All borders to reopen.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by SHVC

WA and rest of the country are in lockdown, they just don’t realize it yet!

I believe the remaining states won't be that far behind NSW including WA. I don't think a NSW Open International Border, at least for returning Australians will be all that meaningful until the remaining states open up. I still think it will be early next year before we see any real effect.

[SHVC]

WA can stay closed I personally don’t care what happens there. QLD won’t be able to justify staying closed past their 80% target and will open. if you have seen Queen P speak lately she is slowly admitting it. Eastern states will move on, leaving WA behind and McGoose will jump up and down trying to get more air time. When he decides to open next yr it will go un noticed as we have already been enjoying what we were enjoying in 2019.

[SOPS]

I don’t think this new NSW policy will cause other states to open up. I think it will have the reverse effect. It gives the other states the perfect exude not to open any borders, as there is no longer an control of the virus in NSW. I really think this is the perfect excuse they need to shut the rest of the country down, not open it up.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by SHVC

WA can stay closed I personally don’t care what happens there. QLD won’t be able to justify staying closed past their 80% target and will open. if you have seen Queen P speak lately she is slowly admitting it. Eastern states will move on, leaving WA behind and McGoose will jump up and down trying to get more air time. When he decides to open next yr it will go un noticed as we have already been enjoying what we were enjoying in 2019.

I don't think any state intends to remain closed beyond 80% double dose, albeit not completely restriction free.

I admire your optimism with regard to what you think you'll be enjoying once the NSW International Border is open. I don't think anything major will occur quickly.

[SHVC]

It’s better than the pessimistic forecast yourself and others have! Like Sco said, Mo if not at 80% then when?! Can’t stay closed forever. All your lord daddy had to do was improve the health system, instead, all he wanted to do was throw Barbs and carry on same as the North witch. DP wants to rejoin the world and he has my vote for that.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by SHVC

It’s better than the pessimistic forecast yourself and others have! Like Sco said, Mo if not at 80% then when?! Can’t stay closed forever. All your lord daddy had to do was improve the health system, instead, all he wanted to do was throw Barbs and carry on same as the North witch. DP wants to rejoin the world and he has my vote for that.

I don't see it as pessimistic, certainly not intended that way, I'm a realist and say it like it is. Most people I know and speak to aren't interested in overseas travel any time soon. Most want back into cruising ships, can hardly wait, but then they say they there not biting at the bit to be the first. It's about how does all that translate into a practical sense.

[cloudsurfng]

Originally Posted by Xeptu

I don't think any state intends to remain closed beyond 80% double dose, albeit not completely restriction free.

I admire your optimism with regard to what you think you'll be enjoying once the NSW International Border is open. I don't think anything major will occur quickly.

the enjoyment will be the opportunity for overseas family to travel here, in my case to see family I haven’t seen for 4 years, who’ve missed the birth of both my children, and who have never met their grandkids. Something that the thousands of expats in WA, under the dictator McGowan, are unable to do. It’s not like it is a ‘return to normal’ but it’s certainly a big step in the right direction. Someone had to take the lead, NSW will be criticised by the other hypocritical premiers for not sticking to the national plan, who themselves have chucked the plan in the bin anyway. just look at the headless chickens in qld running around bumping in to each other. Bigger fools you won’t find.

[theheadmaster]

Victoria has announced that from midnight 19 October, fully vaccinated travellers from an orange zone will not need to quarantine. Fully vaccinated from red zone need negative test 72 hours prior to travel and another on arrival. No quarantine after negative test after arrival. This follows from Victorian health order that all airport workers (and I believe including overnighting crew) required to be vaccinated.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by cloudsurfng

the enjoyment will be the opportunity for overseas family to travel here, in my case to see family I haven’t seen for 4 years, who’ve missed the birth of both my children, and who have never met their grandkids. Something that the thousands of expats in WA, under the dictator McGowan, are unable to do. It’s not like it is a ‘return to normal’ but it’s certainly a big step in the right direction. Someone had to take the lead, NSW will be criticised by the other hypocritical premiers for not sticking to the national plan, who themselves have chucked the plan in the bin anyway. just look at the headless chickens in qld running around bumping in to each other. Bigger fools you won’t find.

I agree with you on visiting family, certainly domestically. I'm optimistic that all the states will be open for that by Christmas. the rollout is on track, but of course it can't be said officially that the borders will be open, in case something goes pear shaped. The down side is that there won't be a lot of notice when that happens.

[SHVC]

NSW will be open, open to international that’s all that matters to me. They won’t be opening and closing international like other states do domestically.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by SHVC

NSW will be open, open to international that’s all that matters to me. They won’t be opening and closing international like other states do domestically.

That's actually the Federal Governments call and what the remaining states do will largely impact upon that.

[rattman]

Originally Posted by Xeptu

That's actually the Federal Governments call and what the remaining states do will largely impact upon that.

yes and no they can say no quarantine, but ultimately its up to the feds. Not like they have any real choice about the decision. I would be surprised if it was announced without consultation. But 2UE are saying the announcment was

[SOPS]

Before you all get too excited….

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...04de20dc84b559

[Xeptu]

I'm not sure the Feds can open the International Borders to just one state. An overly enthusiastic new Premier perhaps.

[GaryGnu]

The Federal Government can decide who can cross the border into Australia and the conditions under which they do so. Sure the Feds could impose a quarantine requirement but then they would have to administer and deliver it. That is something they have shown no inclination to take on since March 2020.

NSW is getting out of the quarantine game for vaccinated arrivals from 01 November. Who is going to take over?

The moment an international traveller steps foot outside a terminal they will be free to do as they wish inside NSW.

The real question is how long the other states/territories will be able to justify their own quarantine requirements from now on.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by GaryGnu

The Federal Government can decide who can cross the border into Australia and the conditions under which they do so. Sure the Feds could impose a quarantine requirement but then they would have to administer and deliver it. That is something they have shown no inclination to take on since March 2020.

NSW is getting out of the quarantine game for vaccinated arrivals from 01 November. Who is going to take over?

The moment an international traveller steps foot outside a terminal they will be free to do as they wish inside NSW.

The real question is how long the other states/territories will be able to justify their own quarantine requirements from now on.

Not sure what you mean here, it contradicts itself. The Federal Government is unlikely to open the International Borders until all the States are ready and agree to do so.
In the case when one or two states are holding out, then the borders can still be open Nationally and any restrictions into any one state is on that state alone.

[CaptCloudbuster]

Brilliant political play by the NSW Premier. Will force Morrison to actually take responsibility and make a decision that will have personal Political consequences for him. Will Morrison decide to finally take up the Fed quarantine responsibility or decide to ban / allow unfettered double vaccinated inbound travel?

[GaryGnu]

Originally Posted by Xeptu

Not sure what you mean here, it contradicts itself. The Federal Government is unlikely to open the International Borders until all the States are ready and agree to do so.

Perhaps I am succumbing to my own optimism Xeptu. But equally, I cannot see how you can be so adamant about what the Feds will or will not do. Effectively, the NSW government is sending a signal to Canberra, and elsewhere, saying "we are ready, let 'em in". I for one hope that the Feds respond by saying "OK, here they come".

Originally Posted by Xeptu

In the case when one or two states are holding out, then the borders can still be open Nationally and any restrictions into any one state is on that state alone.

So what about the inverse situation where one state is ahead of the others and is prepared to accept the risk and reward of allowing travellers across the border?

[Icarus2001]

So what if ScoMo says the international border is now "open" with no quarantine reqquirement on arrival for vaccinated travellers.

Perth Airport is now open for business.

McGowan says no way. His authority ends at the airport boundary does it not? Federal land and all that, AFP jurisdiction not WAPOL.

Would be an interesting little exercise.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster

Brilliant political play by the NSW Premier. Will force Morrison to actually take responsibility and make a decision that will have personal Political consequences for him. Will Morrison decide to finally take up the Fed quarantine responsibility or decide to ban / allow unfettered double vaccinated inbound travel?

I understood there will be no quarantine for any double vaxxed inbound passengers anywhere. Only the unvaxxed, but then you can't come in anyway, it's a double vaxxed and a negative test prior to departure. Quarantine is federal anyway for International Inbound Passengers. I'm not sure about outbreaks and close contacts sent into quarantine, I think that's State.