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Old 12th Nov 2019, 04:18
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Would be keen to hear if there are GA guys and girls going out and spending 6k on mcc course or if this is just a culling mechanism as they are receiving enough applications from folk already having multi crew time.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 07:26
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Originally Posted by plotplot View Post
Would be keen to hear if there are GA guys and girls going out and spending 6k on mcc course or if this is just a culling mechanism as they are receiving enough applications from folk already having multi crew time.
Hi plotplot, I​​​​​ came from GA, I was also grandfathered into the exemption for being on turboprops before the part 61 deadline and I waited for 6 months after the interview thinking Virgin would either accept that, tell me they wanted it or just supply the MCC. Heard nothing in the 6 months so I bit the bullet. Since joining I've read their manuals and although they reserve the right to make their own decisions etc... And despite the MCC not being a minimum mandatory item on the recruitment pages, it completely is. The HR guys are looking for certain criteria and are ticking boxes before it gets to anyone who will take the time to see whether or not a grandfather clause applies to you. It's easier to just pay for the course or you won't get acknowledged as being qualified.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 11:59
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Originally Posted by pyrophoenix View Post
Hi plotplot, I​​​​​ came from GA, I was also grandfathered into the exemption for being on turboprops before the part 61 deadline and I waited for 6 months after the interview thinking Virgin would either accept that, tell me they wanted it or just supply the MCC. Heard nothing in the 6 months so I bit the bullet. Since joining I've read their manuals and although they reserve the right to make their own decisions etc... And despite the MCC not being a minimum mandatory item on the recruitment pages, it completely is. The HR guys are looking for certain criteria and are ticking boxes before it gets to anyone who will take the time to see whether or not a grandfather clause applies to you. It's easier to just pay for the course or you won't get acknowledged as being qualified.
So letís see if I have this right.

HR have determined that you are not competitive unless you have multi crew time. However one can buy a qualification for around $6K.

Words fail me!
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 13:11
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I cringe every time this gets brought up.

What do you think about the rest of the population are doing when they go to university? They don't study for free. They BUY a qualification. And guess what, when they graduate, in order to stay competitive and get further in their career, they go back and spend a hell of a lot more then $6000 on ANOTHER qualification.

I really don't understand everyone's issue with this. It's the same in every industry, yet we are the only ones who seem to complain about it.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 20:51
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No issue here.

Was a simple question that prompted a simple answer - thank you Pyrophoenix. I've been on the fence about getting it done for a while as it seems there are a few operators where you will be more competitive if you have it done already.

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Old 12th Nov 2019, 21:12
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Originally Posted by kjvmw View Post
I cringe every time this gets brought up.

What do you think about the rest of the population are doing when they go to university? They don't study for free. They BUY a qualification. And guess what, when they graduate, in order to stay competitive and get further in their career, they go back and spend a hell of a lot more then $6000 on ANOTHER qualification.

I really don't understand everyone's issue with this. It's the same in every industry, yet we are the only ones who seem to complain about it.
i think the main issue is that itís 6 weeks of a GA wage to essentially watch a couple episodes of air crash investigations, learn nothing, and get your photo taken in a fixed base 737 toy.
itís a joke and we all know it.



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Old 12th Nov 2019, 21:26
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Originally Posted by kjvmw View Post
I cringe every time this gets brought up.

What do you think about the rest of the population are doing when they go to university? They don't study for free. They BUY a qualification. And guess what, when they graduate, in order to stay competitive and get further in their career, they go back and spend a hell of a lot more then $6000 on ANOTHER qualification.

I really don't understand everyone's issue with this. It's the same in every industry, yet we are the only ones who seem to complain about it.
There is obviously more than one school of thought on this.

Let me spell out mine.

I entered the airlines without any multi crew experience, real, virtual, or otherwise. My employer was happy (and competent enough) to properly integrate me into the multi crew environment as part of my training. I have always been an average student, but on the whole I encountered no issues. To date I have some 15,000 hours or Multi crew airline experience of which 10,000 hours are as pilot in command.

IMHO the requirement for a multi crew qualification in order to apply is no more than a HR driven, self serving exercise that enables yet another way of relieving hopeful candidates of their money.

They reckon they can’t get suitable candidates. Is it any wonder when more than suitable pilots are passed over because people who haven’t even walked a metre in their shoes are calling the shots.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 21:34
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Meanwhile, operators who need MCC pilots elsewhere are running ATP courses & type ratings at their cost, including paying the pilot wages and accommodation costs. This country makes me laugh.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 22:04
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For a generation there was excess supply.
Coincident with this was the rise of HR drivel.

HR captured control of the process, in their never ending mission creep. Excess supply meant that they could grow fat cutting terms and conditions.

That time has finished.
Pilots costs lots to train, take a lot of time to do so and not every person has the aptitude.

It is called mean reversion.

Airline HR/Ir is on the wrong side of the trade this time.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 22:58
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Originally Posted by kjvmw View Post
I cringe every time this gets brought up.

What do you think about the rest of the population are doing when they go to university? They don't study for free. They BUY a qualification. And guess what, when they graduate, in order to stay competitive and get further in their career, they go back and spend a hell of a lot more then $6000 on ANOTHER qualification.

I really don't understand everyone's issue with this. It's the same in every industry, yet we are the only ones who seem to complain about it.
I see a few differences.

Firstly, in the past it was not a requirement. It seems to be fairly recently strapped on. I donít have a MCC , but my understanding, which could be wrong, is that itís fairly easy to achieve during type rating.

Also, as far as other professions go. Not a single one of my doctor/lawyer/engineer/teacher/ATC friends have moved to the more remote parts of Australia to be paid less than 50k. Or have spent over 70k upfront (as many donít use the fee help). Or have work conditions even remotely close to entry GA. In fact they are usually paid significantly more than their city counterparts and receive an array of government subsidies. I only use this as an example as the ones coughing up the 6k+ are usually the people out remote , and it is a very very larger percentage of their annual income.

Lastly, any that go back for further qualifications, which isnít that many, are usually paid by the uni, or are under scholarship, or by their employer (PhD / masters/ more specific training, workshops etc). The ones that pay up are usually doing further education in another field , not improving their currently achieved skills set.

Those are extra points of complaint that I see anyway, and they certainly arenít hard and fast rules. However, the nature of the game is to tick the required boxes, so be it. It just seems extra boxes frequently appear!
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 04:25
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IMHO the requirement for a multi crew qualification in order to apply is no more than a HR driven, self serving exercise that enables yet another way of relieving hopeful candidates of their money.
What organisation does all the recruitment and pilot selection for Virgin Australia?

Does that organisation have a Part 142 certificate and offer MCC?
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 21:34
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Does anyone have any info on when Virgin plans on starting pilot recruitment again and any ideas on fleets and bases would be much appreciated.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 22:07
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Fleet reduction

Given Virgin is undergoing a fleet/route review you may have to wait a little while for the dust to settle.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 02:18
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It wouldn't surprise me if they do actually do some recruiting for ATR FO and 777 SO positions over the next six months. The ATR is apparently at quite low levels with FO positions turning up on every resource plan (and let's face it, who in the company already would be applying for an ATR FO position), and there are still internal vacancies to be filled which will eventually filter down to freeing up 777 SO spots.

In other news I heard that the new ATR EBA got voted up with a pretty strong yes vote. Phased withdrawl of the cap, more RDOs, higher base and some retention to boot.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 04:24
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All depends on QF recruitment. Regardless, there are a few leaving and others looking. Iíd think they wonít replace them to keep the costs down.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 18:37
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink View Post


The latest resource plan showed a need for the following pilots over the next 12 months:

12 x 777 SO positions
20 x Aus 737 FO positions
6 x NZ 737 FO positions
4 x ATR Captains positions
6 x ATR FO positions
Handful of WB Captain and FO positions

Those numbers typically donít take into account further attrition during the year (say if QF started awarding start dates again).

And those numbers also typically donít take into account backfilled positions (for example if the Company awards a 330 command to a 737 captain, they will then as an example replace that 737 captain with a 737 FO, who may be replaced by a 777 SO who may need to be replaced by someone on the hold file).

That list doesnít cover TT or VARA West Coast positions.

And of course that list could change pending outcome of network review (which as a guess I would think would be pulling capacity out of NZ)!

Fingers crossed you donít wait too long on the hold file.
Does anybody have inside knowledge as to when the internal bidding for these positions is going to be completed? I am guessing they are currently being advertised internally at the moment?

Also, does anyone know if Human Resources are going to be awarding any start dates to externals before Christmas or is everything winding down until the next year? Also has this resource plan changed since the announcements of the fleet & network review at the annual general meeting on the 6th of Nov?

Lots of questions that have all been asked before, I'm just wondering if anyone with inside info can share any current updates. Cheers.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 00:33
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VA Cadetship

Does anyone know much about the Virgin Cadetship especially when they generally advertise for the program?
Thanks.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 06:05
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Does anyone know if the Direct Entry SO requirement of 300 hours in Command of a powered fixed wing aeroplane can be done in ra-aus aircraft?
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 22:06
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Does anyone know if the Direct Entry SO requirement of 300 hours in Command of a powered fixed wing aeroplane can be done in ra-aus aircraft?
I am sure it can.... but if there is a candidate with 300 hours in command of a Cessna 206 and a Baron, which candidate do you think they will take?
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 22:49
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Probably the one who jumps through the HR hoops and has the best Ďtell me about a time whení answers.
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