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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 08:25
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Since they’re terrified of a virus that kills almost no one stands to reason they will be terrified of a vaccine that kills almost no one
And the more people throw flippant statements like that around, downplaying the aggressiveness of this virus, another group of the less educated jump in a truck, drive around Australia spreading it further, possibly paying for it with the death of their loved ones. I read these comments and I think Australia might be the lucky country, but its also the stupid country, no wonder the government gives us no choice.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 08:48
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Originally Posted by Aussie Bob View Post
From the ABC news web site today.
Two deaths in the last week and you blokes wonder why there is hesitancy in Australia?
And yet there are over 20 road deaths each week and there is no driving hesitancy.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:00
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Its quite simply the political beat up over it last year and the media sensationalising it. Otherwise average Joe wouldn't care at all, like most other vaccines and just get it done. Hence why a good public health program needs the media fully on side, so you can quell most of the attention seekers and headline grabbers.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:51
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
Its quite simply the political beat up over it last year and the media sensationalising it. Otherwise average Joe wouldn't care at all, like most other vaccines and just get it done. Hence why a good public health program needs the media fully on side, so you can quell most of the attention seekers and headline grabbers.
Speaking of last year. If you remember lockdown 1 and most of 2, the narrative and sole purpose of lockdowns was to bend the curve. I repeat bend the curve.
That came out of Sutton and Andrews every presser in March /April last year. We all know about hotel quarantine and tracing was in it's infancy. However they did
bend the curve according to WHO protocols. So if that narrative was still in play today, all borders would be open and contact tracing controlling cases under the say 30 mark.
However, all the health departments (the bureaucrats) decided to throw all that in the bin and go for suppression hence the anguish we have today.

Also some of us suggested back then, Why not isolate the elderly and vulnerable and keep the young ones working. That was without a vaccine at the time. Wuhan strain. Deadly
So I will ask that same question today, Why not isolate the elderly and vulnerable and keep the young ones working. Now 70% vaxed over 70yo protected . Delta strain. Not as Deadly.
But all comes back to that word suppression.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:43
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Originally Posted by mattyj View Post
Since they’re terrified of a virus that kills almost no one ...
Almost no one?
US 625,000+ dead
India 420,000 dead
Brazil 545,000+ dead
Mexico 237,000+ dead
UK 128,000+ dead
​​​​​​...

Originally Posted by Aussie Bob View Post
I will let Matty answer this for you :-)
They say misery loves company but it looks like folly travels in pairs.

Do you fellows share a bridge or do you deal with those pesky goats separately.

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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:57
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Also some of us suggested back then, Why not isolate the elderly and vulnerable and keep the young ones working. That was without a vaccine at the time. Wuhan strain. Deadly
So I will ask that same question today, Why not isolate the elderly and vulnerable and keep the young ones working. Now 70% vaxed over 70yo protected . Delta strain. Not as Deadly.
But all comes back to that word suppression.
The Andrews gov tried that coming out of the very first lockdown and were lulled into a warm fuzzy feeling by the federal gov that it would be easy to track and trace the virus and keep the community levels low. What they found was that this was not the case, the virus got loose in a school, and in the casual workforce due to the socio-economic locale of the breakout. Before you could blink it was in several aged care facilities that were still in complete lockdown and numbers swelled to 700 cases and deaths mounted, one of those aged care facilities was not more than 500 mtrs from me and 15 km from the nearest outbreak spot. I still have no idea how the virus got into that one. It was unnerving to see the area roped off and spacesuits walking around throwing out bedding and fittings into a giant plastic lined skip. Sydney was lucky as its breakout locations were easily contained back then. This is why Melbourne moved to suppression as it was clear you could not isolate vulnerable people within a community from the community, as the facilities require the community to operate. Also you then have the million plus Victorians over 50 and vulnerable who are not in care and definitely can not isolate from the community indefinitely.

This year the tables were turned, in a way, Melbourne had learned from harsh reality that they had to stomp on it early and hard, which has worked every-time since. Sydney tried to play politics in the last month rather than deal with it and is now paying the price.

If we had 80% vaccinations, no prob, non event, but its the opposite of that presently.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 12:38
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Also some of us suggested back then, Why not isolate the elderly and vulnerable and keep the young ones working. That was without a vaccine at the time. Wuhan strain. Deadly
So I will ask that same question today, Why not isolate the elderly and vulnerable and keep the young ones working. Now 70% vaxed over 70yo protected . Delta strain. Not as Deadly.
But all comes back to that word suppression.
Because 80% of our population want "zero community transmission" particularly while the vaccination rate is so low. when those two numbers come closer together then policy will be
re-assessed. Until then, we do it the way we're currently doing it. There is still plenty of room for improving the way we're doing it.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 12:46
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Originally Posted by Aussie Bob View Post
From the ABC news web site today.
Two deaths in the last week and you blokes wonder why there is hesitancy in Australia?
Because we are a bit irrational when it comes to assessing risk. This was a good article on it: https://www.smh.com.au/national/worr...20-p58beh.html
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 13:50
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
You guys keeping posting those numbers without ever including this statement on the exact same page:

FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.

You keeping repeating those figures but never include that statement. Every time you do someone sensible here points out that CDC statement, but you guys continue to post that rubbish again and again as if you’ve just made some incredible discovery the “brainwashed sheeple” aren’t aware of.

Can’t you see people on this page aren’t falling for this?
Using what is nothing more than a disclaimer on the VAERS website as support for your specious argument while ignoring the acknowledged fact of deaths with (or after having had) Covid 19 being counted as deaths from Covid 19 in this country and others, thereby inflating death tolls and adversely influencing public opinion, is hypocritical and disingenuous at best. At worst it is grossly misleading and potentially damaging to the ignorant who, amazingly, seem to find the basis for their beliefs in, of all places, this forum. Your skill is in cherry-picking factoids and assembling them in such a way as to imply authority and a veracity beyond question, to suit your own preferred perspective. Despite urging others to acknowledge some vague proposition of your own you won't acknowledge or clarify your true motivation for your attempts to convince the uncertain.

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And out of interest ( again ) can reluctant vaxers post as to whether they've lost their livelihoods in aviation due to COVID?
I suppose they can. If you're insisting that they do so, let's also ask that the "vaxers" also "post as to whether (or not) they've lost their livelihoods in aviation due to COVID19" vaccination? I know of several who have but doubt they're contributing on here.

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And here you post as self appointed Lord of the peanuts.
Condescending hypocrite.
My apologies, wong, obviously I hadn't thought of you, specifically, when I referred to the desperate, ignorant, occasionally rabid, knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers of the peanut gallery and am saddened to learn you consider yourself one of them. If it helps, I firmly doubt your knuckles truly drag.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 14:26
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What a valuable contribution Muttley, can you please post a link from a credible source where you verify these “facts”:

Originally Posted by Muttley Crew View Post
Using what is nothing more than a disclaimer on the VAERS website
while ignoring the acknowledged fact of deaths with (or after having had) Covid 19 being counted as deaths from Covid 19 in this country and others, thereby inflating death tolls and adversely influencing public opinion,

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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 22:09
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It’s curfew time Gladys.

The stories being put on talkback this morning the mind boggles. Home to Home transmission will be impossible to contain. Can they not go a few weeks of their lives without going to someone else’s house? Is it really that bloody hard?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 22:32
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
It’s curfew time Gladys.

The stories being put on talkback this morning the mind boggles. Home to Home transmission will be impossible to contain. Can they not go a few weeks of their lives without going to someone else’s house? Is it really that bloody hard?
Couldnt agree more,its not what i or anyone else wants but as you say 'is it really that bloody hard'.
The same can be said about groups of people exercising together at bondi,is it that bloody hard to exercise alone or if with someone to stay a couple of metres apart?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 22:48
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You can’t exercise with a coffee in hand. Bondi are treating it as a joke.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:08
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
You can’t exercise with a coffee in hand...
Walk, talk, drink coffee. Perfect way to get in some exercise.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:10
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Just out of interest, to the pilot group, hard wired for contingency. How many have a bugout plan in the event of a breakout strain that turns out to be fatal, vaccinated or not.
That's a pre-planned course of action and the trigger, not what you're going to do on the day when the news breaks.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:16
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
Just out of interest, to the pilot group, hard wired for contingency. How many have a bugout plan in the event of a breakout strain that turns out to be fatal, vaccinated or not.
That's a pre-planned course of action and the trigger, not what you're going to do on the day when the news breaks.
Bugout of what? Aviation? Society? There’s shit loads of stuff that can kill us including life itself. What are you afraid of?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:19
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well we need something to spice up the thread abit. It's got boring with the same old crap, Time for some new crap.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:19
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
Just out of interest, to the pilot group, hard wired for contingency. How many have a bugout plan in the event of a breakout strain that turns out to be fatal, vaccinated or not.
That's a pre-planned course of action and the trigger, not what you're going to do on the day when the news breaks.
My survival template for Martian invasion should hold up for this scenario.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:21
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
Just out of interest, to the pilot group, hard wired for contingency. How many have a bugout plan in the event of a breakout strain that turns out to be fatal, vaccinated or not.
That's a pre-planned course of action and the trigger, not what you're going to do on the day when the news breaks.
My plan? Wait for another vaccine!
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:22
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
My plan? Wait for another vaccine!
Seems like the Aussie way nowadays is to cower, hide, and wait for someone else to do something! :-)
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