Rumour: Sunstate Engineers suspended over aircraft sabotage?
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Around 20 blokes have been docked wages for what the company says is illegal industrial activity. Stuff like taking 10 minutes to get out to an aircraft after you start work or taking too long to finish a check (because you found defects). The dockings were up to 28 hours pay.
The other issue is 6 blokes who are still sttod down subject to a disciplinary investigation because they wrote up snags on cockpit doors.
The other issue is 6 blokes who are still sttod down subject to a disciplinary investigation because they wrote up snags on cockpit doors.
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Mate, I still dont understand, please PM me with an explanation. These guys are loosing money for being at work???? I am lost for words, I know I am an old fart who knows nothing, but hey, Please explain
Mate, I still dont understand, please PM me with an explanation. These guys are loosing money for being at work???? I am lost for words, I know I am an old fart who knows nothing, but hey, Please explain
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As I have said earlier, I dont understand. How come you blokes are still in there working??
I know I am old school, but please explain?
I know I am old school, but please explain?
Why are they still putting up with this shocking treatment?
Maybe the ALAEA Fed Sec could explain please.
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If their protected action is for overtime bans, well, that's it.
stopping work because scabs are working over in the shed
would leave them unprotected, and all that entails.
What the great battle with the last QF lame eba proved was the
lames need to be extra vigilent, as management was preying
one would slip up and give some excuse for a nasty rodgering.
Even so, many QF lames were docked pay, left with letters on their files
and worse. The scabs were ignored, and most achieved nothing besides
picking up a few hundred thousand bucks for their dodgy efforts, then
crawled back into the woodwork.
stopping work because scabs are working over in the shed
would leave them unprotected, and all that entails.
What the great battle with the last QF lame eba proved was the
lames need to be extra vigilent, as management was preying
one would slip up and give some excuse for a nasty rodgering.
Even so, many QF lames were docked pay, left with letters on their files
and worse. The scabs were ignored, and most achieved nothing besides
picking up a few hundred thousand bucks for their dodgy efforts, then
crawled back into the woodwork.
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Sunstate Airlines??
I am new to the forum..foregive me for being a little naive...I thought the engineers that were stood down were from Qantaslink. The brand of Sunstate Airlines disappeared years ago, but I see it is back.
I am a young AME and always thought that Qlink would be a great place to try and get a job one day. From what I am reading I would be better off going elsewhwere!!
I am a young AME and always thought that Qlink would be a great place to try and get a job one day. From what I am reading I would be better off going elsewhwere!!
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Ok, there is obviously a lot I dont understand about the modern IR
Please explain!!
The first time I walked out the door was when I was 17, (1967) We were the first apprentices in Australia (happened in SA)to walk, ( look that up)
Anyway, all that is not relavent to today, So whats happening???
Please explain!!
The first time I walked out the door was when I was 17, (1967) We were the first apprentices in Australia (happened in SA)to walk, ( look that up)
Anyway, all that is not relavent to today, So whats happening???
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Its got to do with the workplace laws and hangovers from Johnnies workchoices. To explain in simple terms.
You can only take Industrial Action when your employment contract has expired. You need to have a ballot and write to the company and tell them what you are doing. We have done this and have some overtime bans on.
You can't just stop work whenever you like. If you do, you lose a minumum of 4 hours pay even if you stop work for 30 minutes. You also lose pay if the company tells you to do something and you don't do it as you normally would.
The company claim that the blokes have been directed to start at 0515. They claim that they didn't get to the aircraft until 0525. They have declared that this is not normal (even though it is). Docked 4 hours.
The company have asked blokes to do an overnight check. They estimated that it would take for example 100 man hours including rectification. It took much longer because an engine oil leak into the compressor was noted (sound like another aircraft we have all heard about) that led to an engine change. All employees (union ones) rostered on, docked 4 hours pay each day plane was there even if they didn't work the aircraft.
Can we just stop working and say up yours? You bet we can. Do the company want us to do that? You bet they do. Then they can sack them all and offer jobs back to the select few and make sure the others never work in our industry again. The company are being as nasty as they possibly can hoping that our blokes do something stupid. They won't. Just happy to chip away with some overtime restrictions for now. As a wise man once said "Sit by the banks of the river long enough and eventually the dead bodies of your enemies will come floating by".
The blokes don't want more money, just the same offerings as their Eastern couterparts.
You can only take Industrial Action when your employment contract has expired. You need to have a ballot and write to the company and tell them what you are doing. We have done this and have some overtime bans on.
You can't just stop work whenever you like. If you do, you lose a minumum of 4 hours pay even if you stop work for 30 minutes. You also lose pay if the company tells you to do something and you don't do it as you normally would.
The company claim that the blokes have been directed to start at 0515. They claim that they didn't get to the aircraft until 0525. They have declared that this is not normal (even though it is). Docked 4 hours.
The company have asked blokes to do an overnight check. They estimated that it would take for example 100 man hours including rectification. It took much longer because an engine oil leak into the compressor was noted (sound like another aircraft we have all heard about) that led to an engine change. All employees (union ones) rostered on, docked 4 hours pay each day plane was there even if they didn't work the aircraft.
Can we just stop working and say up yours? You bet we can. Do the company want us to do that? You bet they do. Then they can sack them all and offer jobs back to the select few and make sure the others never work in our industry again. The company are being as nasty as they possibly can hoping that our blokes do something stupid. They won't. Just happy to chip away with some overtime restrictions for now. As a wise man once said "Sit by the banks of the river long enough and eventually the dead bodies of your enemies will come floating by".
The blokes don't want more money, just the same offerings as their Eastern couterparts.
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the engineers that were stood down were from Qantaslink. The brand of Sunstate Airlines disappeared years ago, but I see it is back.
Even CASA when I contacted them went to great lengths to explain to me that it was NOT Qantas.
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The company claim that the blokes have been directed to start at 0515. They claim that they didn't get to the aircraft until 0525. They have declared that this is not normal (even though it is). Docked 4 hours.
I would owe a lot of Companies a LOT of money.
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I am going to say what I think.
I think you blokes are week!!
I am going to say what I think.
I think you blokes are week!!
I don't reckon too many people think the ALAEA and its members these days are weak. If our actions were playing out in the mid 70's it may seem a little tame. Post 89 the laws changed rapidly. By 96, Howard had made it extremely company friendly.
We have to play our hand smartly these days.
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Not Qantas
Funny, you need to apply to Qantas HR for a job. They work in a Qantas Hangar and have red rats on there tails. Sure looks like Qantas. So they take the money from customers at a Qantas premium then want it run like a small reginal/GA buisiness, then if you step out of line they will use the full force of Qantas IR to crucify the poor engineer. Awsome, great place to work. Hope it dosen't catch on in other businesses.
I can't afford it, but I will throw some money in the fund as well. Wish them all the best.
I can't afford it, but I will throw some money in the fund as well. Wish them all the best.
I don't reckon too many people think the ALAEA and its members these days are weak
Well I'll say it, I do
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Fair Work Australia NOT !!!
It seems Fair work Australia is not really that. I got an item off ninemsn the other day where a paper mill where going to fine workers $6000.00 each for not volunteering to work Christmas day ( unprotected industrial action). The pay rate for the day was $128 per hour, obviously the money is not the attraction but time with the family is.
Here I am having worked many Christmas's for a damn lot less because it is an accepted part of the aviation industry. It is this sort of repercussions which are probably keeping the remaining guys at Qantaslink turning up for work on a daily basis and ensuring they can feed their families. The possible loss of 4 hours pay is way less than what fines could be imposed.
Here I am having worked many Christmas's for a damn lot less because it is an accepted part of the aviation industry. It is this sort of repercussions which are probably keeping the remaining guys at Qantaslink turning up for work on a daily basis and ensuring they can feed their families. The possible loss of 4 hours pay is way less than what fines could be imposed.
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arnold you just don't get anything do you.
the laws have changed quite dramatically over the years and the fed sec is spot on with the above comment. You need to out smart today.
Instead of pm your 67 stuff why don't you post it here so we can all explain why it will no longer work.
Armchair amateurs do just as much damage as the airlines. You haven#t kept up to date with the law, you don't even grasp a basic comment on context yet you know how to undermine Qantas management playing political games.
Come on, don't make me laugh.
We have to play our hand smartly these days
Instead of pm your 67 stuff why don't you post it here so we can all explain why it will no longer work.
Armchair amateurs do just as much damage as the airlines. You haven#t kept up to date with the law, you don't even grasp a basic comment on context yet you know how to undermine Qantas management playing political games.
Come on, don't make me laugh.
Armchair amateurs
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Despite all of that, I support the Q link engineers, both in finance and industrially
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times have changed and it ain't 67 any more.
Can't you read. If the guys don't watch their backs they are out of work. The law doesn't support getting them their jobs back.
You need to get a bit more street wise as to whats going on in the industry today, it aint a nice place to be and get it wrong tactically its all over.
I totally support the guys, the ALAEA position and efforts on this, and with patience from all including armchair observers, they will win through.
Can't you read. If the guys don't watch their backs they are out of work. The law doesn't support getting them their jobs back.
You need to get a bit more street wise as to whats going on in the industry today, it aint a nice place to be and get it wrong tactically its all over.
I totally support the guys, the ALAEA position and efforts on this, and with patience from all including armchair observers, they will win through.