Rumour: Sunstate Engineers suspended over aircraft sabotage?
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Here's a link that gives you an insight into why were are in the **** we are in, power elites sole expertise being privileged [zerohedge].
Gobbledock:
Gobbler, you are talking about consultants, not managers.
Finally to all my management friends I wish you all the best as you daily monitor your excel spreadsheets while wearing your silk ties, sip Earl Gray from bone china cups, nod and wink at each other as you recline on your Italian leather chairs while perched around a large oval mahogany table and as you ‘oil up’ in preparation for your next round of ‘nude twister’.
Gobbler, you are talking about consultants, not managers.
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Respect to the men maintaining the RPT fleet.
I haven't been involved at your part of the aviation industry so can but imagine what working under the conditions described in this thread would be like.
The top guns in helicopter maintenance would have rolled their swag, packed the toolbox and be at their next engagement before the ink had dried on their resignation.
You blokes don't have this luxury, and have to see the issue out to the (bitter) end.
I am indeed perplexed by the tact taken by your Chief Engineer, this is the man supposed to stand between you and management, enforce the regulations and ensure safety of the flying public. He has not done all of these all the time.
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I haven't been involved at your part of the aviation industry so can but imagine what working under the conditions described in this thread would be like.
The top guns in helicopter maintenance would have rolled their swag, packed the toolbox and be at their next engagement before the ink had dried on their resignation.
You blokes don't have this luxury, and have to see the issue out to the (bitter) end.
I am indeed perplexed by the tact taken by your Chief Engineer, this is the man supposed to stand between you and management, enforce the regulations and ensure safety of the flying public. He has not done all of these all the time.
Cheers
BH
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Chief Engineer, this is the man supposed to stand between you and management
Hey Blackhand,
Chief engineer what chief engineer, had one, saw what was about to happen and went fishing. Previous position filled by morons - couldn't or didn't want to change definitely no spine or balls to stand up. Current management obviously JELLYFISH right or wrong are going to allow this disgraceful occurrence and not for the first time.
Some where in the back corner of the bookshelf - The bible " Management for Dummies" written by Dummies.
Chief engineer what chief engineer, had one, saw what was about to happen and went fishing. Previous position filled by morons - couldn't or didn't want to change definitely no spine or balls to stand up. Current management obviously JELLYFISH right or wrong are going to allow this disgraceful occurrence and not for the first time.
Some where in the back corner of the bookshelf - The bible " Management for Dummies" written by Dummies.
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Gobbler, you are talking about consultants, not managers.
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Modern Manager
Dear gobbledock,
The behaviour that you describe in your second last paragraph may be limited to the modern manager in Alabama. Here in OZ the engineers at Qantaslink are in a period of protected industrial action, but you will find a handful of engineers lining their pockets with overtime and endearing themselves to the modern manager, in other ways.
I can't say I've seen engineers sip Earl Gray from a bone china cup. Only a Lipton tea bag and the plastic mug. Maybe thats the difference between the two.
The behaviour that you describe in your second last paragraph may be limited to the modern manager in Alabama. Here in OZ the engineers at Qantaslink are in a period of protected industrial action, but you will find a handful of engineers lining their pockets with overtime and endearing themselves to the modern manager, in other ways.
I can't say I've seen engineers sip Earl Gray from a bone china cup. Only a Lipton tea bag and the plastic mug. Maybe thats the difference between the two.
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I think GLBS mibght be taking the piss out of the "Modern manager"
Dear Gobble Dock,
the behaviour that you describe in your second last paragraph my be limited to the mordern manager in Alabama.
the behaviour that you describe in your second last paragraph my be limited to the mordern manager in Alabama.
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The main issue with the local managers at Sunnies is that there is none. The current batch of so called managers who mind you have been in there positions for an eternity are there by default. If Sunnies had not been aligned with Qantas for the early days they would not have survived. That situation has given some people with very limited ability the opportunity to benifit from circumstance.
These very average AME's (now managers) are now years later making descissions which have an extremely detrimental effect on the quality of aircraft maintenance. They are hell bent on keeping there noses clean in the eyes of their managers by allowing themselves to be used as a cost cutting mechanism. They niether have the ability, nor the desire to put pressure on their managers by highlighting flaws or shortcomings in their systems. They have provided the fuel for this dispute by keeping their heads in the sand, and shouting down anyone who stands up agaist them.
This company has been and continues to be run as a dictatorship. The only people who are willing to comply with this type of management style are people under threat or people who believe they have no choice (i.e. related??).
The one saving grace is that all dictatorships collapse when the mob rises. I hope they continue to rise because they deserve better then they are getting at the moment.
These very average AME's (now managers) are now years later making descissions which have an extremely detrimental effect on the quality of aircraft maintenance. They are hell bent on keeping there noses clean in the eyes of their managers by allowing themselves to be used as a cost cutting mechanism. They niether have the ability, nor the desire to put pressure on their managers by highlighting flaws or shortcomings in their systems. They have provided the fuel for this dispute by keeping their heads in the sand, and shouting down anyone who stands up agaist them.
This company has been and continues to be run as a dictatorship. The only people who are willing to comply with this type of management style are people under threat or people who believe they have no choice (i.e. related??).
The one saving grace is that all dictatorships collapse when the mob rises. I hope they continue to rise because they deserve better then they are getting at the moment.
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what are they doing
I heard that a LAME and on a different occasion a AME they both witness a manager using a screwdriver to pry open the cockpit door locks to try and open it and while doing this damaged the lock and past the blame onto the engineers for willingly damaging the a/c. Can anyone confirm this? And if this is the case it is truly disgraceful and he should be under investigation for a/c sabotage. How dose a half-bred idiot like this get into a management position
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what are they doing
L Riding hood
Do you really want people like this fixing aircraft 100% of the time.
NO.
People of this ability are usually weeded out early in the piece at other organisations - but they are promoted to astronomical heights in this case as they do - anything, usually do not use parts ( cheaper), don't argue because they don't know and follow orders from above right or wrong once again because they don't have a clue.
Ever since the regional s were likened to buses with wings, then what do you expect eventually the bus mechanics would take over
Do you really want people like this fixing aircraft 100% of the time.
NO.People of this ability are usually weeded out early in the piece at other organisations - but they are promoted to astronomical heights in this case as they do - anything, usually do not use parts ( cheaper), don't argue because they don't know and follow orders from above right or wrong once again because they don't have a clue.
Ever since the regional s were likened to buses with wings, then what do you expect eventually the bus mechanics would take over
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Just read this whole thread, 61k for a LAME on a RPT aircraft is horrendous, AND then the airline offers annual wage increases less than CPI, no backpay for new EA etc etc. Good thing I left mainline flying rat as soon as I got my trade cert a few years back, even then as a fresh faced AME i knew the industry would soon.
Sad to think these days i cruise around in a company ute on far better dollars than these blokes and I don't have any aircraft or part thereof to certify. No lives to worry about except my own. I do find it amusing the ALAEA can admit noone can afford a walkout yet I have been involved in two spontaneous walkouts under the ETU within the last 12 months and all i copped was the docking of half day's pay and the good feeling of showing up to work the next day with issue's we walked out over resolved. It's a different world when your employer values you and the work you do, union member or not.
Oh and Bigdog01 you can refer to me as Littledog i suppose
Sad to think these days i cruise around in a company ute on far better dollars than these blokes and I don't have any aircraft or part thereof to certify. No lives to worry about except my own. I do find it amusing the ALAEA can admit noone can afford a walkout yet I have been involved in two spontaneous walkouts under the ETU within the last 12 months and all i copped was the docking of half day's pay and the good feeling of showing up to work the next day with issue's we walked out over resolved. It's a different world when your employer values you and the work you do, union member or not.
Oh and Bigdog01 you can refer to me as Littledog i suppose
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Not just engineering
The bus drivers are being picked on too. The older more experienced drivers are being put through unrealistic scenarios under the training guise.All drivers doing this but the XBOX generation like this ****, the older guys wouldn't get into this situation to start with.
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Short field take off - full load - 6 to 7 metre visibility.
Question - when would this happen.
Will the on time departure rule ever ever put a pilot into this scenario - if it did how badly would this break company safety policy - let alone regulatory policies.
Having been around aircraft from in my teens, I realise throwing curly ones at pilots in a sim can achieve more than real flying BUT to fail them on these absurd scenario's is a bit harsh. Hence I believe 5 senior guys have had enough - don't need this **** !!!!!
What would be next - wing fell off - failed because you couldn't land and caused insurance claim - bad press.
Hey old-mate is it too late to change jobs ?
For example :
Short field take off - full load - 6 to 7 metre visibility.
Question - when would this happen.
Will the on time departure rule ever ever put a pilot into this scenario - if it did how badly would this break company safety policy - let alone regulatory policies.
Having been around aircraft from in my teens, I realise throwing curly ones at pilots in a sim can achieve more than real flying BUT to fail them on these absurd scenario's is a bit harsh. Hence I believe 5 senior guys have had enough - don't need this **** !!!!!
What would be next - wing fell off - failed because you couldn't land and caused insurance claim - bad press.
Hey old-mate is it too late to change jobs ?
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Great Load Bull Sh#t
If only the idiodic managers within the Red tail brigade would just realise that it is and always has been the first thing on the Lame's mind to keep the aircraft safe. When the Lame's start just doing as they are told, we are on a seriously steep descent into catastrophe.
The managers are just looking after there own interests. The Lame is looking after the interests of the flying public. When the big head Q realises that, they will stop fighting them and reap the benifits of a proactive workforce.
And now I read $140+ Million Qantas agrees to pay in Law suits involved in inethical activeties over the past 4 years. What a pack of idiots. They will then spend millions of dollars to not let 30 blokes in Brisbane have a $500/year pay rise. They (managers) have made some descissions with the excuse of 'protecting the busines'. They removed the Lame's/ame's from there productive shift to an unproductive one. They shifted the checks to be done at a third party facility (costs a packet/poor quality). So who is protecting the business from these fools??
The managers are just looking after there own interests. The Lame is looking after the interests of the flying public. When the big head Q realises that, they will stop fighting them and reap the benifits of a proactive workforce.
And now I read $140+ Million Qantas agrees to pay in Law suits involved in inethical activeties over the past 4 years. What a pack of idiots. They will then spend millions of dollars to not let 30 blokes in Brisbane have a $500/year pay rise. They (managers) have made some descissions with the excuse of 'protecting the busines'. They removed the Lame's/ame's from there productive shift to an unproductive one. They shifted the checks to be done at a third party facility (costs a packet/poor quality). So who is protecting the business from these fools??
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I don’t believe that Qantas deserve to have a slogan ‘’the spirit of Australia ‘’ the last time I cheeked it didn’t stand for ripping of thousands of people and disciplining engineers and pilots for doing what’s right. They are quite happy to be Sneaky bugger and go out of their way to be deceitful. Numerous times this so called spirit of Australia has been caught out 
I have absolutely no faith in any manager of this company they should watch how they treat there employees! If skywest and the virgin venture get Q400 wont that be interesting an instant work force ready to go !!!
I have absolutely no faith in any manager of this company they should watch how they treat there employees! If skywest and the virgin venture get Q400 wont that be interesting an instant work force ready to go !!!