Rumour: Sunstate Engineers suspended over aircraft sabotage?
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Q management lost the plot
The rat on the tail should be a clue - white (management) surrounded by a sea of blood ( the worker). At present I don't think you will find a more unanimous group every body - pilot's, cabin crew, baggies, engineer's and counter staff all think senior Q manager's self centred egotists. Sitting back collecting bonus's whilst treating staff with contempt, the bigger the contempt the larger the bonus.
Old mate.
After having blossomed from Q apprentice ranks to full grown AME and to leave after the pay went up. I believe you started another apprenticeship as a second year ( prior learning) on nearly double the rate of pay as a Q AME. How rude, maybe your skills were better appreciated outside the aviation industry.
We have recently seen walk outs by Qld nurses due the pay debarkle, construction workers on sites for safety reasons - have the Fairwork Aust laws been enforced - NO. Probably due to the fact that if they did the workers would remember the management R Soles and not put the effort in after it was all sorted. However the self important at Q have harassed and used the full powers available to them on 30 engineer's at probably the most profitable section of Q. Why ? do they not think the engineer's won't remember the treatment and go back to giving them undying loyalty as before. Sorry I forgot they only have contempt for the staff, just a number on the exel spreadsheet that may lower the profit, if we actually treat them with respect and value their input.
It seems apparent that the people who actually do the work on aircraft don't know how to maintain them - Qlink manager "maybe we over-maintained the aircraft previously" Dick Head it was called preventative maintenance this to ensure aircraft remained serv longer, actually get from one check to the next without frequent hangar visits and disrupting revenue flights.That my friend will cause the graph to go down, however not your fault as you pushed the graph up falsely by not buying spares and maintaining wage growth below CPI whilst increasing fares to align with CPI.
Old mate.
After having blossomed from Q apprentice ranks to full grown AME and to leave after the pay went up. I believe you started another apprenticeship as a second year ( prior learning) on nearly double the rate of pay as a Q AME. How rude, maybe your skills were better appreciated outside the aviation industry.
We have recently seen walk outs by Qld nurses due the pay debarkle, construction workers on sites for safety reasons - have the Fairwork Aust laws been enforced - NO. Probably due to the fact that if they did the workers would remember the management R Soles and not put the effort in after it was all sorted. However the self important at Q have harassed and used the full powers available to them on 30 engineer's at probably the most profitable section of Q. Why ? do they not think the engineer's won't remember the treatment and go back to giving them undying loyalty as before. Sorry I forgot they only have contempt for the staff, just a number on the exel spreadsheet that may lower the profit, if we actually treat them with respect and value their input.
It seems apparent that the people who actually do the work on aircraft don't know how to maintain them - Qlink manager "maybe we over-maintained the aircraft previously" Dick Head it was called preventative maintenance this to ensure aircraft remained serv longer, actually get from one check to the next without frequent hangar visits and disrupting revenue flights.That my friend will cause the graph to go down, however not your fault as you pushed the graph up falsely by not buying spares and maintaining wage growth below CPI whilst increasing fares to align with CPI.
The problem Bigdog, is that very few Qantas Managers actually have their head on the block over safety.
At worst, if an international flight goes in and the brand tanks, they seek a new job. After all, it wasn't their fault was it?
As for the managers in safety sensitive positions;
1) I want a salary that reflects the risk I run if an aircraft goes in.
2) I want a bonus that rewards me for every year that I can deliver lower costs.
3) If an aircraft goes in, I want to be able to walk away with money intact.
This is what I faced at Exxon: pay lip service to the written rules and hope like hell nothing happens on my watch.
If nothing happens, I'm promoted. get a major salary increase, and some other poor sap is offered the same Faustian bargain I was offered.
The process is repeated throughout your career. If nothing happens , you make a great deal of money. If something does happen, you take a bullet for your employer. Watch what happens to the BP and Haliburton staff "responsible" for the Gulf oil disaster.
The real losers in this game are the shareholders. They lose, as do the staff, customers and suppliers. The only ones who get away scot free are the managers who are laughing all the way to the bank.
To put it another way; The managers delivered on their "performance targets" and are therefore worthy of their bonuses. The fact that an aircraft fell out of the sky as a result is nothing to do with them.
At worst, if an international flight goes in and the brand tanks, they seek a new job. After all, it wasn't their fault was it?
As for the managers in safety sensitive positions;
1) I want a salary that reflects the risk I run if an aircraft goes in.
2) I want a bonus that rewards me for every year that I can deliver lower costs.
3) If an aircraft goes in, I want to be able to walk away with money intact.
This is what I faced at Exxon: pay lip service to the written rules and hope like hell nothing happens on my watch.
If nothing happens, I'm promoted. get a major salary increase, and some other poor sap is offered the same Faustian bargain I was offered.
The process is repeated throughout your career. If nothing happens , you make a great deal of money. If something does happen, you take a bullet for your employer. Watch what happens to the BP and Haliburton staff "responsible" for the Gulf oil disaster.
The real losers in this game are the shareholders. They lose, as do the staff, customers and suppliers. The only ones who get away scot free are the managers who are laughing all the way to the bank.
To put it another way; The managers delivered on their "performance targets" and are therefore worthy of their bonuses. The fact that an aircraft fell out of the sky as a result is nothing to do with them.
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Are you serious GLBS!! The share holders are just like the Managers. They do not give a rats about safety. Thankfully that is why you have to by law employ LAMES to do the job right. But again, they may know a little more than the current batch of managers on that subject but still they are only interested in there own back pockets. 
Just like the greedy managers.
Whilst it is great to have a profitable Airline, I do not see how that gives small penis managers the right to waste money left right and center on a small group of guys who dared to highlight the ineptitude of their so called superiors.
How have those managers remained employed?? What a disaster.
Hey Sunfish..Very true words. Where does that leave the Lame who is the meat in the sandwich trying to keep the aircraft flying at an unreasonable cost? If your the guy who signed for the last related task before the bird goes down, you will be hung on it!!
Just like the greedy managers.Whilst it is great to have a profitable Airline, I do not see how that gives small penis managers the right to waste money left right and center on a small group of guys who dared to highlight the ineptitude of their so called superiors.
How have those managers remained employed?? What a disaster.
Hey Sunfish..Very true words. Where does that leave the Lame who is the meat in the sandwich trying to keep the aircraft flying at an unreasonable cost? If your the guy who signed for the last related task before the bird goes down, you will be hung on it!!
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You paint a very scary picture - allowing 4 to 500 people to suffer the bonus orientated manager mind.
When will enough be enough - bonus's paid for performance.
Telstra gave their CEO the golden handshake to get rid of him - under performance rewarded.
When an aircraft goes in, it is rarely the companies fault as they are tin plated with rules procedures and enough paperwork to tie up a 100 people for 100 years trying to find out if they were the cause. It is easier to blame the last person who worked on it and if that fails the pilot as they are generally not there to defend themselves.
Should the shareholders demand that the reputation of an iconic brand be maintained to ensure that the unthinkable will not occur.
The near sale of the company under dubious circumstances highlighted the vulnerability of the shares - some gains but generally huge losses once the dust settled - have they recovered ?
When will enough be enough - bonus's paid for performance.
Telstra gave their CEO the golden handshake to get rid of him - under performance rewarded.
When an aircraft goes in, it is rarely the companies fault as they are tin plated with rules procedures and enough paperwork to tie up a 100 people for 100 years trying to find out if they were the cause. It is easier to blame the last person who worked on it and if that fails the pilot as they are generally not there to defend themselves.
Should the shareholders demand that the reputation of an iconic brand be maintained to ensure that the unthinkable will not occur.
The near sale of the company under dubious circumstances highlighted the vulnerability of the shares - some gains but generally huge losses once the dust settled - have they recovered ?
First of all, don't knock the shareholders. They want to see long term eturns for their investment. That means they are concerned about the brand and safety. They just have to rely on the Board to safeguard their investment.
I have no qualms about paying bonuses either, however I have big issues with how the bonuses are paid.
The issue is about time lines.
The Board and CEO should be looking at the health of the company Five to Ten years ahead, perhaps even more when aircraft life cycles are concerned.
Senior management should be looking one to Four years ahead.
Middle managers and staff - this year - Twelve months rolling, etc.
But giving a CEO a bonus for the last Twelve months performance? All that does is focus him on current performance and invites micromanagement and sub optimal decision making. She is supposed to be looking for long term profitability, not short term cost cutting.
Bonuses should be considerably larger than they already are ....but payable or calculate - able until Five years have elapsed for Board and Senior management. That way we get to see some long term thinking.
I have no qualms about paying bonuses either, however I have big issues with how the bonuses are paid.
The issue is about time lines.
The Board and CEO should be looking at the health of the company Five to Ten years ahead, perhaps even more when aircraft life cycles are concerned.
Senior management should be looking one to Four years ahead.
Middle managers and staff - this year - Twelve months rolling, etc.
But giving a CEO a bonus for the last Twelve months performance? All that does is focus him on current performance and invites micromanagement and sub optimal decision making. She is supposed to be looking for long term profitability, not short term cost cutting.
Bonuses should be considerably larger than they already are ....but payable or calculate - able until Five years have elapsed for Board and Senior management. That way we get to see some long term thinking.
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he Board and CEO should be looking at the health of the company Five to Ten years ahead, perhaps even more when aircraft life cycles are concerned.
Qantas?
Jetstar!
That doesn't mean the "name" Qantas will disappear.... it will just change form.
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When Dixon was CEO with wages plus bonuses he made 33,000 dollars a day seven days a week put that into a 5 day week 10 hrs a day if he took a ten minute sh!t he would have made 552 dollars for sitting on the can.
In 2008 Dixon was paid $12.1 million. This included a “retention payment” of $4.5 million.
In 2009, even though Dixon only worked for four months, he received “base pay” of $1.9 million and total remuneration of $10.7 million. That’s Lot of money for four months’ work I don’t understand how it was justified to pay one person all this.And this was given to him while Qantas was having a big slump in profits. What do the shareholders think about that I would not be impressed!
You can’t tell me that one person is worth that much money!
But they are happy to pay one CEO 552 dollars for laying a loafer but spend millions preventing workers getting that amount for the whole year in wage rise. Dose not make sense to me
In 2008 Dixon was paid $12.1 million. This included a “retention payment” of $4.5 million.
In 2009, even though Dixon only worked for four months, he received “base pay” of $1.9 million and total remuneration of $10.7 million. That’s Lot of money for four months’ work I don’t understand how it was justified to pay one person all this.And this was given to him while Qantas was having a big slump in profits. What do the shareholders think about that I would not be impressed!
You can’t tell me that one person is worth that much money!
But they are happy to pay one CEO 552 dollars for laying a loafer but spend millions preventing workers getting that amount for the whole year in wage rise. Dose not make sense to me
But they are happy to pay one CEO 552 dollars for laying a loafer but spend millions preventing workers getting that amount for the whole year in wage rise. Dose not make sense to me
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It is good to see the interest being shown on this thread, however the real reason it started was 6 LAME'S stood down for doing their job.
The incompetents at Q after 12 weeks are still to make a decision regarding these people. Reminder these people are 1/3 of the licence coverage in Bris vegas.
Hopefully have update tomorrow.
Could be a new regional operator soon - bring it on !
Pick the right aircraft - training costs NIL - instant WORKERS.
The incompetents at Q after 12 weeks are still to make a decision regarding these people. Reminder these people are 1/3 of the licence coverage in Bris vegas.
Hopefully have update tomorrow.
Could be a new regional operator soon - bring it on !
Pick the right aircraft - training costs NIL - instant WORKERS.
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Guys are apparently going to get a call today with the outcome.
I am concerned that they have taken 3 months to decide what they will do with these guys. The ALAEA has already commenced action against them in the Federal Court to prevent them from taking any disciplinary action against the 6 for reporting defects on aircraft. I am thinking that they have been preparing their QC's for three months in order to give Qlink a chance of defending their disgraceful actions in the court room.
I am concerned that they have taken 3 months to decide what they will do with these guys. The ALAEA has already commenced action against them in the Federal Court to prevent them from taking any disciplinary action against the 6 for reporting defects on aircraft. I am thinking that they have been preparing their QC's for three months in order to give Qlink a chance of defending their disgraceful actions in the court room.
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I am almost certain they will be given some form of draconian punishment with the intent of complicating the issue of EBA's and distracting and draining the resources of the ALAEA.
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I am concerned that they have taken 3 months to decide what they will do with these guys. The ALAEA has already commenced action against them in the Federal Court to prevent them from taking any disciplinary action against the 6 for reporting defects on aircraft. I am thinking that they have been preparing their QC's for three months in order to give Qlink a chance of defending their disgraceful actions in the court room.
I hope I am wrong as I am not usually a half glass empty person.
The incompetents at Q after 12 weeks are still to make a decision regarding these people. Reminder these people are 1/3 of the licence coverage in Bris vegas.
Isn't it comforting to see that a legacy carrier would purposefully create an unecessary elevation of risk within it's organisation over a handful of blokes popping doors with a popsicle stick ? Some say the regulator does not want to be involved in this isue due to it being 'industrial'. Who cares what the reason is, the fact remains that the elevated risk level remains high while this game is being played out. I hope the public and the shareholders are hapy about this ?
When Dixon was CEO with wages plus bonuses he made 33,000 dollars a day seven days a week put that into a 5 day week 10 hrs a day if he took a ten minute sh!t he would have made 552 dollars for sitting on the can.
But they are happy to pay one CEO 552 dollars for laying a loafer but spend millions preventing workers getting that amount for the whole year in wage rise.
But they are happy to pay one CEO 552 dollars for laying a loafer but spend millions preventing workers getting that amount for the whole year in wage rise.
Maybe we could break the figures down even further for Darth (approximates) ;
- Sneezing 3 times plus the courteous nose wipe after inhaling a waft of his corporate lunch of salt n pepper calamari, Time = 30 seconds, payment = $26.60 (no bonus).
- Time taken to drink 2 James Boags and do an 'extended inflamed prostate pi#s, Time = 2 mins 55 seconds including the traditional stop start process plus an extra jingle upon completion, payment = $ 170.10 (no bonus)
- Time taken to perve on Marge after a baord meeting as she bends over to pick up the remnants of her veal scallopini which she spilled on the floor after she panicked when she thought she heard a voice call out 'sell sell sell', Time = 15 seconds, payment = $13.80 (bonus of 300 000 shares)
- Time taken to assist in preening and adjusting Strong James bowtie before a shareholder meeting, included is the traditional 'breath test' to ensure ones breath doesnt smell like a dirty $50 note, some cheap banter about proxies and dividends plus a shared joke about a Pilots penis size. Time = 35 minutes, payment = $ 1,932.00 (plus idiot shareholder approved bonus of $1.9 million)..........
