Boeing you could say the same for CBR. While I feel sympathy for the RAAF, the fact is the money is coming out of the Hunter with the mines increasing and play a major part of Australia's present wealth. And NTL is responding, it can only be a good thing for the countries civil aviation, and if it is at the expense of the RAAF, than the govt of the day is going to go for the money every time. I know we are off topic here, but what happens with airports and this countries wealth, is vital to aviation.