AUGUST 24th - QANTAS
Grooming Standards for women.
• Hair is to be styled, and neat and tidy in appearance.
• Hair shall not completely cover the collar on the uniform. If hair is shoulder length or longer, it shall be braided or plaited or tied back low at the nape of the neck. Hair pulled back should be no higher than mid-ear level.
• Ponytails should be tied low at the nape of the neck and be no longer than 30cm. If ponytail were to exceed 30cm in length when tied as above, hair shall be plaited.
• Plaits shall be secured in such a way that they hang no longer than 30cm down the back.
• Hair accessories shall complement the overall professional image of the uniform and be either black or tortoiseshell.
• Hair shall not completely cover the collar on the uniform. If hair is shoulder length or longer, it shall be braided or plaited or tied back low at the nape of the neck. Hair pulled back should be no higher than mid-ear level.
• Ponytails should be tied low at the nape of the neck and be no longer than 30cm. If ponytail were to exceed 30cm in length when tied as above, hair shall be plaited.
• Plaits shall be secured in such a way that they hang no longer than 30cm down the back.
• Hair accessories shall complement the overall professional image of the uniform and be either black or tortoiseshell.
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It'll be a sad day when the inevitable happens.
Seems to me that in today's business world whoever can bullsh1t the best and has mates ready to snow any opposition with spin and lies wins the game.
With the spoils always going to the victors, pity about the collateral damage, obviously a narcissist can only see themselves in that mirror.
What happened to proprietary ethics & business morals?
Once the western standard of living has been lowered to third world standards where will these parasites seek out the next billion in plunder?
What was that old tale about killing the golden goose.
Seems to me that in today's business world whoever can bullsh1t the best and has mates ready to snow any opposition with spin and lies wins the game.
With the spoils always going to the victors, pity about the collateral damage, obviously a narcissist can only see themselves in that mirror.
What happened to proprietary ethics & business morals?
Once the western standard of living has been lowered to third world standards where will these parasites seek out the next billion in plunder?
What was that old tale about killing the golden goose.
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Qantas and Fosters
These two Australian icons are the two worst run companies of the last decade.Its like a badly kept secret that nobody knowledges.Corporate governance runs parallel to the performance of the business.The corporate governance of these two companies appears to be non existent.
Fosters has been sold to overseas interests.Surely a Qantas sale can not be far behind ?
Fosters has been sold to overseas interests.Surely a Qantas sale can not be far behind ?
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Fosters has been split back into separate beer & wine divisions, with the CUB beer division always profitable and the wine having to pull it's socks up.
Any Qantas sale is limited by the Qantas sale act, hence the current farce.
Just reading about Fosters and found a report on the 2011 AGM, the shareholders voted 99% to hive the wine division off and have Carlton United Brewery stand alone.
Pity we can't get 99% of Qantas shareholders to insist that J* is hived off and made to stand on it's own.
On another tack, checked out the Boeing customer list, Qantas is number 38 hence 438 838 etc, all those lovely 787's must be going to be -38's because you know who does not have a Boeing customer number.
Any Qantas sale is limited by the Qantas sale act, hence the current farce.
Just reading about Fosters and found a report on the 2011 AGM, the shareholders voted 99% to hive the wine division off and have Carlton United Brewery stand alone.
Pity we can't get 99% of Qantas shareholders to insist that J* is hived off and made to stand on it's own.
On another tack, checked out the Boeing customer list, Qantas is number 38 hence 438 838 etc, all those lovely 787's must be going to be -38's because you know who does not have a Boeing customer number.
qantas premium in Asia
How can this work? I can think of 3 possibilities:
* SQ and CX etc turn their backs or open their wallets to the new airline (will not happen),
* Business pax giving up their valuable networking opportunities available through existing asian airlines business and first class lounges (very unlikely),
* Deals being struck between naive QF people and existing asian airlines which are in the best interests of the existing airlines, and with layers of subtle arrangements which will ensure QF gets the worst end of the deal financially (very likely; remember how Valuair had great problems getting routes even though the AOC was granted quickly).
Maybe there are other possibilities but I see option 3 as the likely outcome.
I would bet on this, but I can't find anyone to take on the bet!
SB
* SQ and CX etc turn their backs or open their wallets to the new airline (will not happen),
* Business pax giving up their valuable networking opportunities available through existing asian airlines business and first class lounges (very unlikely),
* Deals being struck between naive QF people and existing asian airlines which are in the best interests of the existing airlines, and with layers of subtle arrangements which will ensure QF gets the worst end of the deal financially (very likely; remember how Valuair had great problems getting routes even though the AOC was granted quickly).
Maybe there are other possibilities but I see option 3 as the likely outcome.
I would bet on this, but I can't find anyone to take on the bet!
SB
On another tack, checked out the Boeing customer list, Qantas is number 38 hence 438 838 etc, all those lovely 787's must be going to be -38's because you know who does not have a Boeing customer number.
Plenty of -38's flying around the planet and they are not operated by QF.
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Ladies and Gents,
At the risk of being expelled, I actually feel a bit sorry for Olivia Wirth.
She is a product of the inept management that runs this place. Somebody further along the management trough has hired Olivia and placed her in this role. Maybe she was the cheapest option.
I agree with the mantra often expressed here that we should play the ball and not the man(or women) and I will try to refrain from making any criticism of a personal nature. However it is hard not to make some comment as to her personal appearance just by virtue of her position.
She has a job to do at a tough time and she appears to be a loyal servant to her masters. However My feeling is eventually she will be thrown under the bus by Management. I am sure she will end up with the big golden handshake the rest of management eventually gouge out but at the end of the day she is just a pawn in a bigger game like the rest of us.
More importantly she is living proof of inept management. I am sure she is quite capable of certain aspects of her job, but fronting the media is not one of them.
V-Jet has posted above the grooming standards Q require of Cabin crew and tech crew can find themselves with an unpleasant notation in our personal file very quickly if we let our standards slip. One would expect that somebody somewhere in management could have a word or do they really not care that much? I feel bad that she is now being parodied on television because at the end of the day it reflects on the whole company. I know management don't care about the brand but until they give me the pink slip I do.
At the risk of being expelled, I actually feel a bit sorry for Olivia Wirth.
She is a product of the inept management that runs this place. Somebody further along the management trough has hired Olivia and placed her in this role. Maybe she was the cheapest option.
I agree with the mantra often expressed here that we should play the ball and not the man(or women) and I will try to refrain from making any criticism of a personal nature. However it is hard not to make some comment as to her personal appearance just by virtue of her position.
She has a job to do at a tough time and she appears to be a loyal servant to her masters. However My feeling is eventually she will be thrown under the bus by Management. I am sure she will end up with the big golden handshake the rest of management eventually gouge out but at the end of the day she is just a pawn in a bigger game like the rest of us.
More importantly she is living proof of inept management. I am sure she is quite capable of certain aspects of her job, but fronting the media is not one of them.
V-Jet has posted above the grooming standards Q require of Cabin crew and tech crew can find themselves with an unpleasant notation in our personal file very quickly if we let our standards slip. One would expect that somebody somewhere in management could have a word or do they really not care that much? I feel bad that she is now being parodied on television because at the end of the day it reflects on the whole company. I know management don't care about the brand but until they give me the pink slip I do.
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Well said bulstrode!
You only have to look at how many board members have MBA's to realise what top quality management we have..It will surprise you!.
Having worked for various airlines over the years I have never seen such a bunch of amateurs as here at QF..But thats what you get when you put your mates and golfing buddys in jobs where they are totally out of their depth.
They really haven't a clue... and quite frankly, its embarassing!!!
You only have to look at how many board members have MBA's to realise what top quality management we have..It will surprise you!.
Having worked for various airlines over the years I have never seen such a bunch of amateurs as here at QF..But thats what you get when you put your mates and golfing buddys in jobs where they are totally out of their depth.
They really haven't a clue... and quite frankly, its embarassing!!!
I agree with the comments on OW, there is no point attacking her, she's just doing her job. He job is to be the corporate mouthpiece and corporations are inherently psychopathic personalities (seeing as laws state corporations are people) anyway, in other words, corporations in general can't help but be uncompassionate, narcissistic arseholes, they were born like that.
She's just a victim of the circumstance, that position a few years ago would've been a breeze, just a faceless corporate placeholder putting another feather in their linkedin hat for a few years before moving on. The ball is the corporation and she's their sacrificial public mouthpiece, this experience is more likely to damage her further career progression elsewhere in a PR role more then anything, I almost feel sorry for her or anyone in that role.
She's just a victim of the circumstance, that position a few years ago would've been a breeze, just a faceless corporate placeholder putting another feather in their linkedin hat for a few years before moving on. The ball is the corporation and she's their sacrificial public mouthpiece, this experience is more likely to damage her further career progression elsewhere in a PR role more then anything, I almost feel sorry for her or anyone in that role.
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Not too sure about the sudden outpouring of support for Liv ...........
It seems to me that she is being criticised for being a poor communicator / having poor dress sense / not being "styled" appropriately for her job.
Surely, all of the above IS her job ?
As the official Qantas spokesperson shouldn't she communicate (verbally and professionally) in a manner befitting her position (job).
Sort of like "Fred Pilot" being involved in a crash through lack of preparation, is it not fair (and appropriate) to criticise Fred in this situation ?
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It seems to me that she is being criticised for being a poor communicator / having poor dress sense / not being "styled" appropriately for her job.
Surely, all of the above IS her job ?
As the official Qantas spokesperson shouldn't she communicate (verbally and professionally) in a manner befitting her position (job).
Sort of like "Fred Pilot" being involved in a crash through lack of preparation, is it not fair (and appropriate) to criticise Fred in this situation ?
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My feeling is eventually she will be thrown under the bus by Management.
I don't feel sorry for her, or anyone else who is 1. wilfully incompetent and 2. happy to spruik management BS about Qantas being a great employer (sorry, employee
) when it's blatantly obvious to the outside world that Qantas operational staff are treated like crap. The audacity is absolutely astounding, and even if it's evil AJ coming up with this stuff, she's saying it.
I am sure she is quite capable of certain aspects of her job, but fronting the media is not one of them.
Why stick with such bad PR when by the look of the links above it's even becoming a joke in the real world (not just from us crusties on here)?
Is it part of a really weird plan to make Qantas look as terrible as possible? That's exactly what's happening.
I reckon V Jet's four options sound spot on.
EDIT: Beat me to it Spanner. We even came up with the same pilot, poor Fred.
I don't feel sorry for her, or anyone else who is 1. wilfully incompetent and 2. happy to spruik management BS about Qantas being a great employer (sorry, employee 
) when it's blatantly obvious to the outside world that Qantas operational staff are treated like crap. The audacity is absolutely astounding, and even if it's evil AJ coming up with this stuff, she's saying it.
) when it's blatantly obvious to the outside world that Qantas operational staff are treated like crap. The audacity is absolutely astounding, and even if it's evil AJ coming up with this stuff, she's saying it.
It's the directors and executives putting her out there to cop all of the flack, none of this would be possible without complete complicity of them. That's where the criticism should be directed.
How nice it is, on a day when it seems the whole financial system is turning to crud, to touch base with PPRune and realise that the truly important things in life, such as OW's hair, are still to the fore in people's minds and thoughts. Quite stabilising, really.
Personally, I am quite fond of her and her employer/ee* turns of phrase. Probably AIPAs best strike weapon, at the moment.
[Not using the word strike in its industrial meaning].
* I always have trouble remembering whether I am the lessor or the lessee. Perhaps we had the same teacher somewhere in the education system?
Personally, I am quite fond of her and her employer/ee* turns of phrase. Probably AIPAs best strike weapon, at the moment.
[Not using the word strike in its industrial meaning].
* I always have trouble remembering whether I am the lessor or the lessee. Perhaps we had the same teacher somewhere in the education system?
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Originally Posted by 600ft-lb
You're saying that like she has a choice in the matter. Her job is to do that, the second she doesn't she's in breach of her employment contract no doubt and would more then likely be sacked.
It's the directors and executives putting her out there to cop all of the flack, none of this would be possible without complete complicity of them. That's where the criticism should be directed.
It's the directors and executives putting her out there to cop all of the flack, none of this would be possible without complete complicity of them. That's where the criticism should be directed.
Captain Gidday:
Oh good! Another one to play with..........
You obviously haven't learnt much about human nature Captain Gidday. Let me tell you why Olivia fails, and fails badly, on at least three levels. Please note, this is nothing personal about Olivia, I'm sure she is a lovely person when one gets to know her, likes dogs and kittens, etc.:
1. Perceptions are Reality When Livvy stands in front of the camera she is Qantas. Ninety percent of communication is non verbal. It takes the form of appearance, manner, gesture, dress, eye movements, accent, intonation and so on.
She doesn't appear to understand that and neither does her employer. She has no telegenic authority. She could however be trained to do that.
2. She does not have mastery of either her topic or its delivery. There are Qantas cabin crew who could do a better job.
3. Olivia does not meet the same dress and deportment standards that Cabin Crew are required to meet. That is both a slap in the face for every CC employee, but it is at variance with the perception that Qantas would obviously wish to project to the general public - cool calm, masterly and professional.
To put that another way what would I think of Qantas if I saw Captain Gidday passing through Customs outbound - dirty shoes, fly undone, shirt tail hanging out, food stained jacket, bad haircut, tie askew and loudly telling an off colour joke to similarly dishevelled FO?
Olivia may be very good at schmoozing politicians and journalists, however as a TV personality/spokesperson, she is a disaster, and don't try and tell me it is a generation X thing. I fail to understand why Qantas appointed her to this role when there were obviously much better qualified candidates with real Government experience who could have done the job standing on their ear- for example I happen to know that the chap below was just itching for the job. He would have been the perfect embodiment of Qantas today:
How nice it is, on a day when it seems the whole financial system is turning to crud, to touch base with PPRuNe and realise that the truly important things in life, such as OW's hair, are still to the fore in people's minds and thoughts. Quite stabilising, really.
You obviously haven't learnt much about human nature Captain Gidday. Let me tell you why Olivia fails, and fails badly, on at least three levels. Please note, this is nothing personal about Olivia, I'm sure she is a lovely person when one gets to know her, likes dogs and kittens, etc.:
1. Perceptions are Reality When Livvy stands in front of the camera she is Qantas. Ninety percent of communication is non verbal. It takes the form of appearance, manner, gesture, dress, eye movements, accent, intonation and so on.
She doesn't appear to understand that and neither does her employer. She has no telegenic authority. She could however be trained to do that.
2. She does not have mastery of either her topic or its delivery. There are Qantas cabin crew who could do a better job.
3. Olivia does not meet the same dress and deportment standards that Cabin Crew are required to meet. That is both a slap in the face for every CC employee, but it is at variance with the perception that Qantas would obviously wish to project to the general public - cool calm, masterly and professional.
To put that another way what would I think of Qantas if I saw Captain Gidday passing through Customs outbound - dirty shoes, fly undone, shirt tail hanging out, food stained jacket, bad haircut, tie askew and loudly telling an off colour joke to similarly dishevelled FO?
Olivia may be very good at schmoozing politicians and journalists, however as a TV personality/spokesperson, she is a disaster, and don't try and tell me it is a generation X thing. I fail to understand why Qantas appointed her to this role when there were obviously much better qualified candidates with real Government experience who could have done the job standing on their ear- for example I happen to know that the chap below was just itching for the job. He would have been the perfect embodiment of Qantas today:
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One thing Olivia has got going for her is that she`s better than AJ. Now there`s an incompetent fool when in front on a TV camera. At least GD had the balls to show his face during the LAME strike in 08`. Where was AJ the other day?