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Old 10th Oct 2023, 21:07
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Originally Posted by btrdux
So for your $5k what do they actually "do"? Just a bunch of maths/reading whizzes that sit your psychometric testing for you? They have the answer sheet? Something else?
Pretty much on point !!
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 00:09
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Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns
Is the 24 month QF group lockout still a thing?
You can apply as a group candidate but it’s now only an 18 month freeze between start dates.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 04:07
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Originally Posted by dr dre
You can apply as a group candidate but it’s now only an 18 month freeze between start dates.
Sorry, should've been clearer. Speaking on those who left the group < 2 years ago.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 22:35
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Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns
Sorry, should've been clearer. Speaking on those who left the group < 2 years ago.
Has anyone actually (voluntarily, not medical related etc) left Qantas (mainline) and returned after a period of time? My imagination says that once that door is closed, it's closed forever.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 00:22
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Has anyone actually (voluntarily, not medical related etc) left Qantas (mainline) and returned after a period of time? My imagination says that once that door is closed, it's closed forever.
Yes, but if you resign of your own free will and then rejoin you start again from the bottom of the seniority list. The only exception is if you lose your job due to losing your medical but you then regain your medical within 4 years, then you can return at your original seniority.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 03:24
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Originally Posted by cap71n
Has anyone actually (voluntarily, not medical related etc) left Qantas (mainline) and returned after a period of time? My imagination says that once that door is closed, it's closed forever.
I was talking about the time frame (if any) from leaving a QF subsidiary and then being eligible for mainline.
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Old 13th Oct 2023, 03:05
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Mayday Board Game

Any chance of someone posting some links to youtube videos etc on info regarding the Mayday board game that forms part of the assessment. TA.
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Old 13th Oct 2023, 03:23
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Originally Posted by yepppp
Any chance of someone posting some links to youtube videos etc on info regarding the Mayday board game that forms part of the assessment. TA.
I wouldn’t stress about the board game, you don’t win or lose. It’s about how you interact and make decisions with peers.
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Old 13th Oct 2023, 08:27
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​​​​​Any chance of someone posting some links to youtube videos etc on info regarding the Mayday board game that forms part of the assessment. TA.
It’s something you can’t practice for. Just actively participate, don’t be passive and sit back not saying anything, but don’t come in with puffed out chest trying to run the show either.
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Old 13th Oct 2023, 14:37
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Originally Posted by yepppp
Any chance of someone posting some links to youtube videos etc on info regarding the Mayday board game that forms part of the assessment. TA.
Looks like JQ and Mainline interviews are similar now, with both using the MayDay board game for the group activity exercise. There are a few YouTube videos of the game;


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Old 14th Oct 2023, 03:38
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Anyone done the SHL tests and know specifically which topics they test on?
TIA.
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 03:54
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They use board games now?

What an absolute load of horse****.

What happened to pilot selection of old:
1. Can they pole an aeroplane around the sky with a decent instrument scan, plus:
2. Can I sit next to this person for 12 hours?

”Talent Acquisition” is just another industry of bureaucratic, self-fulfilling BS and epitomises what’s wrong with the Qantas group. Can’t see the wood for the trees.

Still waiting for Qantas group to offer scholarships that target “equal gender employment” in all their roles - like bag chuckers. You know, those occupations that Qantas can’t make PR mileage out of equal opportunity.
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 04:19
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Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete
They use board games now?

What an absolute load of horse****.

What happened to pilot selection of old:
1. Can they pole an aeroplane around the sky with a decent instrument scan, plus:
2. Can I sit next to this person for 12 hours?

”Talent Acquisition” is just another industry of bureaucratic, self-fulfilling BS and epitomises what’s wrong with the Qantas group. Can’t see the wood for the trees.

Still waiting for Qantas group to offer scholarships that target “equal gender employment” in all their roles - like bag chuckers. You know, those occupations that Qantas can’t make PR mileage out of equal opportunity.
They still do those things, but with CRM being such a huge focus these days, I don’t see what’s wrong with having a method to assess those skills.

Oh by the way, I THIIIINK that the game was developed by a pilot. Does that suit your requirements?
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 05:17
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And the Talent Acquisition team is made up of something 20 something year olds who want you to tell them all about empathy and how you recognised and conquered your weaknesses. You must have “awesome” and “reaching out “ in your hourly vocabulary..

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Old 14th Oct 2023, 05:22
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Originally Posted by Oldbrigade
And the Talent Acquisition team is made up of something 20 something year olds who who want you to tell them all about empathy and how you recognised and conquered your weaknesses. You must have “awesome” and “reaching out “ in your hourly vocabulary..
It’s actually not

The interview teams are made up of a group of pilots, and HR staff who at least when I did it, were definitely not 20 somethings
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 06:49
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Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete
They use board games now?

What an absolute load of horse****.

What happened to pilot selection of old:
1. Can they pole an aeroplane around the sky with a decent instrument scan, plus:
2. Can I sit next to this person for 12 hours?
Last time they ran recruitment they got 4-5x as many applicants as positions available. Most people can fly well, and most are decent enough to be friendly and sit next to for 12 hours. So then choosing out of those people who gets a job can be tricky. That's where more innate values such as teamwork, leadership, communication, 'soft skills' can be the factor in who gets a job or not.

And the Talent Acquisition team is made up of something 20 something year olds who who want you to tell them all about empathy and how you recognised and conquered your weaknesses.
That's something all pilots should have in their skill set. If (as a pilot) I'm going to employ another pilot I want to know how this person is going to deal with hurdles and obstacles they may face in training or on the line? If they get stuck in the training program how are they going to overcome any weak points they might have? Or are they going to be arrogant and say they have no weaknesses, or blame their problems on others?

On the issue of empathy, yes I do want my colleagues to look out for other colleagues, to care for their wellbeing and understand the concerns of others. Because a person who doesn't have empathy is usually a bit of a knob, and no one likes them. If you think that isn't important during Covid the value of empathy amongst pilots was widely understood and appreciated. No one mocked it then.

Wouldn't you rather work with humble people who care for others? Or arrogant knobs who care only for themselves?
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 11:30
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Yep agree with all that, however most candidates today have not been in the industry long enough to have any idea as to what empathy is all about. It is an acquired culture , obtained after years of exposure to the profession. It takes years to develop a sound airline pilot, but as long as the candidate can demonstrate motivation and reasonable competency, it should be considered a good starting point. I challenge any interview panel to guarantee that a two hundred hour candidate will have all the attributes required to satisfy the long term culture of the employer.
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 12:28
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Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete
Still waiting for Qantas group to offer scholarships that target “equal gender employment” in all their roles - like bag chuckers. You know, those occupations that Qantas can’t make PR mileage out of equal opportunity.
They have actually managed to achieve that metric already. There are the now the exact same amount of female and male baggage handlers employed by Qantas.
You’d think people would be happy about it but apparently there has been a court case (or 3) over it. Qantas just can get a break.
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 13:08
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Originally Posted by Oldbrigade
Yep agree with all that, however most candidates today have not been in the industry long enough to have any idea as to what empathy is all about. It is an acquired culture , obtained after years of exposure to the profession.
Do you understand what empathy is? It's really something specific to an individual, and doesn't have much to do with experience. Some of the least empathetic people I've ever met are older and have been in the industry for decades.

​​​​​​​It takes years to develop a sound airline pilot, but as long as the candidate can demonstrate motivation and reasonable competency, it should be considered a good starting point.
Which is generally what good airline recruitment does.

​​​​​​​I challenge any interview panel to guarantee that a two hundred hour candidate will have all the attributes required to satisfy the long term culture of the employer.
No one can guarantee that but you can gear your selection process to identify who will be more likely to display those attributes.

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Old 14th Oct 2023, 20:38
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Originally Posted by Oldbrigade
Yep agree with all that, however most candidates today have not been in the industry long enough to have any idea as to what empathy is all about. It is an acquired culture , obtained after years of exposure to the profession. It takes years to develop a sound airline pilot, but as long as the candidate can demonstrate motivation and reasonable competency, it should be considered a good starting point. I challenge any interview panel to guarantee that a two hundred hour candidate will have all the attributes required to satisfy the long term culture of the employer.
Queue the “back in my day” music.

Mate the idea of recruitment for an airline at least, is to pick people who can show that they can be developed into sound airline pilots. This includes cadets. If your check and training system plus your line pilots can’t help develop a cadet, then there’s clearly some issues with it.
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