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Old 21st Aug 2021, 07:19
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You mean such as Dan disciples, McClown cart followers, unelected ‘experts’, bureaucrats and large sections of the media?
Again if you get all your information from one source you are now at the mercy of their bias and direction.

One tool you are given to deal with mental health issues is to be rational about information, make sure it agrees and is consistent with reality. If your information is at odds with what is actually happening then you are suffering an episode, being fooled. Now that can be easy to deduce through grounding or might be hard depending if you are surrounded by influences feeding the delusion. Basically check information provided to you, refer to different sources and see if it makes sense relative to what is actually happening and ask for trusted opinions from people relevant to the situation. If it's just isolated information highlighting some conspiracy then it's most likely bogus/fake, especially if fed through anonymous sources. Also look for highly edited or out of context interviews or snippets of data, without seeing the actual study it refers to, half truths are the easiest to make convincing.

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Old 21st Aug 2021, 07:39
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The reason people are angry or infuriated is the method. It's Dan's way or the highway. No one else has a say. Their is no middle ground. Every decision is done behind closed doors. I bet their are hundreds of GPs and Profs out their also wanting know the public health advice. Sutton and Chant are just broadcasters reading a script. Good work if you can get it at $12,000 a week.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 09:46
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I wonder how all the Dan lovers/followers are feeling these days? Still feeling the love are we?
The grubby lunatic is out of control yet they still believe the daily BS & would follow the grub right off a cliff!
the lunatic wants many days in a row of zero cases before he opens the cell doors, good luck with that its gunna be a lonely Xmas for many!
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 10:05
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They've lost it now, too much non compliance in Sydney and Melbourne for lockdown to work. It's heading towards the great "let it rip" regardless of what the public/pollies want.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 10:41
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
They've lost it now, too much non compliance in Sydney and Melbourne for lockdown to work. It's heading towards the great "let it rip" regardless of what the public/pollies want.
Indeed it is, sad they didn't get enough vaccinated. now the remaining states have to get more draconian with our borders.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 10:42
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People are tired and fatigued of COVID compliance. The NSW lockdown is having a real impact, with an Reff of 1.2-1.3, down from R0 of >5. It's going to be harder to convince people of that as case numbers climb.

Non-compliance will become wider spread. Just got to hope the vaccinations start to have a real impact on hospitalisations and deaths, as much of the populace is about at the end of its tether when it comes to doing what they're told. It's going to be hard to find that point of inflection where you can push lockdowns as far as possible without losing all trust and faith with the public. It's a dangerous time.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 11:05
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We all get our information from somewhere..we all have to take what weíre given in faith since the information comes faster and in volumes that donít allow us to analyse. As anyone that like me, is a lifelong sceptic, questions everything ..by the time the onion is peeled and half the information that is sold as fact becomes discredited, itís last weeks fish n chip paper. The public has moved on and most believe opinion is fact.

when was the last time anyone issued a public retraction?
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 13:03
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Indeed it is, sad they didn't get enough vaccinated. now the remaining states have to get more draconian with our borders.
Actually the NSW/VIC border should be lifted. What difference does it make. Both states have now cross pollinated. Why not form their own covid bubble. Other states nick off. Your 3 months behind us and way too clean.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 14:40
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080
Actually the NSW/VIC border should be lifted. What difference does it make. Both states have now cross pollinated. Why not form their own covid bubble. Other states nick off. Your 3 months behind us and way too clean.
A fair call too and one those two states may consider if VIC loses control as well. Just don't think you'll be allowed to travel into any other state because you won't. SA is already looking at a transport hub near the border to turn the prime movers around (swap trailers)
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 20:53
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True..after all Dan has proven before that he can take a small localised outbreak in a community and turn it into a citywide death plague by following world best practice (but long disabused by the WHO and the United Nations) extreme lockdowns
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 21:47
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
A fair call too and one those two states may consider if VIC loses control as well. Just don't think you'll be allowed to travel into any other state because you won't. SA is already looking at a transport hub near the border to turn the prime movers around (swap trailers)
Vaccines should be diverted to VIC & NSW for the time being outside of any program for the vulnerable or frontline staff in WA. That's if we are all in this together?

However, Australian state borders are porous. They are being breached daily. Comically so from what I've seen. The chance of wider outbreaks in the other States still likely. I just hope the morons in charge accept this and don't keep adding to the COVID bill.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 22:17
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Jesus the skynews brigade comes out on a Sunday morning.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 23:07
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Not sure what your point is?

I don't want to be a Cassandra. However, for a look beyond Christmas, perhaps the whole of the financial year, it may be reasonable to take a look at Israel today. Now combine that snapshot with the individual policies of the Australian Premiers. It's a basket case scenario for aviation and the wider economy.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 00:21
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No matter how you look at it, the whole country is fked! Vic going into a complete lockdown along with NSW has assured Australia falls rapidly and deep in to recession until next yr. this is much worse than this time last yr, although we have the vaccine which means nothing to the premiers covid zero is still sought after other than NSW.

Thursday will be an interesting day for a lot of us, see what the forecast is and if there will be further VR or even CR with in the group. I did read from an uncredited source, I didn’t look into it as I didn’t care really but BA have scheduled flights from March 2022, they’re optimistic with that.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 00:39
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The QANTAS group SHVC?
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 00:59
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I'm going to put 10 bucks on NSW residents being able to travel overseas (excluding NZ) before they're allowed to travel to WA. Anyone want to take it?

We are in the nightmare scenario for domestic aviation. I'm struggling to see a way out of it. The only leverage Morrison has left is to cut support payments once we hit 80% national vax rates and hope the outcry and misery unleashed is sufficient to bend the will of the premiers. The man is a eunuch right now, confined to giving people money while the premiers make all the decisions.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 01:13
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Not being from NSW Iím only seeing Gladysís recent work and I think she is leading the country the right way . Mistakes have been made but so has every other politician on the planet . She said we have to come to terms with it as itís here to stay , she tried to keep economic loss to a minimum before this outbreak forced her hand . Outbreaks in western suburbs , aboriginal communities and aged care facilities staffed by anti-vaxers are weak points that she has tried to respond to quickly . She is getting more vaccines in for the vulnerable and on the front foot with vaccinating young people , thatís been happening overseas for months . She was first to nominate a % that would allow her to open things up . Itís reported the nsw power brokers have numbers to topple her and she would lose an election ,yet she is staying the course that seems to my uneducated brain a way through this shit storm while all the other premiers look to winning next election in a landslide by pandering to peopleís fears by locking everyone up so they feel safe in their beds at night . The pendulum will swing and the money men in Canberra will gain the upper hand once vaccinations reach %70 and support to the states gets reduced .
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 01:13
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71 total in NZ with 6 in WLG.

All linked to that woman who travelled from SYD.

If she'd kept the border closed................
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 01:16
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
I'm going to put 10 bucks on NSW residents being able to travel overseas (excluding NZ) before they're allowed to travel to WA. Anyone want to take it?
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Agree except Iíll wager more on it!
Actually opening international borders would be a pretty strong tool in the Fedís playbook to get recalcitrant states in line.
Vic is now out of control and wonít be eliminated by lockdown. Not sure if itís in the news yet but sources tell me it has spread regionally beyond Shepparton.
By November VIC and NSW open for business and the rest of the country isolateÖ.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 01:25
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I will bet $100 on it, the unrest will run riot in QLD when they see NSW and Victorians booking a flight to Europe next yr.
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