Jetstar EBA 2019

[non_state_actor]

The young blokes going to the regionals in the US will be paid more than you fellas soon.

Breeze and Spirit airlines in the US already pay more in Australian dollars. That's before you even consider cost of living and taxes.

[ANstar]

Originally Posted by cLeArIcE

As much As I don't like this deal (some things are okay, doesn't go far enough) and the constant bickering between the unions frustrates the hell out of me, I do feel a bit sorry for both unions. Do not underestimate how much hatred and anger there is amongst the pilot group for JQ. This is not just frustration or a dislike of a few management characters etc, this is 100% pure hatred for the company. They feel over worked, under paid, not respected anywhere near their pears at QF or link and they have had enough. There is zero good will left.

Unfortunately for the AFAP (did they not read the room?) Some of that is now being directed at them. This agreement does not match the expectations of many. They are upset and are voicing that. But, it was always going to be difficult to get their message across the rage and hatred.

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IF you hate it so much why don't you move to another carrier?

[tossbag]

You know why he doesn't move to another carrier, probably for the same reason you wouldn't.

[Gunner747400]

Originally Posted by tossbag

The young blokes going to the regionals in the US will be paid more than you fellas soon.

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Originally Posted by non_state_actor

Breeze and Spirit airlines in the US already pay more in Australian dollars. That's before you even consider cost of living and taxes.

All the regionals too are already paying more than JQ when converted to dollyradoos.

Brand new FO, $90/hr with a min guarantee of 75hrs even on a full reserve roster. 81k USD = 128k AUD.

[tossbag]

And the rest, ain't no sign on bonuses or retention bonuses or captains pay when you have the hours, not while you wait 15 years for an upgrade. $15 dollars a gallon in Aus, $4 in the US, beer, milk, bread, rent.........

[havick]

Originally Posted by tossbag

The young blokes going to the regionals in the US will be paid more than you fellas soon.

Soon - Are currently

[tossbag]

I had to build up, to the crescendo. There's more to come. Like people on the dole in Australia soon being on more than a jetstar captain.

[tossbag]

Australian pilots will be moving to South Africa, for better standard of living and better paid pilot jobs.

[non_state_actor]

You know why he doesn't move to another carrier, probably for the same reason you wouldn't.

And that is the issue in Australia. Noone actually leaves. Until that happens at scale, management will keep on calling our bluff.

[cLeArIcE]

Originally Posted by ANstar

IF you hate it so much why don't you move to another carrier?

Ah yes, the old if you don't like it, leave mentality. I'm working on it but there is a balance of things to consider as you well know. Maybe I do or I don't. Doesn't matter, I still want things to be better for everyone whether I'm here or not.
It's not Just me, pretty obvious on here, telegram and the line how unhappy people are. Should they Just leave too?
If your background is reflected in your username you could most likely make a lot of people's life happier by just retiring.

[GA Driver]

Originally Posted by cLeArIcE

Ah yes, the old if you don't like it, leave mentality. I'm working on it but there is a balance of things to consider as you well know. Maybe I do or I don't. Doesn't matter, I still want things to be better for everyone whether I'm here or not.
It's not Just me, pretty obvious on here, telegram and the line how unhappy people are. Should they Just leave too?
If your background is reflected in your username you could most likely make a lot of people's life happier by just retiring.

No need to go if it suits you mate, we are all on the same side even though this forum may say otherwise. I think you’ll find most people are in agreement about improving things, it’s just a slooooow process that’s a forever battle with this mob.

[slice]

Just wondering, over here at team Bain there is a steady trickle of crew going mainly to Atlas and National Cargo in the US, and also supposed to be around 50 or so on Qantas hold file. Plus a very large number have elected not to return off the inactive list(as they have gone right through the list of several hundred). Crew are totally fed up with more or less the same crap as at Jetstar (rostering, big reduction in base pay, general flt ops incompetence). Are any Jetstar crew heading to the US (or other overseas employers) ?

[RealSatoshi]

Annual CPI inflation hits 7.3%, highest since 1990 - NCA NewsWire (26 October 2022)

Let's not forget that 3% is a good deal...Cough
In the real world, just the last two quarters of 2022 has already eaten that 3% plus another 0.6% on top of that - consider the last three quarters and the figure balloons to 2.7% on top of the 3% already destroyed.

[SHVC]

Originally Posted by slice

Are any Jetstar crew heading to the US (or other overseas employers) ?

Yes! Rumor has it a certain flight ops manager has more than 50 request for log book cert and references.

[RealSatoshi]

Whenever you're told that you're not worth more...remember this:

2021 CEO Total Compensation (USD) as a function of Company Market Cap
0.0787% ----> Qantas : $5.577 Million @ $7.089 Billion Market Cap

0.0780% ----> American Airlines : $7.24 Million @ $9.287 Billion Market Cap
0.0729% ----> United Airlines : $9.85 Million @ $13.52 Billion Market Cap
0.0583% ----> Alaska Airlines : $3.21 Million @ $5.506 Billion Market Cap
0.0570% ----> Delta Airlines : $12.4 Million @ $21.74 Billion Market Cap
0.0282% ----> Southwest : $5.8 Million @ $20.54 Billion Market Cap

0.0040% ----> Apple : $98 Million @ $2.448 Trillion Market Cap
0.0027% ----> Microsoft : $49.858 Million @ $1.869 Trillion Market Cap
0.0005% ----> Google : $6.32 Million @ $1.365 Trillion Market Cap

[What The]

I can’t believe you are entertaining the idea of a retrospective 2 year pay freeze.
We all took a 2 year stand down to save the company.
Joyce has said we are now looking at record profits.
There is zero need for a pay freeze.

[Keith Myath]

Originally Posted by Lookleft

For all the rubber neckers who want to know what the problems with Jetstar are look no further than clearice's post at #863. It represents the general consensus of what the main issues are. JQ management would also do well to look at that list.

You still haven't answered my questions, but you have joined the clearice admiration society:

Lookleft, do you even work for Jetstar?

What is it you want?

What are you going to do to get it?

[Keith Myath]

Originally Posted by What The

I can’t believe you are entertaining the idea of a retrospective 2 year pay freeze.
We all took a 2 year stand down to save the company.
Joyce has said we are now looking at record profits.
There is zero need for a pay freeze.

Everyone in the Qantas group is taking a 2 year pay freeze. Yours will start next year. If you Qantas pilots want to batten down the hatches and get stuck in, fill your boots. If you break the wages policy, it flows through to us. So go hard.

[Red69]

I reckon you’d be silly to vote in an agreement before labours multi employer bargaining kicks in. The airlines are fearful of this change as there is a huge shift in power. Go PIA, let the process drag on and get the best deal you can. Aim for the stars as there has never been a better time to ask for what you’re worth. People resigning, flights cancelled, bad publicity. Jetstar pilots are worth just as much as QF mainline pilots. Fight for it.

[Colonel_Klink]

Originally Posted by What The

I can’t believe you are entertaining the idea of a retrospective 2 year pay freeze.
We all took a 2 year stand down to save the company.
Joyce has said we are now looking at record profits.
There is zero need for a pay freeze.

This is actually quite a fair point….

The whole premise of the QF wages policy should have been challenged prior to COVID - unfortunately none of the pilot groups (or other employee groups!) that had the chance took the challenge up to QF IR and called BS.

But of all the agreements since QF IR came up with this policy that seems to be made up on the whim of Joyce, this JQ proposal looks to be the greatest in terms of monetary gains. The increase of 20 odd percent to base salary over the life of the agreement is not something to be sneezed at. That is a considerable gain.