Jetstar EBA 2019

[ZebraFlyer]

Y’all make me glad I left. Seems like an alright deal all in all to me.

[C441]

…..moaning on this thread about how badly treated they are on six figure salaries now bolstered in a recent 21% + + payrise here in the best country on Earth.

21++% payrise?
Other Qantas group entities with upcoming EA's to be negotiated will be delighted hear this.

[Slugga]

Well the AFAP knows how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again, pushing this through when more favourable IR laws were on the way and have just been passed (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...27-p5c1km.html)

All just amazing coincident that you'd rush this through. Looks like this union should've been included in that Royal Commission in '14.

[Colonel_Klink]

Originally Posted by Slugga

Well the AFAP knows how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again, pushing this through when more favourable IR laws were on the way and have just been passed (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...27-p5c1km.html)

Can you share how you think multi-employer bargaining would have actually helped the JQ deal? From everything that I have read on the matter I don’t think this option would have been open to JQ pilots. And even if it were, it would be incredibly complex to try and bargain with QF / VA pilots give the significant differences in their terms and conditions.

[Slugga]

Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink

Can you share how you think multi-employer bargaining would have actually helped the JQ deal? From everything that I have read on the matter I don’t think this option would have been open to JQ pilots. And even if it were, it would be incredibly complex to try and bargain with QF / VA pilots give the significant differences in their terms and conditions.

Seriously....The threat that QF management has used for years against the group.

Perhaps changing your name to Sergeant Schultzwould be more fitting

[Colonel_Klink]

Originally Posted by Slugga

Seriously....The threat that QF management has used for years against the group.

Perhaps changing your name to Sergeant Schultzwould be more fitting

The threat of having flying transferred to another group was not made during the JQ negotiations.

It is a serious questions about the new legislative IR changes and how you think this would have affected the JQ negotiation. From everything that I have read, and from mates who work at law firms that specialise in IR - they can’t confidently say how what is being proposed is going to affect bargaining (especially for those employee groups that already have agreements that are currently in force). So I don’t know how you can be so sure in your assertions.

But then again - it’s pretty easy to just read a headline that talks about proposed IR changes, slag off the union and infer that it’s corrupt. 🙄

[Brakerider]

Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink

The threat of having flying transferred to another group was not made during the JQ negotiations.

It is a serious questions about the new legislative IR changes and how you think this would have affected the JQ negotiation. From everything that I have read, and from mates who work at law firms that specialise in IR - they can’t confidently say how what is being proposed is going to affect bargaining (especially for those employee groups that already have agreements that are currently in force). So I don’t know how you can be so sure in your assertions.

But then again - it’s pretty easy to just read a headline that talks about proposed IR changes, slag off the union and infer that it’s corrupt. 🙄

It seems like the new IR changes would benefit Flight Attendant groups more - as they have several different agreements covering employees doing the same job. I can't see the proposed changes affecting any pilot groups.

[RealSatoshi]

Originally Posted by Brakerider

It seems like the new IR changes would benefit Flight Attendant groups more - as they have several different agreements covering employees doing the same job. I can't see the proposed changes affecting any pilot groups.

Well, let's just start by saying that flying a Boeing 787 = "The Same Job" as flying a Boeing 787 et al.
There are low cost passengers and low cost services, but Boeing and/or Airbus never designed Low Cost Pilot versions of the same type...

[ddrwk]

Multi-employer bargaining is just one of the areas that will change. There are a number of other changes that will assist Qantas group employees.

[hillbillybob]

Originally Posted by RealSatoshi

Well, let's just start by saying that flying a Boeing 787 = "The Same Job" as flying a Boeing 787 et al.
There are low cost passengers and low cost services, but Boeing and/or Airbus never designed Low Cost Pilot versions of the same type...

yep, two agreements for 787

4 different agreements covering the flying of A320 family in the group...

2 different agreements covering Dash 8 operations.

[neville_nobody]

yep, two agreements for 787

4 different agreements covering the flying of A320 family in the group...

2 different agreements covering Dash 8 operations.

Give them a break they need to justify all the management somehow. If they streamline the company then they might have to fire a few managers and shrink a few departments which is completely unacceptable to anyone in a high management position.

[Window heat]

Originally Posted by neville_nobody

Give them a break they need to justify all the management somehow. If they streamline the company then they might have to fire a few managers and shrink a few departments which is completely unacceptable to anyone in a high management position.

live been in the company for a long time. The Dixon/Joyce model of chasing the virtual airline must be very top dollar heavy. Multiple types, training, sims, parts, managers blah blah blah. The wedge is the only goal but the cost and bull5h1t factor must be mind numbing.