MERGED: Alan's still not happy......
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IMHO, the mood out there is against Joyce, that he has to take the blame
as he has been in the job 5 years and he'll be gone soon.
as he has been in the job 5 years and he'll be gone soon.
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I meant to add that was from listening to a couple of radio stations and
a variety of newspapers.
In addition, someone made a great comment today that 10, 15 years ago when the I still call Australia home advert was on, everyone felt pride in the airline being the National flag airline and maybe paid a bit more. That has now gone, starting with the shut down by Joyce that pissed a lot of people off - the beginning of the end as he said.
a variety of newspapers.
In addition, someone made a great comment today that 10, 15 years ago when the I still call Australia home advert was on, everyone felt pride in the airline being the National flag airline and maybe paid a bit more. That has now gone, starting with the shut down by Joyce that pissed a lot of people off - the beginning of the end as he said.
Clearly, the Jetstar invasion of our northern neighbours has gone horribly wrong. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been lost with barely an acknowledgment anything is amiss. Joyce came from Jetstar five years ago and is a relentless promoter of its expansion. A weak board had meekly acquiesced to this Asian mess.
If it is true Jetstar wanted to base an operation in Hong Kong and then bought aircraft to fly passengers for that operation without first getting the OK from the Chinese authorities, a huge and expensive error has been made. If it is true 11 planes are sitting on the tarmac in Toulouse at a cost of $400,000 a plane a month, then Qantas will bleed more than $50m a year for no result.
The price here is paid by the innocent, not the guilty. Five thousand employees will lose their jobs. Five thousand families will face an uncertain future through no fault of their own.
Further to this, Joyce announced pay and bonus freezes. Surely he and his senior staff are not going to accept a 'frozen' bonus anytime soon......surely?
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UNIONS have emerged from crisis talks with Qantas, claiming chief executive Alan Joyce has “no strategy” and has been “bleeding the company dry” with executive pay increases.
Front page of The Australian.
This is about to get interesting, so where is Clifford to answer some questions?
Front page of The Australian.
This is about to get interesting, so where is Clifford to answer some questions?
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You mention unions.
IMHO, the comments from some of the Union head honchos have come across quite well and they all / most seem to stress when asked by the media (pushed more like !) that Strike action NOT on the cards but is always an option. I think the media was hoping they would :roll eyes:
IMHO, the comments from some of the Union head honchos have come across quite well and they all / most seem to stress when asked by the media (pushed more like !) that Strike action NOT on the cards but is always an option. I think the media was hoping they would :roll eyes:
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To be frank, why has Richo left these comments to now?
Like all the other commentators and analysts, he's waited until now before speaking up.
His comments are just what was previously known everyone else, so it' s a bit rich of Richo to come out now and say " yes, you were right about Joyce."
It would have been more credible to take Joyce on weeks ago and moreover, he could have lobbied his friends to put much more pressure on Joyce along the way.
Like all the other commentators and analysts, he's waited until now before speaking up.
His comments are just what was previously known everyone else, so it' s a bit rich of Richo to come out now and say " yes, you were right about Joyce."
It would have been more credible to take Joyce on weeks ago and moreover, he could have lobbied his friends to put much more pressure on Joyce along the way.
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Both of you are correct.
There is a flock at Narita yet to be used on a revenue flight. Last time I counted about 5 parked outside the JAL hangar at the southern end of RWY34L. My spies tell me that they don't have enough pilots and that they also have not yet gained JCAB approval to open a second hub at KIX. Apparently they had an issue with some engineering and maintenance procedures that earned them a wrap over the knuckles. I think Jetstar Japan has about 17 a/c in total with only about 12 flying.
The flock at Toulouse is mainly for the HK mis-adventure.I am not sure how many but half a dozen sounds about right.
Both of you are correct.
There is a flock at Narita yet to be used on a revenue flight. Last time I counted about 5 parked outside the JAL hangar at the southern end of RWY34L. My spies tell me that they don't have enough pilots and that they also have not yet gained JCAB approval to open a second hub at KIX. Apparently they had an issue with some engineering and maintenance procedures that earned them a wrap over the knuckles. I think Jetstar Japan has about 17 a/c in total with only about 12 flying.
The flock at Toulouse is mainly for the HK mis-adventure.I am not sure how many but half a dozen sounds about right.
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The announcement referred to "the equivalent of 5000 full-time positions". In fact far more than 5000 jobs will go after part-time positions are accounted for.
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Alan Joyce
Sky News AM Agenda 28.2.14
"Now there's talk about the Qantas Sales Act being changed and that will certainly fix the issue in the medium to long term. As long at the Firb (Foreign Investment Review Board) issues around potentially SOE's (state owned enterprises) investing in Qantas is also addressed"
This is the first I've heard of Joyce actually saying why he wants the QF Sales Act amended. To the lay person it may have easily been missed with Alan's use of the terms FIRB & SOE's.
Is this Alan's grand plan?
Complain about an un level playing field brought about State Owned Enterprises.
Mismanage the Qantas business to put it in precarious financial position.
Pressure the Australian Government to amend the QF Sales Act, to allow a foreign takeover by the very entities he's complaining about.
BTW. Interesting choice of location for the live interview. AJ standing in front of the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Last time I recall Alan conducting an interview in front of the bridge was in 2011 when Red Q was being touted. Alan was telling us "Our future's in Asia".
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Sky News AM Agenda 28.2.14
"Now there's talk about the Qantas Sales Act being changed and that will certainly fix the issue in the medium to long term. As long at the Firb (Foreign Investment Review Board) issues around potentially SOE's (state owned enterprises) investing in Qantas is also addressed"
This is the first I've heard of Joyce actually saying why he wants the QF Sales Act amended. To the lay person it may have easily been missed with Alan's use of the terms FIRB & SOE's.
Is this Alan's grand plan?
Complain about an un level playing field brought about State Owned Enterprises.
Mismanage the Qantas business to put it in precarious financial position.
Pressure the Australian Government to amend the QF Sales Act, to allow a foreign takeover by the very entities he's complaining about.
BTW. Interesting choice of location for the live interview. AJ standing in front of the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Last time I recall Alan conducting an interview in front of the bridge was in 2011 when Red Q was being touted. Alan was telling us "Our future's in Asia".
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"Pressure the Australian Government to amend the QF Sales Act, to allow a foreign takeover by the very entities he's complaining about."
It is making the take over offer from that group a few years back look very very attractive now.
It is making the take over offer from that group a few years back look very very attractive now.
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One tried and proven method is the Gordian Knot solution.
Put the company into administration which should allow a restructure of the business and rid itself of the cancers, then almost everybody could get to work.
Maybe not on the luxury salaries but at least with a job.
Put the company into administration which should allow a restructure of the business and rid itself of the cancers, then almost everybody could get to work.
Maybe not on the luxury salaries but at least with a job.
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when the I still call Australia home advert was on, everyone felt pride in the airline being the National flag airline
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Once it is lost it is very hard to get the mojo back again as new relationships have been built.
Even I am starting to lose it a bit, Qantas club not being available as one thing I have noticed, having to fly Jetstar although the prices are better.
Even I am starting to lose it a bit, Qantas club not being available as one thing I have noticed, having to fly Jetstar although the prices are better.
To be frank, why has Richo left these comments to now?
Like all the other commentators and analysts, he's waited until now before speaking up.
Like all the other commentators and analysts, he's waited until now before speaking up.
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The silence from Clifford is defening. As much as Joyce should go, the board at the ones making these decisions - the CEO is just the public face of it. Clifford should be grilled by the media - but that won't happen
Has anyone ever estimated the costs of :
Might be of interest to the Media and might come close to covering the missing $2Billion
- bungled, postponed or cancelled Qantas projects? e.g. aircraft sitting around, costs of Asian adventure etc
- inefficient aircraft choices
- route cancellations
- inefficient management structure
- inefficient governance structure
- shrinking the network
- damage to the brand
- dilution of the product
Might be of interest to the Media and might come close to covering the missing $2Billion
There are many times that Joyce, like Dixon before him, tell the same old story.
I just read this article,
Qantas sells off defence arm | News.com.au
and thought, this is old news and I know someone there who told me about the sale last year.
So, I found this,
Qantas announces sale of QDS to Northrop Grumman Australia | Australian Aviation Magazine
I know the new piece does say 'finalised' but if that is the case, he could have told the world of it yesterday to prove that he was working on turning the airline around, not like the press would have gone and searched for the previous article !! Maybe Olivia is working against him now?
I just read this article,
Qantas sells off defence arm
1 HOUR AGO FEBRUARY 28, 2014 3:01PM
QANTAS has finalised the sale of its defence arm to the local subsidiary of US defence and aerospace firm Northrop Grumman.
Under the deal, Northrop Grumman Australia acquires Qantas Defence Services, a business with a turnover around $100 million last year, for a reported $80 million.
This sale was foreshadowed in August last year.
Qantas Defence Services will now be called Northrop Grumman Integrated Defence Services.
"Northrop Grumman IDS enhances our in-country footprint and local capabilities and demonstrates our commitment to the Australian and regional defence markets," Ian Irving, North Grumman Australia chief executive, said in a statement.
"We expect this to be an important platform for international growth in our key focus areas of unmanned, cyber, C4ISR, and logistics and modernisation."
Qantas Defence Services employed about 500 people with contracts to support a range of RAAF aircraft and systems. The company also leases and maintains the RAAF's two Boeing VIP transport aircraft.
1 HOUR AGO FEBRUARY 28, 2014 3:01PM
QANTAS has finalised the sale of its defence arm to the local subsidiary of US defence and aerospace firm Northrop Grumman.
Under the deal, Northrop Grumman Australia acquires Qantas Defence Services, a business with a turnover around $100 million last year, for a reported $80 million.
This sale was foreshadowed in August last year.
Qantas Defence Services will now be called Northrop Grumman Integrated Defence Services.
"Northrop Grumman IDS enhances our in-country footprint and local capabilities and demonstrates our commitment to the Australian and regional defence markets," Ian Irving, North Grumman Australia chief executive, said in a statement.
"We expect this to be an important platform for international growth in our key focus areas of unmanned, cyber, C4ISR, and logistics and modernisation."
Qantas Defence Services employed about 500 people with contracts to support a range of RAAF aircraft and systems. The company also leases and maintains the RAAF's two Boeing VIP transport aircraft.
and thought, this is old news and I know someone there who told me about the sale last year.
So, I found this,
Qantas announces sale of QDS to Northrop Grumman Australia
Item by australianaviation.com.au at 10:08 am, Thursday August 29 2013
Item by australianaviation.com.au at 10:08 am, Thursday August 29 2013
I know the new piece does say 'finalised' but if that is the case, he could have told the world of it yesterday to prove that he was working on turning the airline around, not like the press would have gone and searched for the previous article !! Maybe Olivia is working against him now?
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Joyce & Clifford the blame
But the problem is that Joyce - and the board - seem to blame everything but the company for the mess it is in. And many of the problems are self inflicted. The blame game includes intense competitor capacity from international airlines, record fuel prices, a ''distortion'' in the domestic market due to the emergence of Virgin Australia and high labour costs.
Read more: Qantas moves to crash through
Read more: Qantas moves to crash through
You should all be calling for the coward to front up, loud & clear... chant it, if it comes to that..
Still today we have 2000 people who don't know if they have a job or not.
2000 Qantas workers don't know their fate
Unacceptable and Unprofessional, very badly handled so far. Joyce says he has the full support of the board, therefore Clifford is the blame, must go.. poor execution of strategy..
It's a bit like when Joyce woke up and decided to ground the airline... they forgot to stop selling tickets.... overlooked it.. if this goes on much longer with Clifford at the wheel, we won't have a Qantas.. he's a nineties boy, out of date. No more time to play games for this board and their band of CEO's, they are all past the use by date...
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