Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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The air of moral superiority on this thread is fairly hard to stomach.
200 odd guys are going out the gate regardless of how much or little overtime anyone works. Namecalling of those that choose to put a few extra dollars into the bank account is pretty childish, and disappointing to hear from our representatives.
200 odd guys are going out the gate regardless of how much or little overtime anyone works. Namecalling of those that choose to put a few extra dollars into the bank account is pretty childish, and disappointing to hear from our representatives.
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Fedsec, following your and others advice on this forum, will NOT stop the culling of one job let alone 200+ jobs. No matter what is done or isn't done, be it as it may, will not change the end game.
All the unity of the "brothers" won't change or stop a thing. How about the ALAEA and the other unions stand together. There seems to be a gap the size of a 747 between you guys. When you guys can get your act together, then maybe the workers will also.
It's all very well for people to get up on their soap boxes and preach the "morals" of doing work or not doing work, especially when their job isn't at risk.
How about focussing on the BIGGER picture, and not just the O/T?
All the unity of the "brothers" won't change or stop a thing. How about the ALAEA and the other unions stand together. There seems to be a gap the size of a 747 between you guys. When you guys can get your act together, then maybe the workers will also.
It's all very well for people to get up on their soap boxes and preach the "morals" of doing work or not doing work, especially when their job isn't at risk.
How about focussing on the BIGGER picture, and not just the O/T?
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I think I get it. Company sacks 50 more than they need to then they rely on overtime to get the planes out on time. If people didn't work that overtime, what would happen FedSec? Do you think it may prevent a follow up round to save others the indignity of the unemployment queue?
People will not be selected to go based on how much overtime they do.
How many people Qantas are able to release (that is sack) will be based on how many greedy pr1cks continue to work excessive overtime.
We are finding it extremely difficult to push for a 35 hour week to save jobs when some people work more that 50 hours in a week.
It's time for some of our members to start thinking about more than just themselves.
How many people Qantas are able to release (that is sack) will be based on how many greedy pr1cks continue to work excessive overtime.
We are finding it extremely difficult to push for a 35 hour week to save jobs when some people work more that 50 hours in a week.
It's time for some of our members to start thinking about more than just themselves.
I've sat a watched this thread for a while and stayed out of the debate. I thought the call to cull 204 Syd Engineers would be enough of a wake up for some people here to work things out but apparently that is not the case. This is not a moral issue. This is about common sense. If you wanna run away and pretend it is ok to cut the grass of your workmates, go ahead and do it. It will cost you all your jobs and I think that is more important than being called a name by someone who is a Representative. I am your Representative and I am telling you, excessive overtime costs jobs. If I need to insult you to wake you up then so be it, you need this advice because the obvious seems to have gone over your head. Now let’s take a look at things.
From what I understand, each day there are at least 10 people doing full shift call ins. That's 120 hours a day or 840 a week. 22 people will lose their jobs if this is maintained. That is, 22 of your workmates will not get a bloody cent in their accounts after they are sacked because of overtime others are working. Now I assume that most of you are pretty intelligent. Try using my methods to work out how many people would lose their jobs if more than 10 people on average each day do 12 hour call ins. Remember a standard week is 38 hours.
You can sit around and pretend that 20 hours a week is bad but 12 is ok. You can pat each other on the back and stand together in defiance of the nasty people who are calling you names. You can even sit there and accept Excel Awards presented by Ashley Parnel for all I care. But don't think I will have any sympathy for you though if what you are doing is depriving another Engineer from feeding his family.
From what I understand, each day there are at least 10 people doing full shift call ins. That's 120 hours a day or 840 a week. 22 people will lose their jobs if this is maintained. That is, 22 of your workmates will not get a bloody cent in their accounts after they are sacked because of overtime others are working. Now I assume that most of you are pretty intelligent. Try using my methods to work out how many people would lose their jobs if more than 10 people on average each day do 12 hour call ins. Remember a standard week is 38 hours.
You can sit around and pretend that 20 hours a week is bad but 12 is ok. You can pat each other on the back and stand together in defiance of the nasty people who are calling you names. You can even sit there and accept Excel Awards presented by Ashley Parnel for all I care. But don't think I will have any sympathy for you though if what you are doing is depriving another Engineer from feeding his family.
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Would have been an interesting day at ALG Head office it went something like this F^&king Qantas have F&*king screwed us . 
Yesterdays advertisements now removed now the question is what's going to happen to current ALG employees now .
Yesterdays advertisements now removed now the question is what's going to happen to current ALG employees now .
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Quote QF94
How about focussing on the big picture and not the o/t ...
gee that sounds vaguely familiar 94
Ill just run this by every body, still work the same amount of o/t,
however take the same amount of sick leave, people get double
dollars,you get paid for your sick leave, but the roster is effectively
bought back to neutral hours or standard time worked. To spell it out
the people working the o/t only fill in the sick leave void.
I bet the situation wouldnt last a week before they realise they
cannot afford to have another round of redundancies or even
let go the amount allocated for this round.
AJ was bleating to the press ( and got plenty of air time ) about
death by a thousand cu@ts or a slow bake, but now their doing the
same to the engineers and nothing is said. Maybe the people in the
media/journos are starting to feel the same pain, with their layoffs.
What comes around goes around .
How about focussing on the big picture and not the o/t ...
gee that sounds vaguely familiar 94
Ill just run this by every body, still work the same amount of o/t,
however take the same amount of sick leave, people get double
dollars,you get paid for your sick leave, but the roster is effectively
bought back to neutral hours or standard time worked. To spell it out
the people working the o/t only fill in the sick leave void.
I bet the situation wouldnt last a week before they realise they
cannot afford to have another round of redundancies or even
let go the amount allocated for this round.
AJ was bleating to the press ( and got plenty of air time ) about
death by a thousand cu@ts or a slow bake, but now their doing the
same to the engineers and nothing is said. Maybe the people in the
media/journos are starting to feel the same pain, with their layoffs.
What comes around goes around .
With quotes like the above don't be surprised when Qantas PR trots them out as complete justification as they have done in the past, for what they are doing now. Bottom line discussing of any 'plans' on this forum is stupid. But I see it time and again so I guess we're slow learners.
My advice is stay professional don't bring the profession into disrepute. The last thing I want on my future resume when they sack me is a tainted previous profession I seemingly have wasted my working life on.
My advice is stay professional don't bring the profession into disrepute. The last thing I want on my future resume when they sack me is a tainted previous profession I seemingly have wasted my working life on.
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It seems that everyone has an opinion and advice on what should and shouldn't be stated on this forum in relation to the culling in Engineering. Quite frankly you can all write a thesis if you want but the reality is no-one is "imposing" anything on anyone and even if one tried it wouldn't make any difference.
We are all worried about the "right here right now" and couldn't give a rats about the future or any prospects for the next generation of our kind.
The stampede to work overtime whilst our mates are being necked is a typical example of our lack of credibility when it comes to supporting one another and regardless if someone can do with the extra dough.....it's indefensible. Qantas know how weak we are when we feel threatened and they're simply using this strategy, with our capitulation, to achieve their aim.
If this is the type of example we are setting for others who may one day fill our shoes, then I for one hang my head in shame.
We are all worried about the "right here right now" and couldn't give a rats about the future or any prospects for the next generation of our kind.
The stampede to work overtime whilst our mates are being necked is a typical example of our lack of credibility when it comes to supporting one another and regardless if someone can do with the extra dough.....it's indefensible. Qantas know how weak we are when we feel threatened and they're simply using this strategy, with our capitulation, to achieve their aim.
If this is the type of example we are setting for others who may one day fill our shoes, then I for one hang my head in shame.
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Where is the like button?
No not for you qf94 or 6000-ot.
No not for you qf94 or 6000-ot.
I can only laugh at the faceless screen names that can only come up with the above as their best.
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If yesterday was anything to go by it certainly is going to be a whole different world post cull.
Masses of holes in the licence coverage, composite crews with no avionic coverage meant ame's did nothing all day. No licence coverage for aircraft at all meant checks not started for up to 6 hours after arrival.
Masses of holes in the licence coverage, composite crews with no avionic coverage meant ame's did nothing all day. No licence coverage for aircraft at all meant checks not started for up to 6 hours after arrival.
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QF94, an interesting concept.....
QF94,
Finally there is some wisdom for all of us. A need to be liked is what forms a healthy social community. It lends a moral responsibilty to the collective. Social accountability then forms and shapes what the vast majority accept as desirable behavioral protocols. Over a period of time, the standards of interactive behaviour and respect grow in quality and adhesion. And then.......
And then there are the black sheep. Who do they become?
KR747
A person who needs to be liked
And then there are the black sheep. Who do they become?
KR747
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Acute Instinct... love your work! 
QF94 et al.. whether those of us who choose not to feed at the OT trough say anything or not you will go on your merry way irrespective.
Why do you care what anyone else thinks anyway, afterall you have a right to do what you consider appropriate don't you?
I understand that everyone's circumstances are different, and who couldn't use a little extra cash at this time of year? On the other hand, if there is the slightest chance that what I do could affect the livelihoods of my colleagues, in a climate such as this, then perhaps I should give pause and consider the implications.
I would never be so rude as to show my frustration to those who come in and work OT on my crew but I'll make a mental note, and in the unlikely event that I survive this cull I'll know who hasn't got my back.
QF94 et al.. whether those of us who choose not to feed at the OT trough say anything or not you will go on your merry way irrespective.
Why do you care what anyone else thinks anyway, afterall you have a right to do what you consider appropriate don't you?
I understand that everyone's circumstances are different, and who couldn't use a little extra cash at this time of year? On the other hand, if there is the slightest chance that what I do could affect the livelihoods of my colleagues, in a climate such as this, then perhaps I should give pause and consider the implications.
I would never be so rude as to show my frustration to those who come in and work OT on my crew but I'll make a mental note, and in the unlikely event that I survive this cull I'll know who hasn't got my back.
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I would never be so rude as to show my frustration to those who come in and work OT on my crew but I'll make a mental note, and in the unlikely event that I survive this cull I'll know who hasn't got my back.
Or are we just focussed on the easy targets? You're right though, I care for other people's opinions as much as they care about mine. In the big scheme of things, we're all Jacks.
Doing O/T is not affecting anyone's livelihoods. The inevitable will happen, whether it's done or not.
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QF94, if someone is relieving at an out station, presumably they cover his/her absence with overtime if required. Same for people acting in higher roles. I don't get asked to fill in at out stations, I don't get asked to act in higher duties, but I do from time to time get asked if I am available to work overtime. This is something I can control.
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