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Old 20th Jan 2021, 20:40
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/i...azilian-amazon

Its killing younger people. Still want to open the borders dickheads?
you’ll be fine with your $1000 cash in your bumbag and all ya numpty.
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Old 20th Jan 2021, 21:34
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The single biggest current threat to that position is for some virulent, ****-brained expeditioner to fly in and head straight to a night out at six of our (open, and unrestricted) night-spots.
Why would someone want to go to ALL of WA's night spots?
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Old 20th Jan 2021, 22:04
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
Why would someone want to go to ALL of WA's night spots?
Very drole. But the answer is obvious.................primarily because they're ****e-brains from the eastern states, and we don't have hundreds and hundreds of leagues clubs to go to.
And our bowling clubs (not bowlos, never bowlos) are not staffed with sufficient drag queens to keep the ****e-brains happy..
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Old 20th Jan 2021, 22:43
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
....and we don't have hundreds and hundreds of leagues clubs go to.
That explains the angst....Frustration!

And our bowling clubs (not bowlos, never bowlos) are not staffed with sufficient drag queens to keep the ****e-brains happy..
Then you need to employ more! Keep that vibrant economy bustling along! If you don't have a choice of leagues clubs, at least get the bowling clubs up to scratch!
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 01:33
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Gladys today has reportedly said she wants Pacific / NZ bubble to start......not sure if she got the memo that its actually her state holding up proceedings.....and that they have their own governments that make those decisions, oh wait NZ has a labour gov....
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 01:49
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Originally Posted by jrfsp
Well indeed, i dont think the 787-8s would have great re sale value either, only option would be to transfer to QF to replace 330s on lease, but even that wouldn't be a cheap option, and on short - medium routes the A330s are actually able to hold their own fuel wise and would probably have less capacity than the 332s
78s are all heading to the Alice. Starting this week I believe, unless engine tests disagree.

Airshow is November, can’t sit down at the farm forever. However remains to be seen how much foreign stuff even comes down this year.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 01:59
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Originally Posted by jrfsp
Gladys today has reportedly said she wants Pacific / NZ bubble to start......not sure if she got the memo that its actually her state holding up proceedings..
How is NSW holding this up?
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 02:08
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This thread needs to be renamed “all borders to remain closed”
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 02:16
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Originally Posted by michigan j
How is NSW holding this up?
Because of the recent cases of community transmission. There will be no bubbles until we have a sustained period of no community transmission.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 02:24
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
With the WA election getting momentum, WAxit party is gaining a little momentum. Do WA residents think this would be a good thing and would vote for CP old throw a ways?
No, it’s a micro party being given some media coverage, not momentum. They’ll have as much as a contribution to Australian Politics as the Motoring Enthusiasts Party.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 02:27
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If you were in Greater Sydney (which typically includes Wollongong, the Central Coast and the Blue Mountains) any time on or after December 21, you cannot enter the ACT, South Australia, Western Australia or Victoria. You are also banned from Queensland, but only if you were in the Greater Sydney hotspot during the previous 14 days.

Tasmania, meanwhile, rates Sydney and Wollongong only as “medium risk”, so people who have visited these areas can enter the island state but must quarantine for 14 days. Tasmania has no restrictions on arrivals from the Central Coast or Blue Mountains.

Victorians can still travel to NSW, the ACT, the Northern Territory, SA and Queensland, but not WA.

Queensland has asked everyone who has recently been in Victoria to get tested, and barred them from visiting health facilities and aged-care or disability homes.

Tasmania allows anyone in from Victoria unless they have visited particular high-risk venues (although when I checked, Victoria’s own list of “close contact” exposure sites was more up-to-date).
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 03:14
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Don't forget SA, by their accord SY is still running rampart with he virus, earliest they expect to consider opening is Feb 2nd.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 03:18
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Originally Posted by jrfsp
Because of the recent cases of community transmission. There will be no bubbles until we have a sustained period of no community transmission.
Then you can pretty much forget about it at least until the vaccination program’s complete, because as long as we have people coming into the country from COVID-ridden places elsewhere, there will be occasional outbreaks into the community.

I wonder what happened to the original aim of ‘suppression’, which seems to have been arbitrarily changed to ‘elimination’ by some?
What’s the point of a federally-agreed definition of a hotspot, if the states just impose their own definitions, seemingly at random?
Why have a closed border between two places that both have very low rates of infection? It just means the low risk of transmission is on one side of an invisible line on the ground and not the other - doesn’t reduce the overall risk to the Australian population, which is what this should really be about, rather than making individual state governments look good.

I’m all for lockdowns &/or border closures where they make sense, but can’t see how some of what’s going on really helps in the big scheme of things.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 03:26
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard
Then you can pretty much forget about it at least until the vaccination program’s complete, because as long as we have people coming into the country from COVID-ridden places elsewhere, there will be occasional outbreaks into the community.

I wonder what happened to the original aim of ‘suppression’, which seems to have been arbitrarily changed to ‘elimination’ by some?
What’s the point of a federally-agreed definition of a hotspot, if the states just impose their own definitions, seemingly at random?
Why have a closed border between two places that both have very low rates of infection? It just means the low risk of transmission is on one side of an invisible line on the ground and not the other - doesn’t reduce the overall risk to the Australian population, which is what this should really be about, rather than making individual state governments look good.

I’m all for lockdowns &/or border closures where they make sense, but can’t see how some of what’s going on really helps in the big scheme of things.
My point is, we cant lecture to other counties about a bubble when they have chosen elimination and we have chosen suppression. And by elimination i'm talking about community elimination. NZ has the same HQ system but seems to have far less issues with outbreaks.... albeit far less people are moving through their system

And it seems (rightly or wrongly) that the general public is on board with the idea of no community transmission (state election results)
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 03:52
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Elimination is never going to happen, unless that TV advert of the huge border walls across state is going to happen. It is so endemic in the population globally already.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 03:58
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Originally Posted by wheels_down
I guess it’s a more an issue with, they own these 788s and they can’t sell them for what they want. Was window before all this started to offload 3.

Norwegian has blown that plan by flooding the market with them.

However they might need them now to borrow against them.
There is a very limited SLB market for widebodies right now (there was before the pandemic), so airlines are going to in for an awakening to find out what they’re going to go for.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 05:31
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Gladys today has reportedly said she wants Pacific / NZ bubble to start......not sure if she got the memo that its actually her state holding up proceedings.....and that they have their own governments that make those decisions, oh wait NZ has a labour gov....
Let's just forget that the vast majority on NZers do NOT want an open border for some considerable time. I, for one, would be happier if we had no arrivals whatsoever.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 05:57
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It crazy how divisive the population is on this, one mob wants to live under a rock for the next few yrs because they’re so scared and most likely believe every little media beat up they read. The others just want to continue to live (that’s me) in a modified way as normal as possible to 2019.

Aus and NZ will be vaccinated by yrs end do NZ still not want anyone in their country? It has to end at some point and we continue to live. All well and good to not be affected by this now, but there are 100s of 1000s ppl that are what do they do for employment or to see their family etc!

UK have been vaccinating since December is it to early to tell if it is working or not? Italy want it so bad they’re looking at suing Pfizer due to not giving it to them.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 06:01
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Let's just forget that the vast majority on NZers do NOT want an open border for some considerable time. I, for one, would be happier if we had no arrivals whatsoever.
I guess u are a kiwi?
I can understand your feelings about arrivals,we in victoria had a very hard time after the virus went rampant after the govt stuffed up(i dont dispute their f up for 1 moment) however they have turned it around & its because we followed the rules.
Most of us living in vic are i would say very fearful of a 3rd wave & that is why rightly or wrongly we dont look favourably on arrivals or borders being left open when risks are possible.
I know many will disagree with these sentiments & many will think we are fools believing govt spin however we do not have a lot of choice & right now we love our freedom.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 06:13
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Originally Posted by Ragnor

UK have been vaccinating since December is it to early to tell if it is working or not?
An article on the early results here

Israel has had the most vaccinated, after two weeks the immunised population has had a 1/3rd decline in infections compared to the non immunised group. The effect of the vaccine on lowering infection rates will become stronger after the second dose.

The effect of the vaccine on reducing serious illness, death and the strain on the health system in Israel, which is the real purpose of the vaccine, should start to be seen by the end of the week according to the article. If the trial results are replicated in real life then it should have a significant effect.
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