MERGED: Alan's still not happy......
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Is that true angryrat? Did someone have a heart attack in D Building? I can't say I am surprised, weeks and weeks building up and still no answers
The town hall was a joke too - notice all the security people around. That is the real reason the presser was done in the Westin - to stay as far away from the staff
The town hall was a joke too - notice all the security people around. That is the real reason the presser was done in the Westin - to stay as far away from the staff
These numbers can only be obtained by shutting down parts of the business. Stay tuned, it could be a section near you.
Cairns job cuts as Queensland unions blast Qantas
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These numbers can only be obtained by shutting down parts of the business. Stay tuned, it could be a section near you.
Joyce's relentless desire to punish the government for the "Qantas sale act" is yet another reason the airline is bleeding money.
Qantas will never be a "premium" airline, there is too much competition. Stop the sham before its too late.
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The only route cut appears to be PERSIN. MEL LHR to be retimed to reduce ground time in LHR. All SIN services to be operated by A330s
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Unfortunately it is true
The whole thing today (including the lead up) has been very badly MIS- Managed
amateurs, Management & the Government on both sides. We are dealing with human's, thousands of them, many still worrying whether they have a job or not... What has Australia become? It's good to go back to the live press conference from the ABC news 24 Questions.. by now the various news outlets have edited their segments up to suit their themes etc for their outlets.. the live pieces disappear..
more to follow
Sorry that I'm a bit slow with the uploads... I doing it with the YouTube 15 min restrictions placed on me by Q management because they banned my upload of the 2013 AGM podcast....
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Hmmmm! There is so much wrong on many fronts today. QF could have been rebirthed today with a vision, instead a version of the 'Alamo' strategy was wheeled out. Ie circle the wagons!!! The market confirmed this view today!! The only hope for QF is to remove the CEO (which is a shame because he actually means well) and Clifford (he is the real problem) and set in chain the succession plan (there will be a plan). The preoccupation with JQ and its expansion has ruined QF.
short flights long nights
I just watched Joyce. It is the same stuff he has being saying for years, blaming the same things.
Let's face it, the only plan he has is to cut cut cut, until there is nothing left.
Let's face it, the only plan he has is to cut cut cut, until there is nothing left.
QF
All this sounds familiar to me here in UK. BA went through this scenario some time ago. Huge unsustainable losses, high costs, and some very restrictive work practices. QF also have the very high Aus $ to contend with. The early A380 buy probably a bad move, as the later twin jets far more cost effective
When restructuring and productivity requirements requested, the CEO Willie Walsh also vilified by the union led minority who wanted no change.
Luckily most employees saw sense and backed the Company. The main Union opposing change, Unite, backed the cabin crew who went on strike. As the majority of other staff supported the Company many voluntary ground staff and flight crew were trained up as temporary crew. The strike, poorly supported soon collapsed.
BA is now in healthy profit and a Brand leader.
BA also find it hard to make profits on the Aus route having recently dropped the B744 to a B777 on the Syd with its much lower fuel and crew costs.
When restructuring and productivity requirements requested, the CEO Willie Walsh also vilified by the union led minority who wanted no change.
Luckily most employees saw sense and backed the Company. The main Union opposing change, Unite, backed the cabin crew who went on strike. As the majority of other staff supported the Company many voluntary ground staff and flight crew were trained up as temporary crew. The strike, poorly supported soon collapsed.
BA is now in healthy profit and a Brand leader.
BA also find it hard to make profits on the Aus route having recently dropped the B744 to a B777 on the Syd with its much lower fuel and crew costs.
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All this sounds familiar to me here in UK. BA went through this scenario some time ago.
I think all this "sounds familar" to the CFO as well, he's right on cue with the lines... reminds me of the Ayling years lead up time before he was dumped and replaced by Rod Eddington... Ayling did a great job running down BA. Again hindsight is a wonderful thing, replace the name Ayling with Joyce and I think we have the same staged show being replayed here in Oz
Ayling left British Airways with £2m payoff - Telegraph
anyway part two of the Australian version here
and Steve P's reply
more to come
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There is a very appropriate statement I saw that a friend of mine found .. It relates to Science but is appropriate here .... In essence, the truth is the truth ... no matter what twisted view you might have. If you don't want to suffer the disaster that your twisted view of reality will condemn you to, then search for that truth.
From what I've seen from the trolls around the place, there are an amazing number of people who need to stop and think "what is the truth".
Of course some here will say that I have a twisted view .. just like all the other professionals that strive to make Qantas great. I feel sorry for those naysayers, they obviously do not know the passion .. knowing the history and great accomplishments that have gone before us. Yes, Evolution is a fact (Sorry Texas) and we always need to stay abreast.
BUT
.. at the moment? ... the plan does not seem to be a plan but a "thought bubble" ...
Oh .. those Unions ... those knuckle draggers ... let's see ... Nathan and Steve .. obvious thugs and low-lives .. let me guess .. IQ .. er 130 to 140 each? And you know what? They are each enthused with the passion to make Qantas great.
So how is it that with that passion, QF staff are demonised?
?
You have control ....
N
From what I've seen from the trolls around the place, there are an amazing number of people who need to stop and think "what is the truth".
Of course some here will say that I have a twisted view .. just like all the other professionals that strive to make Qantas great. I feel sorry for those naysayers, they obviously do not know the passion .. knowing the history and great accomplishments that have gone before us. Yes, Evolution is a fact (Sorry Texas) and we always need to stay abreast.
BUT
.. at the moment? ... the plan does not seem to be a plan but a "thought bubble" ...
Oh .. those Unions ... those knuckle draggers ... let's see ... Nathan and Steve .. obvious thugs and low-lives .. let me guess .. IQ .. er 130 to 140 each? And you know what? They are each enthused with the passion to make Qantas great.
So how is it that with that passion, QF staff are demonised?
?
You have control ....
N
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start with dropping their qantas 'thinking'
How on earth can CSMs, Senior FAs for QA earn (after 'allowances') take home up to 100K per annum, when their competition do the same role for 60K pa. Throw in 45 min turnarounds (vs 30 mins) for the same job!!!!
It's small, but it's so simple and would make huge in-roads. Yet they just assume it's "what we do".
Newsflash Dinosaurs, it'll be "what you ALL do" when you're lining up at Centrelink unless you get serious.
Harden up, realise the completion and stop blaming the Gov't or the competitor who fly literally the same wheels.
Sorry, I must have missed something.
It's small, but it's so simple and would make huge in-roads. Yet they just assume it's "what we do".
Newsflash Dinosaurs, it'll be "what you ALL do" when you're lining up at Centrelink unless you get serious.
Harden up, realise the completion and stop blaming the Gov't or the competitor who fly literally the same wheels.
Sorry, I must have missed something.
QF, welcome to the global village!
Qantas is not unique by any means in losing money and staff etc due to the conditions and the inroads of the Gulf carriers..
Indian airlines combined losses for 2013 were US$1.9Bn. Malaysia lost $300M and even SQ was in the red.
Why do we think Qantas is unique?
Reuters) - French airline Air France announced 2,800 fresh job cuts on Wednesday to help cope with weak air travel demand as it heads towards its sixth consecutive annual operating loss.
The carrier said it would no longer reach its target to break even this year, but said it was "imperative" to achieve that in 2014.
"We are in a period of weak demand," Chief Executive Frederic Gagey told a news conference. "We have felt the full brunt of the cyclicality of air transport."
Air France has been hurt by the impact of Europe's economic woes on demand for air travel, soaring fuel costs, and aggressive competition from low-cost carriers in the region and Gulf carriers on long-haul routes.
The head of rival IAG (ICAG.L), parent of British Airways and Spain's Iberia, Willie Walsh, said on Tuesday that European airlines would have to cut costs at their short-haul businesses to compete with budget airlines or struggle to stay aloft.
Traditional network carriers are cutting jobs, renegotiating staff contracts and dropping uncompetitive routes.
Air France is already cutting around 5,120 out of 49,300 staff on French contracts by the end of 2013 as part of plans unveiled in June last year.
Air France added on Wednesday that it would further reduce capacity on French point-to-point routes out of Paris Orly airport and in its regional bases, while it would develop its Transavia European unit.
The carrier also said it would retire its Boeing (BA.N) 747 freighters from its cargo fleet by 2015. It will stop flying the jumbo aircraft on passenger services in parallel.
The carrier said it would no longer reach its target to break even this year, but said it was "imperative" to achieve that in 2014.
"We are in a period of weak demand," Chief Executive Frederic Gagey told a news conference. "We have felt the full brunt of the cyclicality of air transport."
Air France has been hurt by the impact of Europe's economic woes on demand for air travel, soaring fuel costs, and aggressive competition from low-cost carriers in the region and Gulf carriers on long-haul routes.
The head of rival IAG (ICAG.L), parent of British Airways and Spain's Iberia, Willie Walsh, said on Tuesday that European airlines would have to cut costs at their short-haul businesses to compete with budget airlines or struggle to stay aloft.
Traditional network carriers are cutting jobs, renegotiating staff contracts and dropping uncompetitive routes.
Air France is already cutting around 5,120 out of 49,300 staff on French contracts by the end of 2013 as part of plans unveiled in June last year.
Air France added on Wednesday that it would further reduce capacity on French point-to-point routes out of Paris Orly airport and in its regional bases, while it would develop its Transavia European unit.
The carrier also said it would retire its Boeing (BA.N) 747 freighters from its cargo fleet by 2015. It will stop flying the jumbo aircraft on passenger services in parallel.
Why do we think Qantas is unique?
I suspect you're referring to Richard Feynman's comments about the Challenger accident:
""For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled."
""For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled."