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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 00:24
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Originally Posted by Lapon
I thought VA were paid more than QF on the B737? My awareness of that was pre Bain I admit.
Pre 2021 (Pre Bain) Virgin 737 crew were on a higher base (~240k)but with a much higher OT trigger. For a 70 hour roster I think QF crew were ahead by about 20~30 %

Post 2021 737 CPT base is ~205K but trigger is now 57.5 hrs / 28 days. Plenty of work so some have flogged themselves and reached ~310K (some maybe even more). Numbers don't include allowances & super. 12 days off in 28 (13 if rostered less than 65 hrs)

HOWEVER roster bidding is crap, long duties and min rest at or close to FDP limits.
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 09:00
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Hypothetically, if you are on the hold file for qlink, can you apply to mainline and interview for them? Or would you need to withdraw your qlink application?
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 09:35
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QF ML Recruitment

Hiya All,

Anyone have any news or insider info on when QF ML will be recruiting for externals?
Currently working for Air NZ and looking to come back to Australia for more of a lifestyle change having lived there previously.

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 10:47
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Originally Posted by high_flyer747
Hiya All,

Anyone have any news or insider info on when QF ML will be recruiting for externals?
Currently working for Air NZ and looking to come back to Australia for more of a lifestyle change having lived there previously.

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
No concrete dates. They’re still allocating start dates to the current hold file. Some internals have start dates all throughout next year. My guess would be they have enough now on hold to not have to reopen applications for externals until sometime next year.

But what will be certain is that in the long term (beyond the next 6 months) they will definitely need to reopen applications as future projected hiring is substantial. Bare minimum 1500 new hires over 10 years.
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 05:39
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Thanks for that mate. Much appreciated!!


Originally Posted by dr dre
No concrete dates. They’re still allocating start dates to the current hold file. Some internals have start dates all throughout next year. My guess would be they have enough now on hold to not have to reopen applications for externals until sometime next year.

But what will be certain is that in the long term (beyond the next 6 months) they will definitely need to reopen applications as future projected hiring is substantial. Bare minimum 1500 new hires over 10 years.
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 19:17
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Does anyone know when the benefits of staff travel kick in for ML? Is there a certain amount of time you must wait after beginning training or is it immediate ?
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 21:53
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Does anyone know when the benefits of staff travel kick in for ML? Is there a certain amount of time you must wait after beginning training or is it immediate ?
QF Day 1. Interline 6 months
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 22:00
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I assume this is day 1 of training and what do you mean by interline ?
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 22:30
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Originally Posted by Ranger290
I assume this is day 1 of training and what do you mean by interline ?
Yes avbl from day 1 but in saying that it will take approx 2 to 7 days to get access ( IT thing). Interline = other carriers (emirates etc).
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 22:51
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Rumour the subsidiaries are going to go hard for group seniority , it’s a total injustice that there’s not a seamless transition to mainline .
Im surprised mainline isn’t going all widebody , as Australian airports are capacity constrained wouldn’t it be more sensible to send larger aircraft less often to major airports , also requires less staff overall .
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 22:56
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin
Rumour the subsidiaries are going to go hard for group seniority , it’s a total injustice that there’s not a seamless transition to mainline .
Im surprised mainline isn’t going all widebody , as Australian airports are capacity constrained wouldn’t it be more sensible to send larger aircraft less often to major airports , also requires less staff overall .
they can go as hard as they like. It just won’t happen
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 23:16
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Has anyone been given start dates recently?
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 00:16
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin
Rumour the subsidiaries are going to go hard for group seniority , it’s a total injustice that there’s not a seamless transition to mainline .
Im surprised mainline isn’t going all widebody , as Australian airports are capacity constrained wouldn’t it be more sensible to send larger aircraft less often to major airports , also requires less staff overall .
Sure, make them all go through the same interview process that everyone else has to do, then give them a number on the bottom. Otherwise why should they get a number on the list when they haven’t had to pass the same standard as the rest of the mainline pilots?
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 02:06
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Originally Posted by High_To_Low
Has anyone been given start dates recently?
Yes. Nov and Dec are filled.
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Otherwise why should they get a number on the list when they haven’t had to pass the same standard as the rest of the mainline pilots?
This line fascinates me, what exactly is the 'same standard'?

Seems to be an element of superiority in that reference. Are mainline pilots a true cut above every other QF group pilots, are they better suited for swept wing aircraft or turbofan operations?

Please help me, what is the standard?
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 02:50
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin
Rumour the subsidiaries are going to go hard for group seniority , it’s a total injustice that there’s not a seamless transition to mainline .
Im surprised mainline isn’t going all widebody , as Australian airports are capacity constrained wouldn’t it be more sensible to send larger aircraft less often to major airports , also requires less staff overall .
The Dash 8 subsidiaries aren’t going for it as an EBA issue.

It involves communication with the QF pilot councils (who effectively control their respective seniority lists).

Any discussions have been around ways in which to improve or streamline the recruitment process into QLink or help recruit or retain crew into the C&T ranks. Plenty of crew have said that if they could get LWOP from QF once they started, they would stay in QLink in the short term.

The result would be that QF would then have a list full of crew on LWOP waiting for their preferred base/fleet to come up which isn’t ideal.

At the moment, crew believe the best way into QF from QLink is to not make yourself too useful. There’s crew on the hold file who will not apply to the C&T department for fear that they will become too valuable and find their “tentative” course dates pushed back.

There’s also F/O’s who are close to command but will not take one due to the bond payments that may be required when their number at QF comes up.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 03:41
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What standard 😂. You blokes have such an inflated sense of self. Just talk to the ex CX crew who have joined as SO's. Overwhelming consensus is how poor the said standard is.
It’s called an interview mate, I never inferred flying standard.

Why should a subsidiary pilot be able to get in interview free? Fair enough not much point doing a sim, because there’s a record of that in the system.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 04:15
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Just take a look at what’s happening over the ditch. Under Air NZs RPPP, subsidiary pilots are taking jet jobs “interview free”. These are the same pilots that years earlier failed the Air NZ Jet recruitment process. They’re now limping through jet type ratings and in some cases still failing.

Not at all suggesting this is the case for most pilots. It’s just why there needs to be least 1 hurdle.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 04:36
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Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns
What standard 😂. You blokes have such an inflated sense of self. Just talk to the ex CX crew who have joined as SO's. Overwhelming consensus is how poor the said standard is.
None leaving due to this poor standard. No one putting their hand up to ‘fix’ the supposed poor standard! Thank goodness we have them so we can all finally be safe.
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How strange a thread turns into a pissing contest.

Would it not make more sense for the group to have a standard interview criteria and process for all entities, then negate the need for a final mainline interview?

It has always perplexed me how one can be flying for one entity go to the next fail an interview yet go back to flying at the original. In a world where we operate to SOPS why not bring it all in line.

Whoops talking common sense.

Back to mines longer than yours.
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