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No they 6 are still off work.
The Qantas group are ruthless in their persecution of those who don't assist them with their game of hide the sausage from the regulators. They have all now received letters from Freehills law firm (the ones who wrote little Johnnies workplace laws) and Qantas will be doing everything to defend their position of punishing employees who do terrible things such as reporting defects that they don't want anyone to know about.
I know management read this site. Let me make one thing clear. If you harm our brothers any further I will be calling on our Aviation Federation, our Pilot friends and the entire industry to get behind these LAMEs who have just done what the CARs require of them. It will be number one item on every news outlet in this country and your reputation will suffer.
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The Qantas group are ruthless in their persecution of those who don't assist them with their game of hide the sausage from the regulators. They have all now received letters from Freehills law firm (the ones who wrote little Johnnies workplace laws) and Qantas will be doing everything to defend their position of punishing employees who do terrible things such as reporting defects that they don't want anyone to know about.
I know management read this site. Let me make one thing clear. If you harm our brothers any further I will be calling on our Aviation Federation, our Pilot friends and the entire industry to get behind these LAMEs who have just done what the CARs require of them. It will be number one item on every news outlet in this country and your reputation will suffer.
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I will be calling on our Aviation Federation, our Pilot friends and the entire industry to get behind these LAMEs who have just done what the CARs require of them.
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I am shocked and disappointed that the whole Industry is NOT already backing these LAMEs 100%...........
I wonder if CASA is now going through the QF A380 aircraft and engine documentation with a fine tooth comb.....
Can't manage a cockpit door, let alone an RB211.
Will they lift the QF AOC?
To put it another way; How can QF thunder about its "unbroken safety record" in relation to the A380 incident, at the same time penalising LAMES who are responsible for the "Unbroken safety record"?????
Did a Qantas LAME see the oil stains on the RB211 and look the other way?
What we have here is cognitive dissonance. Either QF is the worlds safest airline, courtesy of its engineers, cabin crew and pilots, or its a sh1tty make believe cash generator trading on its unearned reputation.
Which is it? It can't be both.
Can't manage a cockpit door, let alone an RB211.
Will they lift the QF AOC?
To put it another way; How can QF thunder about its "unbroken safety record" in relation to the A380 incident, at the same time penalising LAMES who are responsible for the "Unbroken safety record"?????
Did a Qantas LAME see the oil stains on the RB211 and look the other way?
What we have here is cognitive dissonance. Either QF is the worlds safest airline, courtesy of its engineers, cabin crew and pilots, or its a sh1tty make believe cash generator trading on its unearned reputation.
Which is it? It can't be both.
Its reputation was earned, but a long time before these clowns were running the show
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It will come to a head soon enough, within ten years I predict an executive manager will be held accountable for loss of life. Then the erosion will have reached it's maximum.
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Accountability ?
I have an intersting point to make. My background involves safety, but from an investigative direction. But this morning I was perusing ICAO's website looking through some of their annexes and I noticed that under a safety management system the CEO is the accountable person within the company. It also mentions a 'just culture'. Excuse me if I am wrong, but if the safety management system is actually in legislation, why is the CEO in this case not being held accountable for the issues at hand ? Or does accountability only kick in when deaths occur ? Under a 'just culture' wouldn't the actions that these 6 LAME's took constitute a positive and proactive attempt to resolve a potentially dangerous issue, and if anything shouldn't they be rewarded ? I have not seen or heard of any wilful violation perpetrated by these LAME's, if this is true it must therefore be a breach of QF's own safety management system to act the way they have done towards the LAME's in question ?
It has to be unbelievable that no regulatory action has been taken against QF in this instance alone ?
The public, media, industry employee's and every listening ear needs to get behind these LAME's and demand that the injustice that has been served upon them be revoked. This would appear to be a despicable and of more concern dangerous display of arrogance on behalf of QF and the regulatory powers in Sydney.
It has to be unbelievable that no regulatory action has been taken against QF in this instance alone ?
The public, media, industry employee's and every listening ear needs to get behind these LAME's and demand that the injustice that has been served upon them be revoked. This would appear to be a despicable and of more concern dangerous display of arrogance on behalf of QF and the regulatory powers in Sydney.
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The day ANY aviation professional is " forbidden " to point out a safety or security issue whenever and wherever they find them will be the day we should fold the tents and give up.
It was always my understanding that an Australian LAME was in effect, a delegate of the Airworthiness body, of the day.
The shambolic state of today's body is an indication of why Qantas management can tout " world's best practice " and get away with it.
It was always my understanding that an Australian LAME was in effect, a delegate of the Airworthiness body, of the day.
The shambolic state of today's body is an indication of why Qantas management can tout " world's best practice " and get away with it.
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The day ANY aviation professional is " forbidden " to point out a safety or security issue whenever and wherever they find them will be the day we should fold the tents and give up.
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The regulator, CASA, appears to religiously audit GA operations and either prosecutes under the criminal code or takes away the livelihood of LAMES for any slip or error they have made.
Lets assume that this cockpit door problem existed on a Two bit charter operator in Western Australia, and it was detected by a random audit by CASA. Outcome?
1. Show cause notice issued to the operator as to why AOC should not be cancelled for this gross violation of the regulations?
2. Prosecution of the LAME who had signed the maintenance release.
To put it another way; if the LAMES concerned do not report the defect they are in violation of Australian law.
The day ANY aviation professional is " forbidden " to point out a safety or security issue whenever and wherever they find them will be the day we should fold the tents and give up.
It was always my understanding that an Australian LAME was in effect, a delegate of the Airworthiness body, of the day.
The shambolic state of today's body is an indication of why Qantas management can tout " world's best practice " and get away with it.
It was always my understanding that an Australian LAME was in effect, a delegate of the Airworthiness body, of the day.
The shambolic state of today's body is an indication of why Qantas management can tout " world's best practice " and get away with it.
Lets assume that this cockpit door problem existed on a Two bit charter operator in Western Australia, and it was detected by a random audit by CASA. Outcome?
1. Show cause notice issued to the operator as to why AOC should not be cancelled for this gross violation of the regulations?
2. Prosecution of the LAME who had signed the maintenance release.
To put it another way; if the LAMES concerned do not report the defect they are in violation of Australian law.
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Again, I think it is truly disgusting that nothing is being done about this, to the Company and their Management, but mainly to help these LAMES.
However I guess some things never change.
When Compass was operating we had numerous visits from CASA Inspectors on the line on A300s waiting to depart, not once when the aircraft were overnight or idle, delaying their departure while they checked all the paperwork, and they found nothing wrong.
Once when it was the third time in a week they did this I said to one of them why do you do this to Compass but not the others?
He said we do this to ALL Airlines on a regular basis.
I then said to him bul****t, I was with (one of the other Airlines at the time) for more than 28 years and you NEVER did it even once.
Needless to say he had NO answer.
However I guess some things never change.
When Compass was operating we had numerous visits from CASA Inspectors on the line on A300s waiting to depart, not once when the aircraft were overnight or idle, delaying their departure while they checked all the paperwork, and they found nothing wrong.
Once when it was the third time in a week they did this I said to one of them why do you do this to Compass but not the others?
He said we do this to ALL Airlines on a regular basis.
I then said to him bul****t, I was with (one of the other Airlines at the time) for more than 28 years and you NEVER did it even once.
Needless to say he had NO answer.
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Could you be suggesting that the other airline and CASA were on the "same team"?
Is it possible that CASA and a certain airline might be on the "same team" now?
You may feel you need to use that oft quoted statement from the comedy, Yes Minister, "I couldn't possibly comment on that".
Could you be suggesting that the other airline and CASA were on the "same team"?
Is it possible that CASA and a certain airline might be on the "same team" now?
You may feel you need to use that oft quoted statement from the comedy, Yes Minister, "I couldn't possibly comment on that".
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Just for your info all,
I was at a meeting with Qantaslink management yesterday and a copy of this thread was put on the table by them. They essentially asked if I was threatening them with my previous post. I let them know that I was and that the fallout should they take any action against our 6 would be too much for them to cope with.
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I was at a meeting with Qantaslink management yesterday and a copy of this thread was put on the table by them. They essentially asked if I was threatening them with my previous post. I let them know that I was and that the fallout should they take any action against our 6 would be too much for them to cope with.
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Could you be suggesting that the other airline and CASA were on the "same team"?
Is it possible that CASA and a certain airline might be on the "same team" now?
Is it possible that CASA and a certain airline might be on the "same team" now?
However it was NOT the Airline that is the subject of this thread, it was the Airline that is no longer operating itself, so I had better not say too much.
I think any reasonable person would now think there is a very close and cosy relationship between CASA and Qantas.
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Just for your info all,
I was at a meeting with Qantaslink management yesterday and a copy of this thread was put on the table by them. They essentially asked if I was threatening them with my previous post. I let them know that I was and that the fallout should they take any action against our 6 would be too much for them to cope with.
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I was at a meeting with Qantaslink management yesterday and a copy of this thread was put on the table by them. They essentially asked if I was threatening them with my previous post. I let them know that I was and that the fallout should they take any action against our 6 would be too much for them to cope with.
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I just cannot believe this is happening in Australia.
I worked all over the World in my Lifetime in the Industry, under a CASA Licence but in Countries including Russia, Vietnam and many others, and have never heard of such a ridiculous situation with LAMEs.
Hopefully it will be sorted VERY soon.