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Old 20th Apr 2021, 06:52
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And still delaying quarantine

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/sc...t-to-hong-kong
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Qwark
Lets hope the WHO win their “idealogical game”
Why? Do you want people to be able to travel here without proof of vaccination?
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 00:19
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
Why? Do you want people to be able to travel here without proof of vaccination?
Yes I do!! I want to travel to Australia as an Australian citizen who has the freedom to choose to receive a vaccination or not!!
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 01:04
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Originally Posted by Qwark
Yes I do!! I want to travel to Australia as an Australian citizen who has the freedom to choose to receive a vaccination or not!!
You're probably going to be disappointed. Proof of vaccination will be required for entry of non-citizens for most western countries. For citizens such as yourself, you will probably have to come home via the 14 day quarantine process. $3500 is an expensive cost to pushback on a vaccine but then again anti-vaxxers are not logical people anyway.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 01:51
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I really wish they’d hurry up and announce some kind of vaccination carrot in this country. Start announcing some privileges for the vaccinated that will come in to effect once the vulnerable populous has been vaccinated. Home quarantine until a negative test received for example instead of hotel quarantine.

I realise a lot of people want to get vaccinated but can’t at the moment, but the over 50s showing hesitancy could use a bit of motivating.

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Old 21st Apr 2021, 02:37
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Swift kick up the arse should motivate. Vaccination proof is not new. Maybe the kids don't know about small pox, cholera, typhoid, yellow fever vaccinations and the yellow vaccination card without which international travel could not happen.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 02:50
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The problem is how to verify those certificates. As an example from the BBC "about 100 people are trying to enter England each day with a fake negative Covid certificate. Lucy Moreton, of the Immigration Services Union, which represents UK border and customs staff, told the All Party Parliamentary group on coronavirus that the documents are "very easy" to forge." Asked how many fakes could be slipping through the net, Ms Moreton said it is "inherently unknowable", adding that a lot of border and quarantine controls are based on "trust".

Also not all vaccines are created equal - just look at Chile. Which ones do we accept - which ones do we not?
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 08:28
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Also not all vaccines are created equal - just look at Chile. Which ones do we accept - which ones do we not?
If WE are all vaccinated, I don’t think it matters.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 08:36
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Victoria funding pfizer manufacturing in oz
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 09:46
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It still amazes me the number of people lining up to get a vaccine that is approved for emergency use only. No long term effects are known about any of these vaccines. Nobody cares. Just listen to the politicians dangling the travel carrot promising no quarantine to the next bubble....Singapore.. Japan....here we come.

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Old 21st Apr 2021, 09:56
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Originally Posted by halfmoon
It still amazes me the number of people lining up to get a vaccine that is approved for emergency use only. No long term effects are known about any of these vaccines. Nobody cares. Just listen to the politicians dangling the travel carrot promising no quarantine to the next bubble....Singapore.. Japan....here we come.
The vaccines in use in this country are not emergency approved.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 10:12
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Originally Posted by halfmoon
It still amazes me the number of people lining up to get a vaccine that is approved for emergency use only. No long term effects are known about any of these vaccines. Nobody cares. Just listen to the politicians dangling the travel carrot promising no quarantine to the next bubble....Singapore.. Japan....here we come.
The vaccines are fully approved.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 10:58
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Don’t use facts with anti vaxxers, you have better things to do with your life.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 16:00
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
The vaccines are fully approved.
Yeah...but its the same vaccine used in other countries. No long term or even short term studies beyond 3 months. And you really believe it's gone through the full approval. Just saying people need to be aware there may be long-term health effects.
Im no anti-vaccer. I've had vaccines in the past that were actually tested and I'm confident in.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 19:47
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Originally Posted by halfmoon
Yeah...but its the same vaccine used in other countries. No long term or even short term studies beyond 3 months. And you really believe it's gone through the full approval. Just saying people need to be aware there may be long-term health effects.
Im no anti-vaccer. I've had vaccines in the past that were actually tested and I'm confident in.

Polio vaccine developed 1953, widespread use in 1955. So over 60 years ago 2 years was long enough to develop a vaccine. But now with all the new technology at hand 1 year isn't enough?


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Old 21st Apr 2021, 19:53
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Many governments have been openly skeptical about the Russian and Chinese COVID vaccines, so how does that play with a "Vax Passport" plan and the many nations using them? The testing data is kept secret.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...nes-/100026036
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 21:52
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Originally Posted by Bend alot
Many governments have been openly skeptical about the Russian and Chinese COVID vaccines, so how does that play with a "Vax Passport" plan and the many nations using them? The testing data is kept secret.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...nes-/100026036
Maybe you have to receive an approved vaccine to get one?
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 00:52
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Originally Posted by Climb150
Polio vaccine developed 1953, widespread use in 1955. So over 60 years ago 2 years was long enough to develop a vaccine. But now with all the new technology at hand 1 year isn't enough?
To me, no it isn't.

The KRviatrix and I are both fully immunised so much as can be, as are the rugrats, however, we both have reservations about the speed with which these vaccines have been developed, "approved" and rolled out. They may ultimately be proven to be unfounded reservations, but to me, it seems like we are grasping at anything that will get us back to pre-covid times and to hell with the long-term risks. There was no suggestion of blood clots with the AZ vaccine until Norway & Denmark stopped administering it. What other hidden gems might appear down the track? I accept the risk of contracting Covid and manage that risk myself, rather than having it managed for me by companies & governments with a pecuniary interest in having me get the vaccination.

History is littered with examples of "It seemed like a good idea at the time!"
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 00:56
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You may have your conviction tested.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....21-p57l37.html

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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 01:29
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Originally Posted by KRviator
To me, no it isn't.

The KRviatrix and I are both fully immunised so much as can be, as are the rugrats, however, we both have reservations about the speed with which these vaccines have been developed, "approved" and rolled out. They may ultimately be proven to be unfounded reservations, but to me, it seems like we are grasping at anything that will get us back to pre-covid times and to hell with the long-term risks. There was no suggestion of blood clots with the AZ vaccine until Norway & Denmark stopped administering it. What other hidden gems might appear down the track? I accept the risk of contracting Covid and manage that risk myself, rather than having it managed for me by companies & governments with a pecuniary interest in having me get the vaccination.

History is littered with examples of "It seemed like a good idea at the time!"
We administer drugs and vaccines all the time that have risks attached to them, much higher than these new vaccines. The contraceptive pill for example, a ****load higher risk of developing blood clots than the AZ vaccine.

People need some perspective and trust in the medical science that has got us this far in history.

The fear and scepticism of these Covid vaccines is largely media driven.
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