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So out of interest, how did the liability work if one of the chairbourne division who were 'helping out' Qantas on the ramp got injured? Say one of them got their fingers jammed in a conveyor belt, got squashed between trolleys and a tug or fell out of a hold?
Presumably Qantas would have covered them (they're 'helping out' and all), but they'd still be hurt. Accidents happen on the ramp, even with trained people. It's a relatively risky work environment, particularly for a smattering of unsupervised office dwellers wearing their best camping gear and blinking in the bright sunshine. If Miss Qantas Foundation was seriously injured (which happens to people on even the best of ramps manned by trained and experienced staff) in what was basically a media stunt, would Qantas management actually give a toss or is it all part of 'the cost of doin' business?'
I'm seriously glad that didn't happen.
Theoretically, let's say I got sick of aviation
and decided to become an office dweller in a mining company or with one of the port operators. If the 'unskilled' labor went out on strike, would I be expected to volunteer to pitch in at the coalface or on the dock despite zero experience and little training? It's an honest question, because I don't recall seeing it happen in an IR dispute since the advent of the OH&S age. Maybe it's standard IR 101. Me, I think that the fact that Qantas not only allowed it but actively encouraged it to happen for what appeared to be 90% media stunt shows how much Qantas thinks of its employees, even the eager-to-please management lapdog types.
It's all jolly good fun on the ramp. Right up until the moment someone ends up pinned under something heavy because they (or someone else) made a mistake.
Presumably Qantas would have covered them (they're 'helping out' and all), but they'd still be hurt. Accidents happen on the ramp, even with trained people. It's a relatively risky work environment, particularly for a smattering of unsupervised office dwellers wearing their best camping gear and blinking in the bright sunshine. If Miss Qantas Foundation was seriously injured (which happens to people on even the best of ramps manned by trained and experienced staff) in what was basically a media stunt, would Qantas management actually give a toss or is it all part of 'the cost of doin' business?'
I'm seriously glad that didn't happen.
Theoretically, let's say I got sick of aviation
and decided to become an office dweller in a mining company or with one of the port operators. If the 'unskilled' labor went out on strike, would I be expected to volunteer to pitch in at the coalface or on the dock despite zero experience and little training? It's an honest question, because I don't recall seeing it happen in an IR dispute since the advent of the OH&S age. Maybe it's standard IR 101. Me, I think that the fact that Qantas not only allowed it but actively encouraged it to happen for what appeared to be 90% media stunt shows how much Qantas thinks of its employees, even the eager-to-please management lapdog types. It's all jolly good fun on the ramp. Right up until the moment someone ends up pinned under something heavy because they (or someone else) made a mistake.
Extremely valid points Worral's.
What about the allegations of mobile phone usage on the ramp, and in the proximity of refuelling aircraft! Will mangement pay the fine and go to bat for the individual(s) concerned? Maybe you people who think it's OK to scab (lets not mince words) on your fellow employees, might need to re-think your decision to willingly take on jobs you are neither qualified nor competant to perform.
Mind you it's not surprising given the atrocious mismanagement at the top.
The unions need to pursue this matter with utmost vigor. Be interesting to see what spin Ms Worth will put on that!
What about the allegations of mobile phone usage on the ramp, and in the proximity of refuelling aircraft! Will mangement pay the fine and go to bat for the individual(s) concerned? Maybe you people who think it's OK to scab (lets not mince words) on your fellow employees, might need to re-think your decision to willingly take on jobs you are neither qualified nor competant to perform.
Mind you it's not surprising given the atrocious mismanagement at the top.
The unions need to pursue this matter with utmost vigor. Be interesting to see what spin Ms Worth will put on that!
I find it amazing that a whole swag of office dwellers were able to be absent for almost their entire 8 hours shift without a dent on their departments productivity.
What about all the high powered meetings that were scheduled ?
What about the important safety inter(dist)ractions they missed out on performing on the evil workforce ?
What about the KPI's results that didn't get put into powerpoint ?
What would the bain and co consultants who didn't get a chance to further strategize and synergize and wanketize the people who are paid **** into yet another shelf company paid flat rate minimum wages (QGS) ?
Is the friday flyer going to get produced this week or is that important publication being missed ? I love hearing about the jet fuel price or thanking the rest of the workforce for handling the disruptions of an evil union. (All thats left is the flight attendants and the AME's and the company has the full house at war.)
Did we miss out on another company statement on the intranet home page about some Deputy Manager of A4 Paper Supply Chain Analyst who has contributed the last 2 years of his life to 'the corporation' and has decided to move on to greener pastures yet his manager thought the rest of the 27000 'corporations' employees would care ?
It's all really important stuff that swathes of staff who inhabit the vast building complexes behind the action, it's just as well some of the very important work they do could wait another day or week so they could drive a pallet loader or use a mobile phone next to a refueling truck.
Maybe they would like to do the job full time with QGS, $17/hour flat rates of pay $680/week, no staff travel, worse long service leave, no weekend loadings. I really wonder why the TWU is taking industrial action when QGS are very very actively recruiting staff right now on the above conditions whilst attending 'negotiations' with the TWU for months on end in bad faith.
Thanks corporate backenders, hope you'll come out to certify the RTS when the LAME's take simultaneous nationwide action. Oh wait, you can't get a certificate in RTS in 2 minutes...
What about all the high powered meetings that were scheduled ?
What about the important safety inter(dist)ractions they missed out on performing on the evil workforce ?
What about the KPI's results that didn't get put into powerpoint ?
What would the bain and co consultants who didn't get a chance to further strategize and synergize and wanketize the people who are paid **** into yet another shelf company paid flat rate minimum wages (QGS) ?
Is the friday flyer going to get produced this week or is that important publication being missed ? I love hearing about the jet fuel price or thanking the rest of the workforce for handling the disruptions of an evil union. (All thats left is the flight attendants and the AME's and the company has the full house at war.)
Did we miss out on another company statement on the intranet home page about some Deputy Manager of A4 Paper Supply Chain Analyst who has contributed the last 2 years of his life to 'the corporation' and has decided to move on to greener pastures yet his manager thought the rest of the 27000 'corporations' employees would care ?
It's all really important stuff that swathes of staff who inhabit the vast building complexes behind the action, it's just as well some of the very important work they do could wait another day or week so they could drive a pallet loader or use a mobile phone next to a refueling truck.
Maybe they would like to do the job full time with QGS, $17/hour flat rates of pay $680/week, no staff travel, worse long service leave, no weekend loadings. I really wonder why the TWU is taking industrial action when QGS are very very actively recruiting staff right now on the above conditions whilst attending 'negotiations' with the TWU for months on end in bad faith.
Thanks corporate backenders, hope you'll come out to certify the RTS when the LAME's take simultaneous nationwide action. Oh wait, you can't get a certificate in RTS in 2 minutes...
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management appear to be playing hardball
For the record, this is last nights 7.30 report for those who were out of the country or missed it. There is no doubt now, the management come over as very heavy handed and think they have won the first round... again OW sounds like that schoolgirl who still can't find her ipod. I feel sorry for the editor who has to chop around all her dud lines...
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Oh Dear!...wot a massive cock up on all sides!
Olivier has got to go!
Steve has got to go!
And Tony has got to go!
This has got to be the biggest mother of industrial cock ups of all time because of the incompetent personal involved in key positions!
And the scabs are out in force on day one!
34 scabs today! What's the percentage re total shift numbers?
Want to enlighten us Tony??
Olivier has got to go!
Steve has got to go!
And Tony has got to go!
This has got to be the biggest mother of industrial cock ups of all time because of the incompetent personal involved in key positions!
And the scabs are out in force on day one!
34 scabs today! What's the percentage re total shift numbers?
Want to enlighten us Tony??
short flights long nights
OW says "QF is a good employee""????? she cant even get the context correct
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Typical Management Type
Everywhere across the business you are confronted by people like Olivia Wirth.They are second and third stingers.Paid a fair whack,given a title with a six syllable description these individuals are poorly educated,have little experience and are generally out of their depth.
This is the new management team...barely potty trained with no one around to show them how to wipe their own corporate bum
This is the new management team...barely potty trained with no one around to show them how to wipe their own corporate bum
Slightly off topic, but this got a laugh from me:
More rumours about the new Asian based QF premium carrier.
It appears Joyce has been studying the London based BA A318 trans Atlantic operation as well as the BA subsidiary called Openskies that flys Paris based B757's in a 2 level business class trans Atlantic.
Openskies emails you the day before your flight a reminder with details such as the flight details, menu, weather and names of the entire crew.
It appears Joyce has been studying the London based BA A318 trans Atlantic operation as well as the BA subsidiary called Openskies that flys Paris based B757's in a 2 level business class trans Atlantic.
Openskies emails you the day before your flight a reminder with details such as the flight details, menu, weather and names of the entire crew.
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I do hope that due diligence has been done.....dealing with these Asian companies and all that.....
Matthew Perrin's cautionary Chinese tale: Maley
"And Perrin's experience is an absolute case study of the perils of investing in a country without a strong understanding of the business culture."
OK, sure greed was the downfall, pure & utter greed $100 mill not enough for ya????
Knew this chap from a distance from a past (school) life, I remember quite a school bully but it is a foggy past....
What was that Sunfish, about Old China Hands??
Careful dem chopsticks aren't booby trapped 'dere.......
Matthew Perrin's cautionary Chinese tale: Maley
"And Perrin's experience is an absolute case study of the perils of investing in a country without a strong understanding of the business culture."
OK, sure greed was the downfall, pure & utter greed $100 mill not enough for ya????
Knew this chap from a distance from a past (school) life, I remember quite a school bully but it is a foggy past....
What was that Sunfish, about Old China Hands??
Careful dem chopsticks aren't booby trapped 'dere.......
Leslie - I was looking for the Fuhrer Bunker clip when I found that, I can't believe it has disappeared. Must be somewhere.
Sunfish - I think the the success or failure of AJ's Quixotic asian push is irrelevant to him and his puppeteers. Much like a small software company that thinks they might one day be bought out by Microsoft or Apple, I believe the object of the exercise is either:
Heads I win, tails you lose??
PS:If one didn't think Qantas' management was as good as it is, one could be appalled that the appearance of their spokeswoman would get her sent home from her first trip as a flight attendant for being totally unsightly. Surely it would not be too much to ask to find someone who could at least comply with their OWN appearance standards???
Sunfish - I think the the success or failure of AJ's Quixotic asian push is irrelevant to him and his puppeteers. Much like a small software company that thinks they might one day be bought out by Microsoft or Apple, I believe the object of the exercise is either:
1) These entities might succeed. Bonuses all round for outstanding management in the face of adversity from staff. Happy Days!
2) These entities are failures but are bought out by Tamesek, China Southern etc. Bonuses all round for outstanding management in the face of adversity from staff. Happy Days!
3) These entities are successful enough to be bought out for a good price by Tamesek, China Southern etc. Bonuses all round for outstanding management in the face of adversity from staff. Happy Days!
4) These entities fail cataclysmically and ruin Qantas. Five years of good bonuses not only for outstanding management in the face of adversity from staff, but also for the tremendous stress of dealing with appalling market conditions on a day to day basis due to (insert crises that were completely out of our control). Happy Days!
Much as it finally dawned on the hero of the '39-'45 war in that clip referred to above, no matter how good management is, if the people under them fail to rise to the challenges then how can it possibly be anyone else's fault if they fail?2) These entities are failures but are bought out by Tamesek, China Southern etc. Bonuses all round for outstanding management in the face of adversity from staff. Happy Days!
3) These entities are successful enough to be bought out for a good price by Tamesek, China Southern etc. Bonuses all round for outstanding management in the face of adversity from staff. Happy Days!
4) These entities fail cataclysmically and ruin Qantas. Five years of good bonuses not only for outstanding management in the face of adversity from staff, but also for the tremendous stress of dealing with appalling market conditions on a day to day basis due to (insert crises that were completely out of our control). Happy Days!
Heads I win, tails you lose??
PS:If one didn't think Qantas' management was as good as it is, one could be appalled that the appearance of their spokeswoman would get her sent home from her first trip as a flight attendant for being totally unsightly. Surely it would not be too much to ask to find someone who could at least comply with their OWN appearance standards???