer and Alzheimer, humans will be well on the way to living forever baring intervention from accidents and intentional harm. So Covid tops the list of external things trying to kill you.
Things that are vulnerable to Covid infection such as Heart disease and Diabetes also jumped in 2020, indicating maybe some were possibly Covid related as well.
BTW I see a worrying trend of Alzheimer deaths increasing in the US, hopefully they can find a cure or good treatment for that soon.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Oh well I guess 750,000 dead, the biggest mass death event in US history, is the trade off.
Could you list the “freedoms” Australia supposedly has given away? From your statement you seem to be in the US and relying on American media for your view of Australia, perhaps you watched Tucker Carlson’s show to form your view.
If you’re talking about vaccines for entry a non US citizen needs proof of vaccination to enter the US as well you know.
Could you list the “freedoms” Australia supposedly has given away? From your statement you seem to be in the US and relying on American media for your view of Australia, perhaps you watched Tucker Carlson’s show to form your view.
If you’re talking about vaccines for entry a non US citizen needs proof of vaccination to enter the US as well you know.
Just to be clear, I have been exposed to Covid multiple times. I am NOT afraid of the flu. If you are get the jab, however, do not tell me what to put in my body, especially after the lecture about "my body my choice" regarding abortion after all these years.
PS I love Tucker. That has not always been so. However, he is one of the few mainstream media geeks standing up for true freedom. You have already acquiesced yours
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Originally Posted by AceMT
You're not even worth discussing facts with. You have been blinded by fear and liberalism. If you haven't watched the videos where people are being arrested for not wearing a MASK and think that is ok, then I have nothing more to say to you. "750,000 dead, the biggest mass death event in US history, is the trade off." You may want to do a little more research before you embarrass yourself. I watch ALL the media. The fake media AND the fact media. I am intelligent enough to discern which is real, you obviously are not and would rather be spoon fed the narrative that fits your agenda. Sheep!
Just to be clear, I have been exposed to Covid multiple times. I am NOT afraid of the flu. If you are get the jab, however, do not tell me what to put in my body, especially after the lecture about "my body my choice" regarding abortion after all these years.
PS I love Tucker. That has not always been so. However, he is one of the few mainstream media geeks standing up for true freedom. You have already acquiesced yours
Just to be clear, I have been exposed to Covid multiple times. I am NOT afraid of the flu. If you are get the jab, however, do not tell me what to put in my body, especially after the lecture about "my body my choice" regarding abortion after all these years.
PS I love Tucker. That has not always been so. However, he is one of the few mainstream media geeks standing up for true freedom. You have already acquiesced yours
Oh dear. Another one who knows the ‘truth’ and thinks Covid is just the flu. I thing you will find most people who are on the front line, treating people with Covid, will assure you it’s not. However, you are free to believe what ever truth you choose.
Originally Posted by AceMT
You're not even worth discussing facts with. You have been blinded by fear and liberalism. If you haven't watched the videos where people are being arrested for not wearing a MASK and think that is ok, then I have nothing more to say to you. "750,000 dead, the biggest mass death event in US history, is the trade off." You may want to do a little more research before you embarrass yourself. I watch ALL the media. The fake media AND the fact media. I am intelligent enough to discern which is real, you obviously are not and would rather be spoon fed the narrative that fits your agenda. Sheep!
Just to be clear, I have been exposed to Covid multiple times. I am NOT afraid of the flu. If you are get the jab, however, do not tell me what to put in my body, especially after the lecture about "my body my choice" regarding abortion after all these years.
PS I love Tucker. That has not always been so. However, he is one of the few mainstream media geeks standing up for true freedom. You have already acquiesced yours
Just to be clear, I have been exposed to Covid multiple times. I am NOT afraid of the flu. If you are get the jab, however, do not tell me what to put in my body, especially after the lecture about "my body my choice" regarding abortion after all these years.
PS I love Tucker. That has not always been so. However, he is one of the few mainstream media geeks standing up for true freedom. You have already acquiesced yours
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
There's the actual US stats on 2020, 2021 will have higher proportion of COVID deaths as it will have a full year of full infection.
Originally Posted by 43Inches
Things that are vulnerable to Covid infection such as Heart disease and Diabetes also jumped in 2020, indicating maybe some were possibly Covid related as well.
But will it really? Given the widespread availability of the vaccine in the USA from at least mid-year, I’d argue the deaths will be similar. Total deaths is upto 750,000, so that would mean around 400,000 this year (yes it’s not over yet). Hardly a dramatic increase.
Heart disease was already on the rise every year displayed in your statistics. Diabetes as well. That’s probably got more to do with the rise in obese Americans than Covid!!
As far as Obesity increase, that horse bolted probably back in the 80s for the US, as a trend % of population it would be statistically neutral or maybe slightly on the improve as of late. Like Covid tallies, most of those CVD and cancer deaths would be in the old aged as well, like I said if you could completely cure those you would be seeing humans live forever.
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Oh dear. Another one who knows the ‘truth’ and thinks Covid is just the flu. I thing you will find most people who are on the front line, treating people with Covid, will assure you it’s not. However, you are free to believe what ever truth you choose.
As for your stupid comment about front line folk thinking differently, I know many, and a lot of them echo what I am saying. Do you actually know any or are you just regurgitating the medias line? My niece is a nurse and she refuses to take the jab after what she has seen. If you have no comorbidity, it isn't much worse than the flu at all. If you are obese, have diabetes, etc, then your risk is obviously higher.
Good luck out there socialists....
Originally Posted by AceMT
As for your stupid comment about front line folk thinking differently, I know many, and a lot of them echo what I am saying.
Good luck out there socialists....
So before you call out others with political slogans, make sure you know what you actually stand for. As you might just be on the same side of the fence in reality of what you are calling out.
And you do know that the opposite of a mandated socialist health policy is not capitalism, as that is an economic model, but is being a Libertarian, which is still a leftist Marxist philosophy and can be considered part of a communist agenda, therefore still socialism.
Meanwhile I read that the lunacy of Australian State Borders is continuing where you can now fly half way around the world but not within your own country. This then begs the question of how legal the state border restrictions have become. Are we going to start following the constitution or are we now 7 independent countries?
I suggest you brush up on your definitions as Marxism, socialism, and Libertinism are not what you are describing here. The opposite to a socialist style health system is user pays, either out of your own pocket or the insurance company's.
Communism is a socialist ideology so expands on socialism into more structured government, they are not one and the same thing.
So in short Socialism is a ideal of communal run services, you can run those services as opt in or out or have a number of choices for the same service. Libertarians (left wing) will demand all services and rules are optional to pay and participate in, Fascism (right wing) authority will command the opposite that the state dictates whats good for you and how you pay for it.
Capitalism is a system of economics, where the economy is allowed complete freedom to operate, which in turn means survival of the fittest. In pure capitalism there are no rules just trade and the economy sets the price for goods, until of course you get monopolies and services no one wants to do. Then you need government intervention to modify the economy to make the whole system work. Socialism and Capitalism are not directly relatable but do interfere with each other in various ways, there's no such thing as a Socialist/Capitalist slider that you can move either way in government like they make out.
Originally Posted by AceMT
Gee, thanks for allowing me to think freely. I assure you in the future ,at the rate we are going, that will NOT be the case as many of you are giving away freedoms too easily.
As for your stupid comment about front line folk thinking differently, I know many, and a lot of them echo what I am saying. Do you actually know any or are you just regurgitating the medias line? My niece is a nurse and she refuses to take the jab after what she has seen. If you have no comorbidity, it isn't much worse than the flu at all. If you are obese, have diabetes, etc, then your risk is obviously higher.
Good luck out there socialists....
As for your stupid comment about front line folk thinking differently, I know many, and a lot of them echo what I am saying. Do you actually know any or are you just regurgitating the medias line? My niece is a nurse and she refuses to take the jab after what she has seen. If you have no comorbidity, it isn't much worse than the flu at all. If you are obese, have diabetes, etc, then your risk is obviously higher.
Good luck out there socialists....
Also just to give you an idea of how bad things are in America, I lived in America working as a pilot for 2 years about 10 years ago. From the small group of friends and colleges I worked with, I know personally of 8 people who have died of covid, including 4 pilots, all 4 of whom we're current Airline Pilots and thus held current class 1 medicals, 3 of them under 50.
For those in Australia, think of your an airline a bit smaller from REX and the people you would know personally by name while working there for 2 years. Now imagine 4 of those pilots died in the same year from the same cause.
Meanwhile I've living here in Victoria for the rest of my life and know of 2 people who have had covid,1 of whom was hospitalised.
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
I suggest you brush up on your definitions as Marxism, socialism, and Libertinism are not what you are describing here. The opposite to a socialist style health system is user pays, either out of your own pocket or the insurance
Libertarianism is what I meant.
