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Watched Joyce on Sky News this morning-he should give up being a CEO and open a restaurant instead-he does great line in waffle.
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#qantas Bussell in trouble. Contradictions ahoy!
Sux when you have to take an oath before talking……..just a shame Olivia isn't needed in the stand…….
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skies are unusually quiet over sydney tonight, Airservices must be relieved... now maybe they can sort out th issues in WA with the mining company aircraft schedules. 
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What happens then? ... buggered if I know.
ie. QF must ground all 767s due to poor advanced bookings, then all 747s grounded same reason, Qf International will fly LHR & LAX only, team a380 will be the only engineers to survive the cull, A licenses will run the domestic.
JQ fly to RedQ hub where all the 787 call home.
20,000 QF staff dumped and on the dole queue.
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skies are unusually quiet over sydney tonight, Airservices must be relieved... now maybe they can sort out th issues in WA with the mining company aircraft schedules. 
Every now and again a gem comes along
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just posted on another thread by sfde
Extraordinary.
Just watched an interview which AJ admitted that the failed take over bid would have been a mistake and that hindsight shows this. Hindsight also shows that the executive should have purchased B777s and that freight cartels and Vietnam are a bad idea. Even their mighty Jetstar plan has seriously damaged their international product apparently.
I am having trouble finding an executive decision that in hindsight has been a good move.
I am having trouble finding an executive decision that in hindsight has been a good move.
PAF.
Thanks for the tip. 
1. I still can't see where I said 'unions should run the company'.
2. My post was my idea of 'good faith'; not what you describe.
3. 96% evidently does not ensure good faith either! Are they all amoral? I know what I think.
I did not mention anyone specific, and I but I reckon my proposed 'good faith' would garner far more respect and success for the company than their current behaviour. Perpetually saying 'no' is not negotiating. AIPA representatives have, since 1966 until now, always reached agreement with the company without industrial action.
and..
"The idea that people like SP choose the pay and conditions you work under, and will inflict wounds on a company until they agree is incorrect. The idea that it's 'bargaining in good faith' for people like SP to propose something a little beyond what he's after and expect the airline to accept 90% of what he asked for is incorrect."
but you seem to be saying that the company can continually say 'no', without any constructive counter-offer or credible and truthful explanation, and that is ok.
Just saying the cow is sick does not make it so. If it were as sick as they would have us believe, it would be easily and transparently verifiable.
I say it's dogma at it most cynical...
1. I still can't see where I said 'unions should run the company'.
2. My post was my idea of 'good faith'; not what you describe.
3. 96% evidently does not ensure good faith either! Are they all amoral? I know what I think.
I did not mention anyone specific, and I but I reckon my proposed 'good faith' would garner far more respect and success for the company than their current behaviour. Perpetually saying 'no' is not negotiating. AIPA representatives have, since 1966 until now, always reached agreement with the company without industrial action.
and..
"The idea that people like SP choose the pay and conditions you work under, and will inflict wounds on a company until they agree is incorrect. The idea that it's 'bargaining in good faith' for people like SP to propose something a little beyond what he's after and expect the airline to accept 90% of what he asked for is incorrect."
but you seem to be saying that the company can continually say 'no', without any constructive counter-offer or credible and truthful explanation, and that is ok.
Just saying the cow is sick does not make it so. If it were as sick as they would have us believe, it would be easily and transparently verifiable.
I say it's dogma at it most cynical...
Just watched an interview which AJ admitted that the failed take over bid would have been a mistake and that hindsight shows this. Hindsight also shows that the executive should have purchased B777s and that freight cartels and Vietnam are a bad idea. Even their mighty Jetstar plan has seriously damaged their international product apparently.
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Just watched an interview which AJ admitted that the failed take over bid would have been a mistake and that hindsight shows this
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At some stage though you will need to accept that a lot of people aren't willing to pay what you demand.
Seems they have no trouble paying the board, CEO and top management tier whatever feel they deserve though right?
Leadership by example P.A.F. Not too much to ask is it?
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If ticket prices are reducing whilst employees ask for higher wages
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PAF~ The Great Pontificator
PAF you offer no cogent deductive argument.
What you offer is opinion~your opinion
You poke, you prod in order to incite
You seem to have a rudimentary education and a reasonable command of the english language.(as do most pre pubescent children)
Apart from satisfying your own childish need for entertainment you contribute nothing to this or any other debate.
These are serious matters that concern serious people and as such have no place for dilettante poltroons such as yourself
What you offer is opinion~your opinion
You poke, you prod in order to incite
You seem to have a rudimentary education and a reasonable command of the english language.(as do most pre pubescent children)
Apart from satisfying your own childish need for entertainment you contribute nothing to this or any other debate.
These are serious matters that concern serious people and as such have no place for dilettante poltroons such as yourself
If people aren't aware
Twitter
That guy is giving a blow by blow account of the hearing currently underway.
And would it be possible to ban from this thread the people who cant focus on the issue and keep bleeting the same **** - PAF would be first.
That guy is giving a blow by blow account of the hearing currently underway.
And would it be possible to ban from this thread the people who cant focus on the issue and keep bleeting the same **** - PAF would be first.
Pardon???
Did someone say something? I can't hear you, PAF You are being added to everyone's ignore list faster than AJ's teeth are rotting.
In case anyone missed it...
Sick of Pass-A-Frozzo?
1. Login to PPrune
2. Click "User CP"
3. Click "Edit ignore list"
4. Cut and paste "Pass-A-Frozzo" and click "Okay"
F**k off troll
Now, back to discussing Australian jobs for Australian workers...
Did someone say something? I can't hear you, PAF
You are being added to everyone's ignore list faster than AJ's teeth are rotting.In case anyone missed it...
Sick of Pass-A-Frozzo?
1. Login to PPrune
2. Click "User CP"
3. Click "Edit ignore list"
4. Cut and paste "Pass-A-Frozzo" and click "Okay"
F**k off troll