Rumour: Sunstate Engineers suspended over aircraft sabotage?
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Steve, I dont understand what's going on here, why is the union supporting guys that want to leave the industry and thereby the union, what goes on here???
Apart from a couple who are nearing retirement age, the rest have jobs in the industry to go to
We must also support fully our pilot brother who has been suspended for refusing overtime
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The union doesn't negotiate to help people get out of the industry. People however get older and eventually retire, that's just the way it is. Two of the 11 who left Sunstate I understand are going to retire, they would have anyway, I can't see a problem with that. If you know a fountain of youth out there, let me know, we can put it on our claim list.
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No! No! No! 600ft-lb, you don't understand the mindset of these managers! The actual ability of the engineers is irrelevant to know nothing managers! What the managers want is abject subservience - compliance, even when the engineer knows that the manager is wrong.
This is the crux of the entire Qantas problem! All staff are regarded as replaceable automatons in that no one is better than any other one, and the automatons don't have to be too bright either, just compliant and follow orders!
The engineers were obviously considered not good otherwise they wouldn't of been treated like they were scum.
This is the crux of the entire Qantas problem! All staff are regarded as replaceable automatons in that no one is better than any other one, and the automatons don't have to be too bright either, just compliant and follow orders!
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Redundancy
18 months of crap.
Fines delivered late at night, nothing like a good night sleep.
Waiting and waiting for outcome , workplace 
, waiting, waiting waiting. Mortgage going backwards, scabs being paid more. Waiting, waiting and yes more waiting.Short shifts ,more days spent in this enviroment Took redundancy, wait no longer.
Fines delivered late at night, nothing like a good night sleep. Waiting and waiting for outcome , workplace , waiting, waiting waiting. Mortgage going backwards, scabs being paid more. Waiting, waiting and yes more waiting.Short shifts ,more days spent in this enviroment Took redundancy, wait no longer.
Sounds familiar Sunfish
Philip Zimbardo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Quite a few parallels exist in todays across the board 'Buggery Campaign' to say the least. Its the effects of hierarchy on the individuals only following orders, being put in the position to do that job, only following orders and not to be held responsible at the end of the day.
If you've got some time to kill its an interesting watch.
What the managers want is abject subservience - compliance, even when the engineer knows that the manager is wrong.
The study shows that before the volunteer prisoners started showing signs of distress, they did not take the guards and their authority seriously. The prisoners mocked the guards, trying to regain their individuality. This, however, was short-lived. The prisoners soon realized that the attitude of the guards was very serious and that they demanded obedience. This began a long string of confrontational quarrels between the guards and prisoners. The guards used physical punishment and exercises, such as pushups, in order to show their authority to the prisoners.
In the morning of only the second day, a rebellion broke out among the volunteer prisoners. They ripped off their uniforms and locked themselves in their cells by pushing their beds up against the door. In response to this, the guards became very angry and called for backup assistance to the situation. This surprised Zimbardo as well as the rest of the psychologists because they had not thought it would be taken this far. Guards who were not on duty were called in and the guards who were assigned to only the night shift stayed with the guards who came in all the way through their shift the next morning. The tactic the guards came up with was to fight back in order to discipline the unruly prisoners and make them obey. In response to the prisoners barricading themselves in their cells, the guards used fire extinguishers on them to get them away from the entrances.
Once the guards were able to get into the cells, they stripped the inmates naked, tore apart the beds and the cell, and put the prisoners who had started the rebellion in solitary confinement. As all nine guards could not be on duty at once, they began rewarding the prisoners for good behavior. The prisoners who had not been involved in starting the riot were allowed to lie in their beds, wash themselves and brush their teeth and eat while those who had started the riot were not allowed to. The guards continued to use tormenting tactics to break up the prisoners relations with each other to avoid further organized resistance. In the case with one prisoner, who was a smoker, the guards were able to control his behavior because they decided when and if he was allowed to smoke.
In the morning of only the second day, a rebellion broke out among the volunteer prisoners. They ripped off their uniforms and locked themselves in their cells by pushing their beds up against the door. In response to this, the guards became very angry and called for backup assistance to the situation. This surprised Zimbardo as well as the rest of the psychologists because they had not thought it would be taken this far. Guards who were not on duty were called in and the guards who were assigned to only the night shift stayed with the guards who came in all the way through their shift the next morning. The tactic the guards came up with was to fight back in order to discipline the unruly prisoners and make them obey. In response to the prisoners barricading themselves in their cells, the guards used fire extinguishers on them to get them away from the entrances.
Once the guards were able to get into the cells, they stripped the inmates naked, tore apart the beds and the cell, and put the prisoners who had started the rebellion in solitary confinement. As all nine guards could not be on duty at once, they began rewarding the prisoners for good behavior. The prisoners who had not been involved in starting the riot were allowed to lie in their beds, wash themselves and brush their teeth and eat while those who had started the riot were not allowed to. The guards continued to use tormenting tactics to break up the prisoners relations with each other to avoid further organized resistance. In the case with one prisoner, who was a smoker, the guards were able to control his behavior because they decided when and if he was allowed to smoke.
If you've got some time to kill its an interesting watch.
It must have been very difficult at times.