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Old 9th Aug 2011, 04:47
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The Gold Coast business group is utterly stuffed Monster, in fact the Goldie is stuffed. Right now they need as many tourists that they can get, regardless of what flight they come in on. The amount of people using J class on QF did not warrant them staying. The Goldie is not a commercial or industrial city, its basically tourism that keeps it going. Whilst I agree and would like to see QF keep a base there, it does not warrant it. The Goldie is really suffering with the downturn, a lot of jobs lost, a lot of small business's are really struggling, and its one angry town. Me, I am a farm boy from the Hunter, would go back tomorrow, but cannot shift the missus.
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Theresa,

Go back to the Gold Coast or the Hunter?
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Jack, the NTL airport spins me out. For years it struggled, to close to Sydney, not enough pax to give it any creed, any airline that flew in there failed, and all of a sudden it is hitting its straps. If SYD needs another airport the Hunter are crying out, look at me, look at me. The problem, transport. The chance of a very fast train, zilch, buses can do Sydney in 80 minutes (depending on traffic) nearly say NRT, SFO, JFK. I am a Hunter lad, and feel NTL has a future. It has it all, beaches, vineyards, beautiful scenery, affordable housing, it has to go ahead.
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The Gold Coast business group is utterly stuffed Monster, in fact the Goldie is stuffed. Right now they need as many tourists that they can get, regardless of what flight they come in on. The amount of people using J class on QF did not warrant them staying. The Goldie is not a commercial or industrial city, its basically tourism that keeps it going. Whilst I agree and would like to see QF keep a base there, it does not warrant it. The Goldie is really suffering with the downturn, a lot of jobs lost, a lot of small business's are really struggling, and its one angry town.
What about the other 6 years?

PS I agree about NTL. It's going places. If I wasn't about to be made redundant I'd consider buying a nice little unit up there.
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 11:41
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Teresa, the RAAF has had a gutful of the way the civil flights are causing disruption to military flying ops at RAAF Base Williamtown. The "nice guy" move by the RAAF to allow a small amount of civilian flights to operate through the RAAF airfield has been repaid by incessant demands for more access. The disruption that is currently being experienced has resulted in a firm decision not to allow any further increase in flights and there may even be a reduction in civilian flights. A close watch is also being kept on operations at the Townsville and Darwin bases.

Basically, if the demand is there for a high frequency of flights into Newcastle, they'll have to build their own airport.

Apologies for the thread drift.
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Theresa, Got it

Anywhere north of the Murray is ok in my books
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 20:36
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There is no life south of the Tweed!
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 23:49
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Boeing you could say the same for CBR. While I feel sympathy for the RAAF, the fact is the money is coming out of the Hunter with the mines increasing and play a major part of Australia's present wealth. And NTL is responding, it can only be a good thing for the countries civil aviation, and if it is at the expense of the RAAF, than the govt of the day is going to go for the money every time. I know we are off topic here, but what happens with airports and this countries wealth, is vital to aviation.
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but what happens with airports and this countries wealth, is vital to aviation
but what happens with airports and aviation, is vital to this countrys' wealth.

There. Fixed it for ya.
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Thankyou Waren, must be time for some new glasses, or you could put it down to a state of shock, as my super is now in another spiral dive!
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 07:21
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EWP GREAT POST

I hadnt seen that before either, excellent reading.
And all the other clowns on here can talk about is who lives North or South of who cares ! ! !
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EWP

Great reading EWP, thank you
It begs the question, is the demise of Qantas being engineered or is it all a big mistake. ??
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Originally Posted by wrongwayaround
...It begs the question, is the demise of Qantas being engineered or is it all a big mistake. ??
Me...Personally.....

I'm not such a fan of "conspiracy theories", I honestly think the management policy is one of...... "Running around and vainly attempting to put out bushfires when they are raging out of control and have consumed 100,000 hectares of land, 20,000 head of stock and a small town" as opposed to the....... "Plan for, set fire breaks, ensure Rural Fire Service is well resourced and diligently watch for the first signs of smoke" policy.

ST
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 14:37
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QF's cash stack to support initial Asian basing losses

We all know that once Qantasia is up and running, fares will be set quite comparably to our Asian counterparts.

With the amount of capital QF is sitting on, I expect they will be willing to severely slash the fare prices (initially at least) to get bums on seats, and they can afford to do that for as long as they like, until "This has been a great success for the Qantas Group" -- Bruce Buchanan, Qantas CEO, 2012 (I hope I'm wrong).

I'm going to go and fly in the sandpit. At least over there, there's only ONE thing inevitable in life: just death!


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Old 10th Aug 2011, 16:25
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Only Thirty Million?

The lead story,
Jetstar's executive base moves closer to an Asian expansion

JETSTAR is considering shifting some of its senior management from Melbourne to an Asian centre - most likely Hong Kong - as it seeks to tap fast-growing markets in China and other parts of the region.
Moving the executives overseas would be to ramp up the Qantas subsidiary's expansion in north Asia. But it is certain to provoke a backlash from unions fighting for staff employed in offshore units to be covered by the same conditions as colleagues in Australia.

Singapore has been seen as a likely location for some of Jetstar's executive team because its affiliate, Jetstar Asia, is already there. But sources say Hong Kong is a ''more sensible'' location given it is geographically at the heart of Asia and on the doorstep of mainland China.


Sources also did not rule out Macau or the Philippines as sites for a Jetstar base.

However, Jetstar would have to structure a relocation of executives to Asia in such a way as to get around the Air Navigation Act, which requires the airline to have its operational base and head office in Australia in order to be designated as an Australian international carrier.

It is understood Jetstar Group's chief executive, Bruce Buchanan would move to Asia, while David Hall would maintain control of the Australian and New Zealand operations from Melbourne.

Although there were potential tax benefits, sources said the primary rationale was the ''good old-fashioned principle of being close to your customers'' in Asia where long-term traffic growth was expected.

Yesterday a Jetstar spokeswoman said it would ''always be an Australian-based airline'' and it did not have plans to move its head office as ''we have management based in Asia''.

Jetstar has recently talked up its interest in expanding its presence in north Asia, including Japan where it has discussed setting up a domestic carrier with Japan Airlines.


The follow up story, same day, 11th Aug smh business section.

Qantas offshoot could cost $30mQANTAS faces start-up costs of at least $30 million from launching a premium airline in Asia along with writedowns on the value of its 747 jumbo fleet, due to the expected axing of loss-making international routes.

With a strategic review of the company's international business to be unveiled in two weeks, Macquarie Equities analysts have emphasised that management will need to demonstrate the airline can ''compete effectively'' against rivals such as Singapore Airlines for passengers in Asia.

''Merely a high-level statement of intent is unlikely to generate any positive re-rating near term,'' they said. ''Merely carving out a presence [in Asia] will not guarantee returns in excess of capital.''

Analysts said establishing a premium airline - based in Singapore or Kuala Lumpur - was likely to lead to redundancies in Australia.

As part of the review, Qantas is expected to axe some loss-making international routes, including services between New York and Los Angeles, as well as those to Buenos Aires in Argentina. Should the latter be axed, Qantas is expected to form a closer alliance with Chilean airline LAN to help plug the gap.

Qantas is also likely to alter timing and frequency of flights to Asian destinations to better suit business travellers who want to fly in the region.
Macquarie's analysts said Qantas was likely to write down the value of its wide-body aircraft fleet in the event that it grounds some of its 747 jumbos as loss-making routes were axed.

The strategic review will overshadow its full-year result on August 24.
Macquarie Equities is forecasting Qantas to post a pre-tax profit of $507 million for the year, at the lower end of the company's guidance of between $500 million and $550 million. The analysts do not expect the airline to resume dividend payments this financial year.


Shares in Qantas dropped 2 per cent to $1.57 yesterday, as the ban on Tiger Airways flying in Australia was lifted. my bold

I believe the start up costs will be more than $30 million. Who's paying for what?
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 23:19
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Instead of all you Qantas pilots whining about Jetstar and waisting your union fees on expensive advertising campaigns and bill boards, you need to get smart and work out how to do your part to make Qantas more efficient. The whole company is ridiculously inefficient. You should team up with the other unions and work this stuff out. I was on holiday in Sydney recently and overheard some Qantas managers talking in a cafe. They were saying the pay and conditions are not so much the problem but the inefficiencies in the company like how 3 engineers/groundies are required to push back an aircraft when other airlines are using 1 with a power push. There were many more examples. Anyway get smart and help improve Qantas performance, it may mean some job losses? But get efficient then your airline will grow and need more staff eventually. And you will keep your conditions as well. From the outside looking in, Qantas is over staffed and inefficient, some of this is managements problem, but it is also the staffs problem. Sort your **** out now and help take Qantas into the future, you will keep your conditions with this attitude. And also tell your unions to stop crapping on about how great Qantas pilots are, your not the only ones who no how to fly! Jeeepers it comes across real bad! And the company must remove the JT safety brief immediately!!!!! Good luck
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Instead of all you Qantas pilots whining about Jetstar and waisting your union fees on expensive advertising campaigns and bill boards, you need to get smart and work out how to do your part to make Qantas more efficient. The whole company is ridiculously inefficient. You should team up with the other unions and work this stuff out. I was on holiday in Sydney recently and overheard some Qantas managers talking in a cafe. They were saying the pay and conditions are not so much the problem but the inefficiencies in the company like how 3 engineers/groundies are required to push back an aircraft when other airlines are using 1 with a power push. There were many more examples. Anyway get smart and help improve Qantas performance, it may mean some job losses? But get efficient then your airline will grow and need more staff eventually. And you will keep your conditions as well. From the outside looking in, Qantas is over staffed and inefficient, some of this is managements problem, but it is also the staffs problem. Sort your **** out now and help take Qantas into the future, you will keep your conditions with this attitude. And also tell your unions to stop crapping on about how great Qantas pilots are, your not the only ones who no how to fly! Jeeepers it comes across real bad! And the company must remove the JT safety brief immediately!!!!! Good luck
Ken B, is that you ??
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Instead of all you Qantas pilots whining about Jetstar and waisting your union fees on expensive advertising campaigns and bill boards, you need to get smart and work out how to do your part to make Qantas more efficient. The whole company is ridiculously inefficient. You should team up with the other unions and work this stuff out. I was on holiday in Sydney recently and overheard some Qantas managers talking in a cafe. They were saying the pay and conditions are not so much the problem but the inefficiencies in the company like how 3 engineers/groundies are required to push back an aircraft when other airlines are using 1 with a power push. There were many more examples. Anyway get smart and help improve Qantas performance, it may mean some job losses? But get efficient then your airline will grow and need more staff eventually. And you will keep your conditions as well. From the outside looking in, Qantas is over staffed and inefficient, some of this is managements problem, but it is also the staffs problem. Sort your **** out now and help take Qantas into the future, you will keep your conditions with this attitude. And also tell your unions to stop crapping on about how great Qantas pilots are, your not the only ones who no how to fly! Jeeepers it comes across real bad! And the company must remove the JT safety brief immediately!!!!! Good luck
Watch the managers run for cover after a fully loaded aircraft loses a wingtip thanks to non standard clearances between bays and only one person watching the push back.

To put it another way, wing tips are sacrificial, but extremely expensive. "Incidents" are not unknown.

Then count the cost of the missing wingtip walkers.
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 23:59
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Sunny,

Most of what you write is very intelligent stuff and right on the money however let's look at these two statements.

how 3 engineers/groundies are required to push back an aircraft when other airlines are using 1 with a power push.
Watch the managers run for cover after a fully loaded aircraft loses a wingtip thanks to non standard clearances between bays and only one person watching the push back.
Are these other airlines losing wingtips?
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I think you're close to the mark, however I fear your comments will fall on deaf ears, and even if people on here agreed with you, I'm not sure the Qantas management really want to engage with the staff to work through the various issues.
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