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Old 15th May 2018, 03:38
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Originally Posted by Hatchet Harry View Post
3 bigger Ďdedicatedí aircraft for the AFL.... more A330ís? More aircraft means more pilots needed I assume.
Pretty sure they donít have any 330s to spare. My moneyís on ex-JQ A320s. If so, more pilots for Network.
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Old 15th May 2018, 03:49
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Originally Posted by Hatchet Harry View Post
This piece was on the radio last week. Might be some additional QF aircraft coming online for an AFL ‘partnership’ deal:

https://www.triplem.com.au/shows/the...r-could-change

3 bigger ‘dedicated’ aircraft for the AFL.... more A330’s? More aircraft means more pilots needed I assume.

Private terminal? That massive new Melbourne jet base at Tullamarine?



24 AFL rounds per year.
9 games per round.
Having a quick browse of fixtures shows about 5-6 games per round played by teams which would require a flight by one to get to match, so let's say 6.
About 50 players, coaching and support staff per team.
That's a total of only roughly 300 additional passengers for 48 travel days per year (to get there and back), and a few more for the finals.
No way anyone is dedicating any aircraft for that amount of business, let alone 3 A330's. A mining contract will create more passengers in a week than the AFL contract would in a year.
A lot of value to be gained in having the sponsorship rights of the contract, but the transportation of the players? They can put them on regularly scheduled flights.
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Old 15th May 2018, 04:00
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That makes good sense ‘Bug Smasher Smasher’. I guess the ex-JQ 320’s at Network would work well for this exercise. The clubs could fill the 100 odd spare seats with their members and supporters.

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Old 15th May 2018, 04:18
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
No way anyone is dedicating any aircraft for that amount of business, let alone 3 A330's. A mining contract will create more passengers in a week than the AFL contract would in a year.
A lot of value to be gained in having the sponsorship rights of the contract, but the transportation of the players? They can put them on regularly scheduled flights.
Oh well, this is a rumour network. I hadnít considered the numbers. Sounds like BS then.
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Old 15th May 2018, 04:28
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Warning, thread drift.

be interesting to see what happens here. When JB was still at QF, he stated that they didnít want to sign to the AFL, as the deal meant you couldnít sponsor any other sport. Then he inherited just that when he moved to Brisbane. Be curious if heís told the AFL to shove it. Either way, with the sentiment expressed be JB at the time, and I would assume QFís resistance to such a clause, the AFL most likely wouldnít be able to insist on that requirement this time.

Bring on more recruiting. Being of the ďhate everythingĒ generation in QF, itís getting harder to get people to listen to my rants of negativity. Itís quite refreshing.
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Old 15th May 2018, 05:19
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A few years ago the Brisbane Lions would get an element of special treatment when travelling on Qantas.
One particular Captain would usually operate their flight often at lower altitudes to minimise the effects of lower external pressure on soft tissue injuries among other things.
That Captain is now on the 330 I believe!
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Old 15th May 2018, 05:46
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The network A320s donít/wonít do much work on the weekends.

So its highly plausible they could be the AFL machines.
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Old 15th May 2018, 06:00
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Originally Posted by C441 View Post
A few years ago the Brisbane Lions would get an element of special treatment when travelling on Qantas.
One particular Captain would usually operate their flight often at lower altitudes to minimise the effects of lower external pressure on soft tissue injuries among other things.
That Captain is now on the 330 I believe!
That would have to have been about 15 years ago. Obviously that special treatment hasnít been working over the last few years!
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Old 16th May 2018, 07:05
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Anyone have any course info for the June/July ground schools?
Wondering if itís strictly 78 expected for new hires here on in or is there still the odd treacle onto other fleets?
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Old 16th May 2018, 09:22
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Donít think there has been any other types other than the 787 since late last year. A few courses have a token 2 x 747 so you may get lucky. Divisiors are low on all SO fleets.
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Old 16th May 2018, 15:49
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I’m a 10 year A330 SO. $160000 last year
How does an A330 S/O (Cruise only Co-Pilot?) get more pay than a B737 F/O? The 737 pilot is part of the 2 man operating crew at all stages of the flight, makes operational decisions, is qualified for T/Os and landings during route flying, and takes over from Capt if incapacitated etc.
The Cruise only pilot has no defined part in the aircraft operation, no Normal ,Abnormal or Emergency Checklist procedures involve a third man. Presumably if any in flight emergencies occur with the Capt in rest, he is immediately called, and retakes the front seat with the trained F/O, and the S/O again becomes an observer.
A QF S/O seems a great job with no responsibility and loads of money!
PS I Can't believe any pilot would want such a long term and unfulfilling job.
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Old 16th May 2018, 16:07
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How does an A330 S/O (Cruise only Co-Pilot?) get more pay than a B737 F/O?
They donít. As such, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

As has been outlined earlier in the thread 737 F/Oís are making $200-240K
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Old 16th May 2018, 21:55
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post
PS I Can't believe any pilot would want such a long term and unfulfilling job.
Refer to your sentence immediately before that one.
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Old 16th May 2018, 21:58
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Remember the literature stated "we don't hire second officers, we hire future captains"

I guess QF never thought to define "future" lol

10 years is a long time for anything.

Good luck to them - you should always run your own race in this world.
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Old 17th May 2018, 01:26
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One of the best things about the whole Qantas pilot situation is choice (tempered by seniority and time).
When first hired you are allocated a type, now that type should be 787 but occasionally other types due to the company filling required places.
From then on you choose where and on what type you wish to be and any movement off your current position is awarded by seniority on what you choose to type into your LOP, (letter of preference).
737 first officer positions in Perth or Adelaide available virtually immediately if you CHOOSE!
Some pilots will want the fast promotion through the ranks and choose 737 in the West until a command, others will choose to stay longhaul as SO or FO for a long time to live in the city of their choice. For some it is : “if it’s not Boeing I aint going”, for some it is the joy of eating a crew meal on a table! Thank goodness everyone has various ideas of a perfect lifestyle as even the trips on each type have some variance.
Pay varies through types and ranks for a number of reasons, 12 year increments on established long haul types being one reason, overtime on long routes being another. Longhaul FOs are paid 65% of Captain, SOs 50%, not too hard to figure out, payrates are public.
Again, seniority permitting : it is your choice where, when and what you fly.

If you don’t think this if a fit system then don’t f$&&(*& join and THEN bitch about it, you don’t even need to interview with Qantas if you don’t choose!
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Old 17th May 2018, 01:34
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post
How does an A330 S/O (Cruise only Co-Pilot?) get more pay than a B737 F/O? The 737 pilot is part of the 2 man operating crew at all stages of the flight, makes operational decisions, is qualified for T/Os and landings during route flying, and takes over from Capt if incapacitated etc.
When the 767 F/Os were demoted to the A380 they took a 4% hit on the hourly rate and picked up about 30% overtime for a big pay rise. It has always been thus. When I became a 767 F/O in Ď97 i was earning in the vicinity of 1/3 less than my colleagues who remained as 744 S/Os.

Improvements since then have dramatically decreased the chances of this happening but keep in mind QF have a 12 Year scale so the numbers become distorted quite quickly when a large swathe of your workforce has had little opportunity for promotion from 2009- 2016. Certainly the new S/Os on years 1 and 2 pay arenít earning more than a 737 F/O. Those employed in August 16 are only max of year three pay and would be unlikely to as well even if theyíre on the A380.

So if QF want to keep their S/O pay down the key is to be promoting people to F/O and Captain more quickly. Something they didnít realise when they made movement to JQ prohibitively difficult.
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Old 17th May 2018, 02:15
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I’d also say that the those high salary’s for SO’s will more than likey be a thing of the past for most new joiners now. The 744 is being retired and the A380 would be full, especially now that the 744 looks like it will RIN in some form, and the change in the flying program for that type. Those that choose to stay on the A380 (if they can survive the RIN), will hold onto all the positions available with very little numbers leaving the gravy train. So I’d suspect that people choosing the 737 will increase, as it will really be the only option available.
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Old 17th May 2018, 03:23
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Originally Posted by ADawg View Post
Remember the literature stated "we don't hire second officers, we hire future captains"

I guess QF never thought to define "future" lol

10 years is a long time for anything.

Good luck to them - you should always run your own race in this world.
Future is 20 years plus, widebody east coast is 25 plus.
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Old 17th May 2018, 03:47
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They donít. As such, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

As has been outlined earlier in the thread 737 F/Oís are making $200-240K
with an hourly rate of $196.60 i assume the above wage includes allowances and flying 90 hours a month?
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Old 17th May 2018, 03:55
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No, those numbers are correct for about 75hrs and don’t include allowances. There are 13 bidperiods per year.

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