Rumour: Sunstate Engineers suspended over aircraft sabotage?
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As has been mentioned in the other JHAS thread the guys gave us a lot of slack to try and make it.
And what did the guys get for cutting you the slack????
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1967 a year to remember
I wish to god I had never mentioned 1967
Arnold, I disagree mate. 1967 was an interesting year not to be forgotten -
The Vietnam War was raging
The Doors self-titled debut album is released
The Boston Strangler is convicted of numerous crimes and sentenced to life in prison
A Fistful of Dollars, the first significant “Spaghetti Western" film, is released in the United States
Apollo 1U.S. astronauts Gus Grissom, Edward Higgins White, and Roger Chaffee are killed when fire breaks out in their Apollo spacecraft during a launch pad test
The first Boeing 737 100 series takes its maiden flight. (I believe this aircraft may still be flying in Russia, Africa or Mexico!)
Boxer Muhammad Ali refuses military service
Elvis and Priscilla are married in Las Vegas
Free love was all the go and the 'moral compass' was yet to be invented so nudity, group sex and regularly smoking the green stuff was the norm !!
The Beatles release S’GT Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band’
Pink Floyd releases their debut album ‘The Piper at the Gates of Dawn’
Jim Morrison and The Doors defy CBS censors on The Ed Sullivan Show, when Morrison sings the word "higher" from their #1 hit Light My Fire, despite having been asked not to
Supersonic airliner Concord is unveiled in Toulouse France
Harold Holt, Australian Prime Minister, disappears when swimming at a beach 60 km from Melbourne
'Airlines were airlines' and not run by suckholes and accountants
Australain aviation regulatory reform was likely first discussed !!!!!
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I wish to god I had never mentioned 1967, that was the first time, when I was an apprentice, but please dont believe that I walked out the door for frivolous reasons.
I was an Apprentice too, from 1963 until 1967, and yes the then LAMEs went on strike in 1967 and we Apprentices wanted to support them, however we were advised that as Apprentices were could NOT strike, it was illegal for Apprentices to strike.
How did you do it???
we were advised that as Apprentices were could NOT strike, it was illegal for Apprentices to strike. 
Just as an aside. I was a second year at the time and it is interesting to note that not one of the fifth years joined us outside.
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Well as I said we wanted to support the LAMEs. but were prevented from doing so.
I am also sure that NONE of our Apprentices went out because of these threats.
Maybe you were with Qantas or someone else in NSW?
In Victoria (with Ansett) they were very strict about it, the Apprentice Authority and Ansett.
Also the then LAMEs told us we should NOT to get involved, and they promised to look after us as well, but they didn't of course.
I am also sure that NONE of our Apprentices went out because of these threats.
Maybe you were with Qantas or someone else in NSW?
In Victoria (with Ansett) they were very strict about it, the Apprentice Authority and Ansett.
Also the then LAMEs told us we should NOT to get involved, and they promised to look after us as well, but they didn't of course.
Well ok I hear you, everybody here is telling me what you cant do,
So tell me what you can do.
And..... What is happening about the wages unlawfully removed from people's pay packet?
So tell me what you can do.
And..... What is happening about the wages unlawfully removed from people's pay packet?
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notwithstanding the flow of the apprentice debate, the fact that this shameful episode still remains unresolved is in itself a perversion of the principles of equitable justice.
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Well ok I hear you, everybody here is telling me what you cant do,
So tell me what you can do.
So tell me what you can do.
Well, you have done really well then, haven't you.
NOTE: That for all the times I have walked out the door, I have never lost 60 day's pay TOTAL.
Well ok,fair point about the done well comment, but I am NOT attacking yours or any other union, I am actually a union supporter.
You are correct I did miss the important point of the guys still getting paid, that being the case, then well done, and infact that changes things considerably.
You are correct I did miss the important point of the guys still getting paid, that being the case, then well done, and infact that changes things considerably.
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Thnx for being reasonable in response. Just in brief -
6 are stood down on pay for snagging cockpit doors.
20 (which includes the six) were docked 4-28 hours pay for working on aircraft and not getting them out in the estimated time.
What can we do? Currently have on overtime bans and stopping for 4 hours on the 25th. Watching managers cut every corner in the book and reporting every breach to CASA. Supporting our mates to make sure they can still feed their families whilst being docked. We have initiated action under the General Protections Laws under the Fair Work Act for the 6. Some other things behind the scenes that are best left unsaid.
cheers
6 are stood down on pay for snagging cockpit doors.
20 (which includes the six) were docked 4-28 hours pay for working on aircraft and not getting them out in the estimated time.
What can we do? Currently have on overtime bans and stopping for 4 hours on the 25th. Watching managers cut every corner in the book and reporting every breach to CASA. Supporting our mates to make sure they can still feed their families whilst being docked. We have initiated action under the General Protections Laws under the Fair Work Act for the 6. Some other things behind the scenes that are best left unsaid.
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the 6 that are stood down are not losing pay
I didn't realise that either.
I thought they were not being paid at all.
So the only pay being lost is the ones that ARE working, but (in Sunstate/Qantas's opinion) are taking too long to start work and complete tasks etc?
The situation, though NOT as bad as I thought, needs to be resolved soon.
PLEASE continue to provide any news about this disgusting business.
Apologies to those that don't like to hear about Apprentices.
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Long time reader first time writer from what I gather is going on with this predicament With Qantas / link is that Qantas is testing how far they can push little brother and get away with dirty tactic and to see how the union will deal with each curve ball they through and test the legal system aka fair work Australia, if Q can get away with prothetic alligations and can stand engineers down and dock wagers from engineers for simply doing there jobs with very little evident and that CASA simple do not wish to get involved and use the excuse that they are currently in negations it sounds very much like a bad day for the safety of aviation in Australia. I believe if this goes south it will certainly filter through to the rest of the aviation world in oz and if this is the case I would not like to work in the current environment and would be better of digging holes
I don’t know how managers can brake CASA regs and not be made examples off these people are meant to be in charge and be leading by example how can there be two different rules within the same company? One for engineers and pilots who do there best and rase safety issues be disciplined and managers that go out of there way to brake not only company policy but the aviations regulators laws and get away with it, something smells very bad in Q town,
Please correct me if I am wrong
I don’t know how managers can brake CASA regs and not be made examples off these people are meant to be in charge and be leading by example how can there be two different rules within the same company? One for engineers and pilots who do there best and rase safety issues be disciplined and managers that go out of there way to brake not only company policy but the aviations regulators laws and get away with it, something smells very bad in Q town,
Please correct me if I am wrong
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the big Q
It would seem that in AJ's eyes the only people who he can't control are the engineer's.
Probably because way back you employed people who could think for themselves and make decisions, without running to management going " look what I did"
Both groups of Qlink flight attendants (sunstate & eastern) have knocked back their EA's - but no buggery happened there.
Eastern pilot's new EA I believe got knocked back too - true or false.
engineer's in Tamworth knocked back their EA - no buggery there yet either.
Are they really that scared of the engineer's or is that we generally have a brain and use it on a regular basis to make decisions without having to form a committee and waiting 3 months to get a result, if ever !
Without the shift penalties the QLink wages for a fully licensed engineer is crap $61k
QL managers (word used loosely) seem to feel that holding a license for 5 mins is as good as having held one for 5 years or longer.
Too all who support - Thank you.
May the new year be better than the last.
Probably because way back you employed people who could think for themselves and make decisions, without running to management going " look what I did"
Both groups of Qlink flight attendants (sunstate & eastern) have knocked back their EA's - but no buggery happened there.
Eastern pilot's new EA I believe got knocked back too - true or false.
engineer's in Tamworth knocked back their EA - no buggery there yet either.
Are they really that scared of the engineer's or is that we generally have a brain and use it on a regular basis to make decisions without having to form a committee and waiting 3 months to get a result, if ever !
Without the shift penalties the QLink wages for a fully licensed engineer is crap $61k
QL managers (word used loosely) seem to feel that holding a license for 5 mins is as good as having held one for 5 years or longer.Too all who support - Thank you.
May the new year be better than the last.
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Without the shift penalties the QLink wages for a fully licensed engineer is crap $61k 
Hey Bigdog01, $61k is as you say, crap money (more money as an AME contracting by far). You guys used to have around 4 aircraft in the shed every night. Pull them appart then have them back on line the next day for the first departures. From here it is quite obvious the company is missing the main point. They were extremely lucky to have you guys doing this for them. If fact how did they get you guys to agree to it in the first place? I have known a few blokes who work there over the years and they reckon that all the work was done fairly early and you could get away at a reasable time. But that was back in the Shorts days. The Sydney guys work a rotating shift to give them a break from the nights, how come you guys did not do the same?
What is the local management doing? Their pride and joy in Brisbane is being ripped appart at the seams. Surely they are accountable for this!! It is a disaster for QLink, then paying third party companies huge sums to do what you guys did night after night.
No wonder guys are leaving. Are they ever going to attract people back? Maybe if the big Q realizes that the lower and middle managers have completely let down the Company, workers and paying passengers. Big chang is required. Word is spreading about the rubbish going down at QLink. I reckon the Mud will stick.
Hey Bigdog01, $61k is as you say, crap money (more money as an AME contracting by far). You guys used to have around 4 aircraft in the shed every night. Pull them appart then have them back on line the next day for the first departures. From here it is quite obvious the company is missing the main point. They were extremely lucky to have you guys doing this for them. If fact how did they get you guys to agree to it in the first place? I have known a few blokes who work there over the years and they reckon that all the work was done fairly early and you could get away at a reasable time. But that was back in the Shorts days. The Sydney guys work a rotating shift to give them a break from the nights, how come you guys did not do the same?
What is the local management doing? Their pride and joy in Brisbane is being ripped appart at the seams. Surely they are accountable for this!! It is a disaster for QLink, then paying third party companies huge sums to do what you guys did night after night.
No wonder guys are leaving. Are they ever going to attract people back? Maybe if the big Q realizes that the lower and middle managers have completely let down the Company, workers and paying passengers. Big chang is required. Word is spreading about the rubbish going down at QLink. I reckon the Mud will stick.
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Maybe if the big Q realizes that the lower and middle managers have completely let down the Company.....
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none of these fine maintenance facilities deserve to be decimated
by a bunch of assclowns. they must be weeded out before any real
progress will be made.
the Sunstate situation is a glaring example of where the boss should
get turfed, imho.
to watch these pricks that blow in and out the door while destroying
the workplace is sickening. engine lines, heavy maint, every customer
that paid the bills. gone, gone, gone. makes you want to
.
by a bunch of assclowns. they must be weeded out before any real
progress will be made.
the Sunstate situation is a glaring example of where the boss should
get turfed, imho.
to watch these pricks that blow in and out the door while destroying
the workplace is sickening. engine lines, heavy maint, every customer
that paid the bills. gone, gone, gone. makes you want to
.