Rumour: Sunstate Engineers suspended over aircraft sabotage?
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Fighting fund details are as follows. This account is held by the ALAEA and all donations will be directed straight to the Sunstate LAMEs under the guidance of the ALAEA Trustees. Members should not transfer in this manner as locally appointed Reps and collectors are tracking the donations from each department. This transfer method should be used by our Flight Crew friends, retired LAMEs, Alan and good industry persons concerned about the goings on at Qantaslink.
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Payee Account Title: Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association
Account number - 0080 1800
BSB number - 062 190
Please state in reason for transfer - Sunstate Fighting Fund
Many thanks in advance.
Commonwealth Bank Account
Payee Account Title: Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association
Account number - 0080 1800
BSB number - 062 190
Please state in reason for transfer - Sunstate Fighting Fund
Many thanks in advance.
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Thank you to the LAMES who have kept me safe for 40 years.
It goes without saying, pilots rely heavily on the competency of LAMES, whose ability to make sometimes commercially inconvenient decisions, is necessary, if pilots are to continue to have confidence in the aircraft they fly.
Personally pleased to have had the opportunity to make a donation. After all, our future is in your hands.
It goes without saying, pilots rely heavily on the competency of LAMES, whose ability to make sometimes commercially inconvenient decisions, is necessary, if pilots are to continue to have confidence in the aircraft they fly.
Personally pleased to have had the opportunity to make a donation. After all, our future is in your hands.
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G'Day Sprite,
As far as Serviceability-
, 'Should' mean absolutely nothing and never happen, at all- ever, for time eternity, ask the Regulator.....
They don't get a vote.......... Ever, Not Once, Never Have- tis the LAW- it's a hindsight profession and Never Has/or Ever Will create Revenue or Go Forward, or Make An Aeronautical Judgement (because, they are NOT QUALIFIED.....), and how the balance has 'Apparently' shifted, should it be the case.
And be it the case- ..... it is Sad in a Country that by it's nature once relied on Aviation Innovation to conquer the tyranny of distance in a Social Justice sense, to be here now..............
All involved/& Fed Sec, an interesting situation (as reported), best wishes to all for a just & expeditious outcome.
Rgds all
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We have lost this nation as to Aviation in general & the Spirit of Australia- haven't we.............. ?????
As far as Serviceability-
threat of punishment from beancounters
They don't get a vote.......... Ever, Not Once, Never Have- tis the LAW- it's a hindsight profession and Never Has/or Ever Will create Revenue or Go Forward, or Make An Aeronautical Judgement (because, they are NOT QUALIFIED.....), and how the balance has 'Apparently' shifted, should it be the case.
And be it the case- ..... it is Sad in a Country that by it's nature once relied on Aviation Innovation to conquer the tyranny of distance in a Social Justice sense, to be here now..............
All involved/& Fed Sec, an interesting situation (as reported), best wishes to all for a just & expeditious outcome.
Rgds all
S28- BE
We have lost this nation as to Aviation in general & the Spirit of Australia- haven't we.............. ?????
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, means absolutely nothing, at all- ever, for time eternity, ask the Regulator.....
They don't get a vote.......... Ever, Not Once, Never Have- tis the LAW- it's a hindsight profession and Never Has/or Ever Will create Revenue or Go Forward, or Make An Aeronautical Judgement (because, they are NOT QUALIFIED.....), and how the balance has 'Apparently' shifted, should it be the case.
They don't get a vote.......... Ever, Not Once, Never Have- tis the LAW- it's a hindsight profession and Never Has/or Ever Will create Revenue or Go Forward, or Make An Aeronautical Judgement (because, they are NOT QUALIFIED.....), and how the balance has 'Apparently' shifted, should it be the case.
-changing a wheel beyond AMM limits
-underestimating rectification hours for a defect
-writing up supposedly defective cockpit doors
-taking 10 minutes to get ready in the morning
-writing up supposedly defective seatbelts beyond AMM limits
It has become a toxic company for work for that sunstate, management can decide if you have been carrying out unprotected industrial action and they 'must' fine you 4 hours pay for each indiscretion.
So when some bloke has real life bills to pay and real life mortgages and real life medical expenses, whats could possibly be the case if he decides he doesn't want a part of it and looks the other way to something. I'm not saying they will, I and everyone else who flies on aircraft certainly hope not, but adding another, financially punitive action to doing what you're employed and legislated to do at the total 100% discretion of management who at odds with an EA wage claim... who are the winners ?
Testing ground for upcoming EA disputes with the mainline perhaps ?
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It's one month today that the 6 Sunstate LAMEs have been stood down with allegations related to snagging the cockpit doors. That's correct, you weren't instructed to look specifically at the doors, we only wanted a general cabin inspection. Your breach of company policy may now lead to dismissal.
The Qantas group - Always putting Safety first.
The Qantas group - Always putting Safety first.
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Just Culture!
What ever happened to the "just culture" policies that QF have promoted over the years?
It does not appear to be a deliberate or malicious act, which under the just culture principles would be the the only cause for disciplinary action.
My guess is that much of this has been the result of poor communications within the organisation.
It does not appear to be a deliberate or malicious act, which under the just culture principles would be the the only cause for disciplinary action.
My guess is that much of this has been the result of poor communications within the organisation.
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I have searched very extensively for any news about this anywhere in the media and cannot find anything. 
Where are all those journos when you need them to help right this disgusting wrong.
Anyone know any good journos.
Where are all those journos when you need them to help right this disgusting wrong.
Anyone know any good journos.
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I did 9 news in Bne about it. Also was on 7pm project where it was discussed. Lots of radio but not sure about print media.
Cannot find anything in Newspapers or even with on line searches.
I am sure that if the Aussie public knew what was going on they would be just as outraged at Sunstate (Qantas) as I am.
If this was not so serous, it would be a good joke.
I would think you were talking about some west African outfit, I am shocked you are talking about Qantas. The mind boggles.
I would think you were talking about some west African outfit, I am shocked you are talking about Qantas. The mind boggles.
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I am shocked you are talking about Qantas
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Well I finally found something on one of the news sites, from earlier this month, however the story has been so twisted out of shape by Mr Joyce I doubt if anyone could follow it, never even mentions the aircraft type in question.
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A war of words between Qantas and an engineers' union has intensified over maintenance issues following a mid-air explosion on one of the airline's A380s.
Qantas has suspended all of its A380 flights while it investigates why one of the plane's four engines exploded shortly after leaving Singapore for Sydney on Thursday.
Qantas on Friday said the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) had claimed a number of engineers had been stood down as a result of the incident on board QF32, adding that it "strongly refuted" that had happened.
However, ALAEA federal secretary Steven Purvinas said he had never suggested the six engineers were stood down as a result of the explosion on board the A380 aircraft.
"I never said they were stood down as a result of this incident," he told AAP.
"The point I was making was that this points to a dramatic shift in the culture of Qantas, which used to encourage workers to look for defects.
"Now they would rather you don't look and if you do, you will be sent home and subject to a disciplinary hearing."
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said in a statement that Mr Purvinas was wrong to say Qantas engineers has been stood down because of the incident on QF32, which was forced to turn back to Singapore following the explosion.
He said the cause of the engine failure was still being investigated, but it appeared likely to be a design problem.
"It is clearly too soon to speculate on the cause of yesterday's engine failure," he said.
Mr Joyce also said the engineers referred to by Mr Purvinas were employed by QantasLink in Brisbane and were directed not to attend work last week while a disciplinary matter was investigated.
But Mr Purvinas said it was because they had looked for plane defects that they had not been asked to check.
He said safety was a growing concern for Qantas engineers, because of outsourcing of maintenance work.
Mr Joyce rejected this, saying the overwhelming majorityof its maintenance was undertaken in Australia.
The A380 in question recently underwent its first heavy maintenance check by Lufthansa Technik in Germany, and Rolls Royce engines were overhauled at Rolls Royce facilities, Mr Joyce said.
"To suggest that Lufthansa and Rolls Royce do not have the expertise and experience to undertake the highest quality aircraft and checks is ludicrous," Mr Joyce said.
He said the A380s would remain grounded for "as long as it takes for us to be absolutely sure that the aircraft are going to be safe to fly".
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Mr Joyce, nobody said the LAMEs have been stood down over the A380s.
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A war of words between Qantas and an engineers' union has intensified over maintenance issues following a mid-air explosion on one of the airline's A380s.
Qantas has suspended all of its A380 flights while it investigates why one of the plane's four engines exploded shortly after leaving Singapore for Sydney on Thursday.
Qantas on Friday said the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) had claimed a number of engineers had been stood down as a result of the incident on board QF32, adding that it "strongly refuted" that had happened.
However, ALAEA federal secretary Steven Purvinas said he had never suggested the six engineers were stood down as a result of the explosion on board the A380 aircraft.
"I never said they were stood down as a result of this incident," he told AAP.
"The point I was making was that this points to a dramatic shift in the culture of Qantas, which used to encourage workers to look for defects.
"Now they would rather you don't look and if you do, you will be sent home and subject to a disciplinary hearing."
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said in a statement that Mr Purvinas was wrong to say Qantas engineers has been stood down because of the incident on QF32, which was forced to turn back to Singapore following the explosion.
He said the cause of the engine failure was still being investigated, but it appeared likely to be a design problem.
"It is clearly too soon to speculate on the cause of yesterday's engine failure," he said.
Mr Joyce also said the engineers referred to by Mr Purvinas were employed by QantasLink in Brisbane and were directed not to attend work last week while a disciplinary matter was investigated.
But Mr Purvinas said it was because they had looked for plane defects that they had not been asked to check.
He said safety was a growing concern for Qantas engineers, because of outsourcing of maintenance work.
Mr Joyce rejected this, saying the overwhelming majorityof its maintenance was undertaken in Australia.
The A380 in question recently underwent its first heavy maintenance check by Lufthansa Technik in Germany, and Rolls Royce engines were overhauled at Rolls Royce facilities, Mr Joyce said.
"To suggest that Lufthansa and Rolls Royce do not have the expertise and experience to undertake the highest quality aircraft and checks is ludicrous," Mr Joyce said.
He said the A380s would remain grounded for "as long as it takes for us to be absolutely sure that the aircraft are going to be safe to fly".
(END QUOTE)
Mr Joyce, nobody said the LAMEs have been stood down over the A380s.
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so what's the tally for the month..(and we have a full week to go)
1 x JQ FO (with another to come)
6 x Sunstate Engineers
1 x FA who was aparently affected following a mid air incident
and ............still awaiting the outcome of the witch hunt now underway for those who lodged submissions to the Senate Enquiry but did not request confidentiality.....(technically a confidential Senate Enquiry is not a public statement but.......)
At this rate AJ might just get his 10% cost reduction through terminations alone.
AT
1 x JQ FO (with another to come)
6 x Sunstate Engineers
1 x FA who was aparently affected following a mid air incident
and ............still awaiting the outcome of the witch hunt now underway for those who lodged submissions to the Senate Enquiry but did not request confidentiality.....(technically a confidential Senate Enquiry is not a public statement but.......)
At this rate AJ might just get his 10% cost reduction through terminations alone.
AT
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Fighting fund details are as follows. This account is held by the ALAEA and all donations will be directed straight to the Sunstate LAMEs under the guidance of the ALAEA Trustees. This transfer method should be used by our Flight Crew friends, retired LAMEs, Alan and good industry persons concerned about the goings on at Qantaslink.
Commonwealth Bank Account
Payee Account Title: Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association
Account number - 0080 1800
BSB number - 062 190
Please state in reason for transfer - Sunstate Fighting Fund
Commonwealth Bank Account
Payee Account Title: Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association
Account number - 0080 1800
BSB number - 062 190
Please state in reason for transfer - Sunstate Fighting Fund
I have.
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Just a note of thanks to woodeneye.Works both ways mate
I had my life saved twice by good pilots when things turned to poo in flight.
Without doubt I would be here without their skill and experience.No BS.
Makes the last 30 odd years seem worthwhile when someone says thanks.
I had my life saved twice by good pilots when things turned to poo in flight.
Without doubt I would be here without their skill and experience.No BS.
Makes the last 30 odd years seem worthwhile when someone says thanks.
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Money where my mouth is!
LAME2.........I assume that was directed at me...yes I did post something on the wrong thread but I see a Mod may have fixed that! 
So a challenge to all you folk out there who have not donated and are not pilots or LAME's.........at some point your backside is in an RPT aircraft and its time to put your money where your mouth is. I have just tossed a good donation at both the funds tonight because its worth it.
As to the QF group who have had my loyal and company loyal support for some time.....Its Over. despite some of my close friends being C&T's at JQ and other retired folks at QF, and other good mates at QFlink currently, there is no more loyalty including the several hundred thousand FF points I have having burned most this year.
My company travel is now going to be directed elsewhere where practical rather than the other way around. If Mr Borg gets a few thousand business folk like me thinking this way he will be on a winner.
Enough is enough.
J
So a challenge to all you folk out there who have not donated and are not pilots or LAME's.........at some point your backside is in an RPT aircraft and its time to put your money where your mouth is. I have just tossed a good donation at both the funds tonight because its worth it.
As to the QF group who have had my loyal and company loyal support for some time.....Its Over. despite some of my close friends being C&T's at JQ and other retired folks at QF, and other good mates at QFlink currently, there is no more loyalty including the several hundred thousand FF points I have having burned most this year.
My company travel is now going to be directed elsewhere where practical rather than the other way around. If Mr Borg gets a few thousand business folk like me thinking this way he will be on a winner.
Enough is enough.
J