Qantas Recruitment
Do you have any idea how they select the allocations?
I’ve heard from several folks that one’s preference is sought at the final interview, with no promises made. The typical courteous/diplomatic response goes along these lines;
”Thanks for asking. I’m keen to join Qantas asap but, if there were to be a choice, I’d say that my family’s location near (eg Sydney) would make that Base more desirable because we wouldn’t need to relocate. However, I would accept any Base I’m offered”.
Occasionally people have deferred their start by up to to few months in order to get their preferred base/type. That choice can have unintended consequences in terms of future extremes in one’s career; promotion choices and demotions/redundancies can/will be determined by time on the seniority list. Additionally, word on the street is that among the immediately pre-Covid joiners, many took several years LWOP (under duress) but have done ok by returning to previous work/locations/better pay & are in no particular hurry to return to QF as junior pilots (S/Os)…. Why would they? Once you’ve got a ‘seniority number’ it lasts forever until retirement.
So many choices!😜
”Thanks for asking. I’m keen to join Qantas asap but, if there were to be a choice, I’d say that my family’s location near (eg Sydney) would make that Base more desirable because we wouldn’t need to relocate. However, I would accept any Base I’m offered”.
Occasionally people have deferred their start by up to to few months in order to get their preferred base/type. That choice can have unintended consequences in terms of future extremes in one’s career; promotion choices and demotions/redundancies can/will be determined by time on the seniority list. Additionally, word on the street is that among the immediately pre-Covid joiners, many took several years LWOP (under duress) but have done ok by returning to previous work/locations/better pay & are in no particular hurry to return to QF as junior pilots (S/Os)…. Why would they? Once you’ve got a ‘seniority number’ it lasts forever until retirement.
So many choices!😜
Take the first start date available, even if it means commuting for a short period of time.
Commuting in long haul isn’t too hard, just add an extra day per roster to fly into base before the trip (can fly back immediately after a trip), usually makes it an extra 2 days per roster away from home. It won’t be long until you get the desired LH base or a SH slot.
As long as you are living in one of the 5 major cities of course. If you’re living in a more regional location then that adds another layer of complexity into the equation, but some do maintain that lifestyle over their careers by choice.
But the benefit of getting on the seniority list ASAP is more important.
Commuting in long haul isn’t too hard, just add an extra day per roster to fly into base before the trip (can fly back immediately after a trip), usually makes it an extra 2 days per roster away from home. It won’t be long until you get the desired LH base or a SH slot.
As long as you are living in one of the 5 major cities of course. If you’re living in a more regional location then that adds another layer of complexity into the equation, but some do maintain that lifestyle over their careers by choice.
But the benefit of getting on the seniority list ASAP is more important.
Pure curiosity as I'm not involved with QF...
But, say you accept a SYD 330 SO slot, could you then "bid" to change to PER 787 SO? Or are you now committed to the 330 and it's associates bases?
If you can't bid to a different LH fleet, is it a matter of waiting till you have the seniority to bid for 787 FO?
But, say you accept a SYD 330 SO slot, could you then "bid" to change to PER 787 SO? Or are you now committed to the 330 and it's associates bases?
If you can't bid to a different LH fleet, is it a matter of waiting till you have the seniority to bid for 787 FO?
Pure curiosity as I'm not involved with QF...
But, say you accept a SYD 330 SO slot, could you then "bid" to change to PER 787 SO? Or are you now committed to the 330 and it's associates bases?
If you can't bid to a different LH fleet, is it a matter of waiting till you have the seniority to bid for 787 FO?
But, say you accept a SYD 330 SO slot, could you then "bid" to change to PER 787 SO? Or are you now committed to the 330 and it's associates bases?
If you can't bid to a different LH fleet, is it a matter of waiting till you have the seniority to bid for 787 FO?
The individual I know had not actually started training for the type however so Ill leave it to someone with more know that I to mention any conditions or limitations with doing so.
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I’ve heard from several folks that one’s preference is sought at the final interview, with no promises made. The typical courteous/diplomatic response goes along these lines;
”Thanks for asking. I’m keen to join Qantas asap but, if there were to be a choice, I’d say that my family’s location near (eg Sydney) would make that Base more desirable because we wouldn’t need to relocate. However, I would accept any Base I’m offered”.
”Thanks for asking. I’m keen to join Qantas asap but, if there were to be a choice, I’d say that my family’s location near (eg Sydney) would make that Base more desirable because we wouldn’t need to relocate. However, I would accept any Base I’m offered”.
Pure curiosity as I'm not involved with QF...
But, say you accept a SYD 330 SO slot, could you then "bid" to change to PER 787 SO? Or are you now committed to the 330 and it's associates bases?
If you can't bid to a different LH fleet, is it a matter of waiting till you have the seniority to bid for 787 FO?
But, say you accept a SYD 330 SO slot, could you then "bid" to change to PER 787 SO? Or are you now committed to the 330 and it's associates bases?
If you can't bid to a different LH fleet, is it a matter of waiting till you have the seniority to bid for 787 FO?
So in your example of trying to be in Perth, if you were given 330 Syd, I can see 737 FO PER being the only viable/likely bid.
This is the order of what position is considered a promotion, which you have the ability to bid for (provided you aren’t frozen etc). Any sideways movement or demotion is at the company’s discretion. In the current environment, I can’t see any extra training being done, except the over 65’s coming back to the 737.
So in your example of trying to be in Perth, if you were given 330 Syd, I can see 737 FO PER being the only viable/likely bid.
So in your example of trying to be in Perth, if you were given 330 Syd, I can see 737 FO PER being the only viable/likely bid.
Also if you join now on current S/O salary and then bid for a350 in a few years, do you keep the better salary or revert to the a350 sunrise one?
Thanks.
Great question….. No idea.
Probably just future proofing themselves incase the 330 ever disappears and 350’s remain.
Like anyone joining, I’d suggest reading the EBA cover to cover. Rather than relying upon anonymous people hoping they give correct info.
If anyone joins prior to training commencing for 350 SO’s they are on the old 12 year (4 year for 787) pay scales for their entire career. No matter if they change fleet or seat.
However if you join after anyone has been recruited onto the 350, you will be on the new 4 year pay scales for all SO flying you do, regardless of fleet. Only transitioning to the old 12 year (4 year for 787)pay scales for Skipper and FO slots.
Probably just future proofing themselves incase the 330 ever disappears and 350’s remain.
If anyone joins prior to training commencing for 350 SO’s they are on the old 12 year (4 year for 787) pay scales for their entire career. No matter if they change fleet or seat.
However if you join after anyone has been recruited onto the 350, you will be on the new 4 year pay scales for all SO flying you do, regardless of fleet. Only transitioning to the old 12 year (4 year for 787)pay scales for Skipper and FO slots.
SFF = Single Fleet Flying
I can't speak for Qantas, but at some overseas airlines the A350 & A330 are considered a single 'type', with a common type rating. Differences training is required before a pilot is allowed to operate both aircraft.
I can't speak for Qantas, but at some overseas airlines the A350 & A330 are considered a single 'type', with a common type rating. Differences training is required before a pilot is allowed to operate both aircraft.
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Jetstar Engineering Apprenticeship
I have applied for jetstar apprenticeship and have went through to the physcometric test stage however my test wasnt very good prbly around 50%, the deadline closed 4days ago and they have a bonding day on the 29th of august. So do i assume my application has been unsuccessful? As they have not sent any emails since thanks
I have applied for jetstar apprenticeship and have went through to the physcometric test stage however my test wasnt very good prbly around 50%, the deadline closed 4days ago and they have a bonding day on the 29th of august. So do i assume my application has been unsuccessful? As they have not sent any emails since thanks
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People have told me some got on the HF in a week (or even less) but maybe they had courses to fill quickly
Think 3 or so is the normal ?
Have all QF group internal applicants passed their test deadline yet ? (Network , have some mates there & have been leaving them alone to study)
In future how do people imagine Qantas recruitment will work ?
Open every couple of years (Like pre-Covid) , which would make next recruitment 2024 (last was 2018 before this year), or will they do more of a continuous process
Think 3 or so is the normal ?
Have all QF group internal applicants passed their test deadline yet ? (Network , have some mates there & have been leaving them alone to study)
In future how do people imagine Qantas recruitment will work ?
Open every couple of years (Like pre-Covid) , which would make next recruitment 2024 (last was 2018 before this year), or will they do more of a continuous process
I’m told they have enough applications to process for the next two years at least. Unless something remarkable happens they won’t reopen for new applications before then.
It takes ages to get any information or emails back. Could be months, I wouldn't stress. Just be aware the cadetship you are stuck there forever. No PIC, Jetstar contact isn't the best and they work really hard.
If you did the JQ program you wouldn’t be stuck there forever, 1500hrs as an Airbus FO and you can apply to mainline, or meet the minimums for QR or EK among others. Some JQ (and QLink) cadets have already done this so hardly “stuck there”. Outside of some Australian airlines no one cares about PIC time for non DE positions, especially if that PIC is on a lightie.
We can argue about the specific of the JQ contract but I think most would agree if that’s your first aviation job you’re not doing too badly.
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