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Old 14th Jan 2021, 21:56
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So, of those 9 you've just quoted, 4 arrived from overseas with the Pestilence, three caught it from one of those 4 arrivals, leaving just two cases that look to be a function of 'community transmission'. I'd be really interested to know just how many "unknown" or genuine community cases WA has really had overall, compared to the other states.

McGoose has not had to deal with an outbreak of unknown source, as has SA, Qld or NSW, and he is riding high on his ability to do two things. 1 - fail to take in WA's fair share of international arrivals early in the piece, instead, leaving it to the likes of NSW & Victoria to handle the majority of international travellers returning to Australia, which essentially means his "0" number is built on a lie and, 2 - his knee-jerk reaction to any outbreak nationwide by closing the borders to keep his treasured "0" number, notwithstanding WA has testified (in open court, remember) that their health system can handle 5,000 active cases of COVID in the community at any one time.

If it can handle that many cases, then why close the border? Why deny 23,000,000 citizens their right to travel to WA if they so choose? The answer to that is simple. IT is no longer about COVID so much as it is about his chances of re-election. WA has staked their entire COVID response on, essentially, thumbing their nose at everyone else, with little real preparedness or meaningful attempt at a common way of dealing with it and ScoMo lacks the balls to call him out on it.

I'm sure NSW could replicate WA's achievement of "no cases for 8 months" if Gladys restricted international arrivals through Sydney from the nominal 2,450 per week to "only" 500 per week like Perth did. OR maybe they could be like Tasmania, and take zero international arrivals, instead, relying on the goodwill of other states to carry the entire risk of an outbreak, and then close our borders to travelers from those states anyway?
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 22:11
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
I'm sure NSW could replicate WA's achievement of "no cases for 8 months" if Gladys restricted international arrivals through Sydney from the nominal 2,450 per week to "only" 500 per week like Perth did. OR maybe they could be like Tasmania, and take zero international arrivals, instead, relying on the goodwill of other states to carry the entire risk of an outbreak, and then close our borders to travelers from those states anyway?
Selective ignorance.

It has been documented here on several occasions that since last September, on a per capita basis, WA has taken (slightly) more returnees than any other state.
That remains correct even now after the recent reductions to 2450 and 512 respectively.

For those who think (sic - presumes capability to think) that W.A. has not had cases of unknown origin please take the time to check here WA Covid statistics
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 22:17
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Per capita basis on taking citizens has zero relevance, if we are to be going down this route WA should be taking double the amount of any state as they have more per square meter space available for internationals to quarantine.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 22:21
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
Per capita basis on taking citizens has zero relevance, if we are to be going down this route WA should be taking double the amount of any state as they have more per square meter space available for internationals to quarantine.
Is that the best you can come up with?
Per capita reflects proportional capability to manage arrivals, quarantine, enforcement, hospitals, etc.

Pls refer "Capability to think" in my previous post.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 01:01
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I would have actually thought it should be proportionate to the amount of people actually living in that state...or as a proportion of pre covid intl arrivals.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 01:15
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Plus we had to deal with Artania and Magnifica and freight ships with covid positive members. I haven't heard anyone here in WA complain about how McGowan has handled things. Compared to the debacles in some of the other states we have done pretty well, but yes there is an element of luck in that the ones that have escaped from quarantine haven't been positive.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 02:45
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop View Post
I haven't heard anyone here in WA complain about how McGowan has handled things. Compared to the debacles in some of the other states we have done pretty well, but yes there is an element of luck in that the ones that have escaped from quarantine haven't been positive.
The people who reside in safe Labor seats aren't complaining. However plenty of farmers aren't happy as they can't get staff for harvest. Hospitality will be next cab off the rank. If it goes on long enough it will spread to mining. There is an article today in the AFR about a Pub who can't get a chef because of the border arrangements. As a result the Pub now has reduced hours. That cost the owner money.

Eventually the people in the safe Labor electorates will start complaining when they have to pay Rockpool prices at their local Pub and the plumber cost $1000 to change a few washes. However by the time this occurs McGowan will be safely into his second term, so he doesn't care.

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Old 15th Jan 2021, 03:06
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leaving it to the likes of NSW & Victoria to handle the majority of international travellers
To be fair, SYD and MEL were the two busiest International ports. When flying pretty much stopped, those few airlines left flying were still pretty much SYD and MEL usual carriers. BNE's problem was the business is all Pacific island, or hubbed through SIN, HKG or the middle east, and all those places locked down tight. You couldn't transit through them, so you couldn't get to BNE. China stopped. If it hadn't been for QR and Doha, BNE would have had no international business at all. For a while there, it was the only thing flying. Sure there's been the odd adhoc repat, but not many. Aviation policy in this country is SYD-centric anyway. It's probably the only airport most of the pollies could think of.
I also think NSW didn't have mandatory quarantine for domestic arrivals from interstate? This was what brought the Intl Pax cap on for arrivals into BNE, because the hotel supply was filled up with interstate detainees as a priority, with intls getting what was left.
Once domestic quarantine eased, many BNE (and other areas) hotels said they did not want quarantine pax back, as they were busier with intrastate tourism, and didn't want the hassles, issues , and restrictions that quarantine brought. They were happy to take the business when it was the only business, but they don't need or want it now.

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Old 15th Jan 2021, 03:26
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What I would like to know is, how is it possible that there are about 18000 Victorians locked out of their own home State, but Tennis Australia can bring in 1200 players and hangers on for a stupid game?

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Old 15th Jan 2021, 03:43
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What I would like to know is, how is it possible that there are about 18000 Victorians locked out of their own home State, but Tennis Australia can bring in 1200 payers and hangers on for a stupid game?
Because some of us are more equal than others. Get used to that ideal under the current State Government. It's all about them controlling people's lives, that's how totalitarians think.
Alan Joyce is getting fired up over the issue too.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 04:16
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The tennis players are here because of a long standing agreement and three months of very detailed planning (I was advised by someone who has a part in it) and a comprehensive organisational plan. When each Victorian can provide the same undertakings and level of detail, they can get special treatment too.

Having said that, I'm not certain that the tennis crew will abide by the undertakings.

Some of you still don't understand that this is a dynamic situation that changes hour by hour. Of course its not fair, life isn't fair. If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time you will cop it.

The moral of the story is don't travel unless you have to, have backup plans, listen to the news hourly and be prepared to move fast.

As an example, I was told last night about someones kids with grandkids on a beach holiday in Queensland or NSW, not sure which, their parents literally threw everything into the car, grabbed their kids off the beach, not even stopping to change them out of their sandy wet bathers, and made it back across the Victorian border just in time.

I am also aware of various mine workers who claim to have driven parts of the Newell at 180 KMH to beat border closure deadlines. They are now "Locked in" at their mines apparently for another month because the company wont accept FIFO workers from BNE or SYD.

Stamping your little foot and crying "its not fair" is not a useful response to the pandemic. Another covid mutation has happened in Brazil and Europe (Britain?) has just banned all travellers from South America as a result.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 04:36
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China is building a massive quarantine centre of 33ha.....yet here we are with CBD hotels.....i wonder how many outbreaks we'll have this year, particularly if it is spread through AC systems....Howard springs type arrangements seem the way to go.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 04:55
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
............However plenty of farmers aren't happy as they can't get DIRT CHEAP staff for harvest..
There. I fixed that bit for you.
But hey........lack of backpackers? Isn't that under Federal Government control?
And wouldn't they just be displacing returning Australian from flights ? And jobs?

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Eventually the people in the safe Labor electorates will start complaining when they have to pay Rockpool prices at their local Pub and the plumber cost $1000 to change a few washes.
A bit late with that one mate. That happened years ago.
And with the West Australian economy booming the price of lager is not high on anyone's list of concerns.

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Old 15th Jan 2021, 05:06
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Originally Posted by jrfsp View Post
China is building a massive quarantine centre of 33ha.....yet here we are with CBD hotels.....i wonder how many outbreaks we'll have this year, particularly if it is spread through AC systems....Howard springs type arrangements seem the way to go.
I agree. That's why I suggested Curtin or Learmonth some several posts back.
Reported yesterday that McGowan is pushing the same idea.

China is fortunate in having those re-education camps out west in Xinjiang on which to model their quarantine facility.
And if China needs 33 ha then, Oz will need just 1/2 ha. (Scale it)


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Old 15th Jan 2021, 05:13
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Who in Australia gives a toss what China is or isn’t doing. They released this bio weapon on us and bleat and complain when we call them on it. No more coal wine iron ore food for you China, at least from OZ.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 05:19
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Originally Posted by zanthrus View Post
Who in Australia gives a toss what China is or isn’t doing. They released this bio weapon on us and bleat and complain when we call them on it. No more coal wine iron ore food for you China, at least from OZ.
Well considering they are our largest trading partner...largest export market, largest intl student demographic, largest intl tourist market by number and by $ spend, etc etc......id say pretty damn important
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 05:55
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All these COVID scared pilots on this thread, studying the virus to the enth degree and becoming some sort of mini super guru’s in the field of viruses. It’s not the virus that has crashed the global economy, it’s the stupid politicians that have killed off the economy, tourism and everything else. Grow a set, get on with life, deal with it don’t let it be the only obsession you have. It is one of many viruses that kills people annually. They panicked, they’ve created a monster (shutting down the world over and over) and now they cant undo the monster.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 06:05
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So closing off the borders cost $3bn across Australia from lost tourism over Christmas. How much does that equate per case?

Another question for the border extremists wanting to banish people to Christmas Island... a big proportion of the western world is vaccinated with the Pfizer, Moderna or AZ vaccine (I mention these by name as I see Australian politicians are citing supposed “problems” with AZ). All vulnerable people are vaccinated. In six months a big proportion of Australia has “herd immunity”. There are however background transmissions without hospitalisation.

What is the danger to the Australian public? Or is this 1 case and you’re out policy going to continue forever and ever?
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 06:56
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Because some of us are more equal than others. Get used to that ideal under the current State Government. It's all about them controlling people's lives, that's how totalitarians think.
Alan Joyce is getting fired up over the issue too.
If alan joyce thinks he knows so much why doesnt he advise the irish govt on how to control the cases over there!
Was over 8000 in 1 day early this week & currently around 4000.
Im sick of people like him with no medical qualifications trying to impress his money orientated views.
He needs to butt out of things he doesnt know f all about.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 07:19
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
a big proportion of the western world is vaccinated with the Pfizer, Moderna or AZ vaccine (I mention these by name as I see Australian politicians are citing supposed “problems” with AZ). All vulnerable people are vaccinated. In six months a big proportion of Australia has “herd immunity”. There are however background transmissions without hospitalisation.

What is the danger to the Australian public? Or is this 1 case and you’re out policy going to continue forever and ever?
No scientist or medical expert has ever said the goal of the immunisation program is 100% eradication of the virus from existence everywhere on the planet.

The goal is to stop the pandemic. Not stop a virus. To prevent most cases of severe disease amongst vulnerable populations, to stop health system overload, to prevent mass death.

The reason why people are concerned about low numbers of cases now is the population and especially vulnerable groups are not immunised. With no real social distancing and a high reproduction number the virus can spread exponentially and overwhelm health system as we’ve seen in so many other countries. A mass vaccination program removes this risk, and therefore changes the health practices and advice that is issued for isolated cases of the virus.

This really isn’t difficult stuff, it’s pretty basic disease control knowledge you would learn in the first year of a medical degree.

Few vaccines prevent infection. Here is why that's not a problem

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