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Old 24th Jul 2011, 23:54
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Flight Ops briefing 2 weeks ago said JFK ops profitable!
Last 2 flights I did were chockers!
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Old 24th Jul 2011, 23:58
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sadly 'real' numbers have nothing to do with this whole matter.

.....just another excuse to add another orange star into the Pacific night sky

AT
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Old 25th Jul 2011, 00:45
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Look at it from another angle, the 767 fleet is only getting smaller and its a pathetic offering for business class pax domestically.

The international config A330's that are deployed on the terribly loss making full services will more then likely be redeployed to backfill the retirement of the 767. Seeing as there is only 2 widebody aircraft to be delivered to the loss making legacy arm of the carrier until the magical jetstar receives the first 15/20/45 787's.

By 2014 the domestic fleet will more then likely be 20 a330's, half dozen 767s and 738's.

But why let the truth get in the way of a good story, especially when you can spin around a total lack of investment in your core business to look like its your staffs own fault.

Or as a manager would put it 'leveraging synergies to facilitate workplace change'.

Lucky we have 'insiders' to drip feed the media to keep it a headline along with a quick reply for Qantas saying its only speculation nothing is confirmed. Read between the lines and don't fall for their narrative of how they want to world to remember their failures.
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Old 25th Jul 2011, 23:20
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It wouldn't surprise me if they axed JFK when the flights are full.

SFO was axed and only 1 week before they shut they were still deny boarding 8 commercial J/C pax due to oversale and on the last couple of flights ex SYD no staffies could get on due to it being chockers. A mate of mine told me that their loads were up 1000 pax for the month of april 2011 compared to April 2010.

Yeap, if NY flights are full it would seem a good time to go ahead and can the route!
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 00:08
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Interesting, in 2008 Qantas turned a NET profit of $969 million.

Jetstar at the time had 24 Airbus A320's and 6 A330's (gifted by Qantas) 30 aircraft total.

Since then Jetstar has received a further 34 A320's, 6 A321's and 3 A330's making a total aircraft fleet of 73. Effectively Jetstar has more than double their fleet.

Jetstar has taken over routes from Qantas which in turn has handed valued customers to opposition companies who provide SERVICE.

Now Qantas managers tell the world that after doubling the Jetstar fleet and nearly halving the 2008 profit, Jetstar is the profitable arm of Qantas.

Good luck with that! No wonder Walsh and other airline CEO's around the world are scratching their heads and having a good laugh at AJ and BB.

I'm curious to know how you make money from a low cost A330 from AKL to LAX when you can't make it from the same aircraft full cost? Hilarious, well not really, I feel absolutely guttered for you guys at Qantas, and I'm a kiwi!

I look forward to seeing how BB plans to get pilots to fly his aircraft in Asia when Asian airlines are paying big money to attract ex-pats. Do these guys think before they act?

Very sad indeed. Unfortunately these guys are on a mission and can't be stopped, when the company has gone tits up, they'll have their bonuses and will be reeking havoc on another unfortunate company with their hideous ideas.

It's almost a huge dick swing. I think they have been told by so many people this can't and won't work that they are hell bent on making it.
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 00:26
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Geoffrey Thomas today reporting that Sydney-Santiago is one of the routes on the chopping block...hey Geoffrey if you are reading this do your homework douche...QF don't fly it, apart from a codeshare with LAN via AKL...
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 00:37
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The leaks have started.

It appears Sir Humphrey Appleby was wrong - the ship of state is not the only ship that leaks from the top.
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 00:50
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Do you people not understand? Of course they have to chop the profitable routes. The whole point of the exercise is to make mainline unsustainable. At all costs, it must be made to look like Jetstar is the saviour.

Unfortunately, uneducated silly staff need to grasp this concept, be a part of it, bend over, and see how the best managers aviation has ever seen get on with taking over the world.

We will probably get a pair of orange colored glasses instead of a bonus or staff travel voucher this year. Then it will all make sense to all the non believers.
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 02:52
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It seems to me the fear campaign is working , they have you guys spooked !
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 03:18
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I couldn't agree more!! They are dismantling a perfectly good international business right before our eyes!..Do these people really think we're stupid??

But what I find shocking in all of this , is that the board, shareholders and the Australian people are letting them get away with it in favour of some low cost subsidiary, that wouldn't have a cak in chance of surviving without its 'mother'!!!..

must be true what they say.."Bullsh*t Baffles Brains!!!!"
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 03:55
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Premonition...

Most 744's retired.

J* aircraft fitted with Skybeds

SYD-BKK-LHR goes to J*

LHR-HKG cancelled

BA cancelled

AKL-LAX goes to J*

Frankfurt goes to J*

J* Athens and Rome

Only destinations for QF - LHR via SIN, LAX and JNB

Lets hope it doesn't happen
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 06:28
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I hear from a certain national air freight manager.
Qantas A380 orders #13 to #20 are going to Qantas Asia.
Very difficult to digest for QF staff.
Good luck with the PIA.
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 08:20
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perfectly good international business
it may be perfectly good but it's losing money so how do you make it profitable?
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 08:37
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That's easy:

1. Get decent and honest management.

2. Make Jetstar pay their own bills.

3. Stop paying fines for illegal cartels.

4. Engage staff and not treat them like lepers.

The rest is a piece of cake.
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 11:26
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I might have overheard today that all QF operations to Europe will be through SIN. Keeping HKG as a destination but the only through-connections to Europe from there will be codeshares on BA. BKK to be BA codeshare only.

Also might have heard that the SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD route will become SYD-LAX-DFW-LAX-SYD because of the range issues on the DFW-BNE they are experiencing. Going to SYD-DFW-SYD when QF get their hands on an aircraft that can do it reliably. Not too sure how this one will be operated. Whether the operation to JFK will change to DFW with with QF7/8 cancelled, whether QF7/8 are routed via LAX with other routes unchanged, whether one of the aircraft that currently lays over in LAX during the day will make the round trip to DFW, I don't which.

This is just what I may have overheard today. I can't say for sure whether it's true. Although it does sound for sure that QF are pissed at the issues with DFW-BNE and will operate the SYD-DFW-SYD route via some non-Australian port in both directions. That part I am certain about.
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 11:53
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Noticed in the ops 1 NOTAM's the other day that Athens and Rome are now classified as MAINS!

So Qantas pay all the money to establish all the operating criteria in order for the airline to operate into it. Qantas mainline will never operate there.
Its obvious they will gift the route to Jetstar. If not them, then Qantasia.

Its a messed up situation that QF are in. Joyce and the board will hopefully come unstuck one day. Karma has a place in this world.
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 12:01
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Yep, the little fella is going to get a lot of karma.

Problem is it will be jet airliner full of passengers.

Will the millions help him and the A team sleep at night?
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Old 26th Jul 2011, 22:22
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If ButFli is correct about all Europe flying through Singapore, it would not take a huge leap of imagination to see those routes becoming QantAsia.
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Old 27th Jul 2011, 03:38
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That's easy:

1. Get decent and honest management.

2. Make Jetstar pay their own bills.

3. Stop paying fines for illegal cartels.

4. Engage staff and not treat them like lepers.

The rest is a piece of cake.
rodchucker you make it sound very simple but it isn't...
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Old 27th Jul 2011, 07:39
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They are not unhappy with DFW-BNE.It has a better result of less diversions than LAX-MEL has had for the same period.The Irishman said the same a week or 2 ago.
Last week there was a 27 man delegation from Texas who visited both BNE and SYD and included DFW CEO who stated that BNE was receiving around 120 pax a flight and SYD around the 180 pax a flight.
He wouldnt have visited BNE if they were to pull the plug.
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