Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

All borders to reopen.

Old 19th Jun 2021, 07:44
  #5161 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NQLD
Age: 38
Posts: 281
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
The risk here is probably different compared to previous outbreaks as the Delta is ripping across the UK doubling cases every 10 days, as they re commence the upward trend on the graphs again.

If people walk past each other in stores and pickup the Delta which is what went on in Myer here, then it will be seeding all over the city. We won’t really know for another week or two.

Masks indoors will prevent much of that. Delta is a prick of thing to contain once seeding commences.
Its not just about cases in the UK. Unlike Aus, they’ve actually vaccinated a large number of their population.

This means the cases can rise, BUT the hospitalisation rate now becomes the key figure. If their health system can cope because the numbers in hospital is dramatically lower, no need for another lockdown.

Stop stressing about the “cases” and look at home many are actually in hospital.


Picking the last day data is available for both (June 14th). Versus a random day in May:

Daily hospitalisations:
May 8th - 109
June 14th - 221 (a 202% increase)

Daily COVID cases:
May 8th - 1986
June 14th - 7742 (a 390% increase)

Both of these figures are coming off a low base, HOWEVER….

It’s still clear that the high number of vaccinated people in the UK is making a big difference. Plenty of evidence from Israel that vaccines work in reducing the severity of COVID as well.



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
Hospitalisations in the UK.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Current daily cases.

Last edited by aviation_enthus; 19th Jun 2021 at 08:03.
aviation_enthus is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 07:54
  #5162 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Oz
Age: 68
Posts: 1,913
Received 296 Likes on 125 Posts
I get that, and the point I was making is we are two different worlds. In these places that are approaching herd immunity, Delta can rip across and lockdowns or restrictions are not needed. Huge positive that the vaccine still prevents people with the Delta getting very sick. Unfortunately we don’t have that luxury.

We are a vulnerable country for what will probably be the next few quarters, Delta can rip across our land and cause all sorts of problems.
PoppaJo is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 09:51
  #5163 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 450
Received 46 Likes on 15 Posts
[size=13px]Penny pinching over a vaccine. If you’re in aviation and voted for these muppets than you get what you deserve I guess. “But..but.. Labor!!”. Yeah sure, they’re a pain in the arse managing the state borders but I bet we wouldn’t be where we are now if they were in control of the vaccine supply. Mainly due to them doing what half of you usually whinge about; spending money.[/size]

“Three sources told Swan that the Federal Government sent an inexperienced procurement officer to the meeting who “started nickel and diming on the costs”.

Pfizer had allegedly wanted to make an example out of Australia about how to properly conduct a vaccine rollout, similarly to how Israeli handled theirs. Instead, the Federal Government came back in November 2020 and ordered only 10 million doses of Pfizer.”


https://www.michaelwest.com.au/gover...-in-july-2020/
Fonz121 is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 09:51
  #5164 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NQLD
Age: 38
Posts: 281
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
I get that, and the point I was making is we are two different worlds. In these places that are approaching herd immunity, Delta can rip across and lockdowns or restrictions are not needed. Huge positive that the vaccine still prevents people with the Delta getting very sick. Unfortunately we don’t have that luxury.

We are a vulnerable country for what will probably be the next few quarters, Delta can rip across our land and cause all sorts of problems.
You are spot on!!!

All this talk of travel bubbles and foreign students coming in just a distraction from the fact the vaccine rollout is to slow.

Oh but it’s “not a race”…….. 🤬🤮🤦‍♂️
aviation_enthus is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 12:59
  #5165 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Not at work
Posts: 1,583
Received 96 Likes on 37 Posts
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
I get that, and the point I was making is we are two different worlds. In these places that are approaching herd immunity, Delta can rip across and lockdowns or restrictions are not needed. Huge positive that the vaccine still prevents people with the Delta getting very sick. Unfortunately we don’t have that luxury.

We are a vulnerable country for what will probably be the next few quarters, Delta can rip across our land and cause all sorts of problems.
Try making a post without using “rip” or “ripping”. It’s that sort of sensationalism that we don’t need, and is extremely unhelpful. Unfortunately the media fuels the fire every day with such nonsense.

We are quickly becoming a very scared little irrelevant country that has been backed into a corner by poor leadership and decision making.
Transition Layer is online now  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 14:09
  #5166 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NQLD
Age: 38
Posts: 281
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Transition Layer
We are quickly becoming a very scared little irrelevant country that has been backed into a corner by poor leadership and decision making.
Quickly?

I think if we’re honest with ourselves, this process has been in motion since Rudd was knifed the first time.

Not commenting on Labor/Rudd per se, but since then both parties have been playing the same games and the result is the “best” government we can get…

Australia needs a reform program and a way forward that weans us off relying on high rates of immigration to hide our lack of progress.
aviation_enthus is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 21:22
  #5167 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: HKG
Posts: 399
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Good point enthus
Green.Dot is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 21:51
  #5168 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: back to the land of small pay and big bills
Age: 50
Posts: 1,218
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
“Rip”, “ripping”,“delta strain”,“cases”….. spare me, do you work for the ABC or something

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60

Last edited by mattyj; 20th Jun 2021 at 13:01.
mattyj is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 22:34
  #5169 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: NT
Posts: 227
Received 23 Likes on 9 Posts
Originally Posted by mattyj
“Rip” “ripping” “delta strain” “cases”…spare me, do you work for the ABC or something

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60
Ridiculous and misleading statement. You’re <60 includes all ages, including children who are overwhelmingly fine.
a 59 year old?? Absolutely not
chookcooker is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 22:59
  #5170 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Elsewhere
Posts: 617
Received 76 Likes on 31 Posts
Originally Posted by mattyj

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60
Is this what they call ‘unconscious irony’? Bloody funny, whatever it is.
itsnotthatbloodyhard is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 23:10
  #5171 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Sydney
Posts: 670
Received 157 Likes on 64 Posts
Originally Posted by mattyj
“Rip” “ripping” “delta strain” “cases”…spare me, do you work for the ABC or something

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60
Hopefully you don't get your news from Sky News. They're too busy saying sorry for spouting blatant lies.
Ladloy is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 23:11
  #5172 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: back to the land of small pay and big bills
Age: 50
Posts: 1,218
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...cine/100222464
mattyj is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 23:35
  #5173 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Elsewhere
Posts: 617
Received 76 Likes on 31 Posts
You do understand that ‘only recommended for over 60s’ is not the same as ‘more dangerous than Covid for under 60s’?
itsnotthatbloodyhard is offline  
Old 19th Jun 2021, 23:38
  #5174 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Oz
Age: 68
Posts: 1,913
Received 296 Likes on 125 Posts
Originally Posted by mattyj
“Rip” “ripping” “delta strain” “cases”…spare me, do you work for the ABC or something

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60
Ripping: move forcefully and rapidly.

Apologies to the snowflakes who get upset at such language.



PoppaJo is offline  
Old 20th Jun 2021, 01:24
  #5175 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: HKG
Posts: 399
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well more pain for airlines over the school holidays with cases popping up everywhere but on the positive side this will do wonders for vaccination uptake across the country. (Hopefully).
Green.Dot is offline  
Old 20th Jun 2021, 01:34
  #5176 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: BBN
Posts: 1,017
Received 106 Likes on 52 Posts
Always happens around school holidays for some reason.
SHVC is offline  
Old 20th Jun 2021, 01:44
  #5177 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 450
Received 46 Likes on 15 Posts
Originally Posted by Green.Dot
Well more pain for airlines over the school holidays with cases popping up everywhere but on the positive side this will do wonders for vaccination uptake across the country. (Hopefully).

I’d agree except there are no vaccines.
Fonz121 is offline  
Old 20th Jun 2021, 01:45
  #5178 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Somewhere on the Australian Coast
Posts: 1,103
Received 208 Likes on 44 Posts
Originally Posted by Green.Dot
Well more pain for airlines over the school holidays with cases popping up everywhere but on the positive side this will do wonders for vaccination uptake across the country. (Hopefully).
It will nothing for vaccine uptake for the next few months as Australia simply doesn’t have enough doses of the only vaccine currently approved for under 60s (Pfizer) and won’t have for some time.
DirectAnywhere is offline  
Old 20th Jun 2021, 02:37
  #5179 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Gafa
Posts: 200
Received 10 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
It will nothing for vaccine uptake for the next few months as Australia simply doesn’t have enough doses of the only vaccine currently approved for under 60s (Pfizer) and won’t have for some time.
As a 30yo I booked a vaccine slot at the start of the month with less than a weeks notice at a major vaccination center with the second jab locked in prior to the end of the month. Took me all of two minutes.
Maggie Island is offline  
Old 20th Jun 2021, 02:42
  #5180 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 450
Received 46 Likes on 15 Posts
From an Age article a few days ago:”Vaccination walk-ins were halted on Monday with people told to wait until the end of the week as the state government cut the number of Victorians able to get the Pfizer jab as part of the state’s vaccine rollout.

Almost three weeks after the state’s rollout of the Pfizer vaccine was extended to 40 to 49-year-olds, supply caps meant people were unable to make phone bookings for their first dose and those who walked up to mass vaccination hubs were turned away.”
Fonz121 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.