Rumour: Sunstate Engineers suspended over aircraft sabotage?
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Most positive is the level of the fighting fund. Up around 20k.
We had our 4 yearly conference this week and John Mc from CASA came along for a cuppla days. He is well briefed now of the situation and appeared to agree that there is something wrong going on up there.
We had our 4 yearly conference this week and John Mc from CASA came along for a cuppla days. He is well briefed now of the situation and appeared to agree that there is something wrong going on up there.
I wish them all the best and I hope they find some sense of stability with an employer that appreciates them. QANTASLINK Management in my opinion does not deserve the decent people they currently employ. Best wishes for the festive season to all QANTASLINK employees going through this trying time. Humbugs to the Management.
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...QANTASLINK Management in my opinion does not deserve the decent people they currently employ.
This is what they want. The 4 hours docking and stand down of the engineers will not stand up in court and they know it. They know that in the end, the engineers will be found innocent of conducting illegal industrial action and Qantaslink will have to re-imburse them for lost wages.
The whole basis for what they are doing, is to wear down the LAMEs in question (ie, the buggery campaign), to the point where they give up.
I think I finally may see some reason in what Arnold E says.
If it means a few engineers who will not bend over leave, all the better. I'd bet they have their fingers crossed that as many as possible walk, leaving the section in a situation where it no longer viable to operate.
They can then go on to the media whining about how LAME's are lazy, don't want to work and how they need to outsorce or bring in contractors to carry out the work.
Qantaslink 1, Employees 0.
Until it gets to the point where what the pay they're offering (ie quite low by comparison to other airlines and bigger brother) just won't get the manpower required to do the work. In which case the Qantas brand loses.
Is it a product of the graduates of our universities today that cause management to see employees as a necessary evil who are overpaid, underworked and at every turn are trying to get one up ?
Or do those personality types just attract like minded management types that see employees as scum ?
I mean seriously, is engagement ever really possible while the apparent mindset which is so pervasive in this organisation is the one to treat the people who make the airline work with complete disdain at every turn, instantly dismissive at every EBA negotiation.
New faces and all inhabit the upper ranks but the man who advised the company on spending $100+million to 'break' the LAME's and their wage claim of $5million or so is still 'advising' Qantas to say no to everything once again.
I would be happy for an inflation adjusted/industry comparison wage. No I'm not a level 14, try less then half that. But I'm too expensive. I wonder how Virgin and Jetstar can afford it.
Bring on the PIA.
Is it a product of the graduates of our universities today that cause management to see employees as a necessary evil who are overpaid, underworked and at every turn are trying to get one up ?
Or do those personality types just attract like minded management types that see employees as scum ?
I mean seriously, is engagement ever really possible while the apparent mindset which is so pervasive in this organisation is the one to treat the people who make the airline work with complete disdain at every turn, instantly dismissive at every EBA negotiation.
New faces and all inhabit the upper ranks but the man who advised the company on spending $100+million to 'break' the LAME's and their wage claim of $5million or so is still 'advising' Qantas to say no to everything once again.
I would be happy for an inflation adjusted/industry comparison wage. No I'm not a level 14, try less then half that. But I'm too expensive. I wonder how Virgin and Jetstar can afford it.
Bring on the PIA.
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Speaking to my friends from ALAEA an announcement from Sunstate is pending some time this week.
As a long time member of the ALAEA and supporter of the current Exec it should be made clear up front here.
If any, and I mean any action is taken against our Sunstate friends because they are -
1. reporting defects as every Lame should; or
2. have in place legal overtime limitations to prevent the introduction of a selective training bond; or
3. management want to close them down or restructure to get rid of the problem.
The Qantas LAMEs will support them and $145M will not get you far. Steve tells me the you tube video is ready to go.
As a long time member of the ALAEA and supporter of the current Exec it should be made clear up front here.
If any, and I mean any action is taken against our Sunstate friends because they are -
1. reporting defects as every Lame should; or
2. have in place legal overtime limitations to prevent the introduction of a selective training bond; or
3. management want to close them down or restructure to get rid of the problem.
The Qantas LAMEs will support them and $145M will not get you far. Steve tells me the you tube video is ready to go.
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Hey all,
Still the 6 are stood down at home unsure on what management have in store for them. Its been about 2 months now which is just a farce considering their own policy says that investigations are to be conducted in a timely manner.
cheers
Steve
Still the 6 are stood down at home unsure on what management have in store for them. Its been about 2 months now which is just a farce considering their own policy says that investigations are to be conducted in a timely manner.
cheers
Steve
So, next time I am in the F/D checking the oxy pressure (as per the transit chk) and I smell an electrical arcing smell and see the window heat light flickering, I would be going out on a limb by investigation the possibility of a loose power terminal connection on the windscreen with a possible cross threaded terminal screw etc.
And that was about 20 years ago.
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I was once admonished for bringing to the company's attention that an engine fire extinguisher bottle was out of date. Told that it was not part of my pre-flight inspection. And that was about 20 years ago.
I remember way back in the late 1970s or early 1980s I was doing a first flight of the day preflight inspection on a DC9.
While checking the main oxygen bottle pressure (as in the check) I noticed that the bottle itself was way out of date (not on the check).
Was I admonished, NO, in fact the Company (Ansett) were grateful as they then did a spot check on ALL our DC9s and found several others also out of date.
That is how it is supposed to work, certainly used to, and I am truly disgusted at what (apparently) goes on now.
Hey all,
Still the 6 are stood down at home unsure on what management have in store for them. Its been about 2 months now which is just a farce considering their own policy says that investigations are to be conducted in a timely manner.
cheers
Steve
Still the 6 are stood down at home unsure on what management have in store for them. Its been about 2 months now which is just a farce considering their own policy says that investigations are to be conducted in a timely manner.
cheers
Steve
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Originally Posted by Arnold E
Well, you have done really well then, haven't you.
When we set up the original systems at JHAS we didn't deal with SP, we dealt with PC and, interestingly enough, Sharon Burrow herself as head of the ACTU (I even tipped Gillard snotting KRudd way back then - come to think of it she owes me a nice bottle of red for that one, a Penfold 707 given that was the currency of putting money where mouth is between me and AH - but that's another story). Whilst we didn't agree on certain things it must be said we respected both the ACTU and ALAEA approach to helping put a system in place that gave JHAS a fighting chance to make it.
As has been mentioned in the other JHAS thread the guys gave us a lot of slack to try and make it. Hopefully people on both sides of the fence realise that is the way that things need to happen to keep aircraft maintenance in Aus and also what is good for the future of Aus airlines. Short termism makes one side or the other look good in the short term but has the potential to be disastrous for both longer term.
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look arnold I accept that you are genuine but you have admitted in a previous post that you are not an ALAEA member and you don't work for sunstate.
So how can you possibly judge whether ALAEA are doing a good job or not?
This is 2010 not 1967. There have been significant law changes since then and almost all, if not all, have been to the detriment of unions and their powers.
Therefore it is a much different game now where put simply brute force no longer works. Today one needs to outwit and outsmart. Play it tactically.
That takes patience and at times very much a silent operation. If you wish to become more informed then join ALAEA and interact with your union.
So how can you possibly judge whether ALAEA are doing a good job or not?
This is 2010 not 1967. There have been significant law changes since then and almost all, if not all, have been to the detriment of unions and their powers.
Therefore it is a much different game now where put simply brute force no longer works. Today one needs to outwit and outsmart. Play it tactically.
That takes patience and at times very much a silent operation. If you wish to become more informed then join ALAEA and interact with your union.
I wish to god I had never mentioned 1967, that was the first time, when I was an apprentice, but please dont believe that I walked out the door for frivolous reasons. I have even supported an employer when I believe he is in the right. (and that is very recently) But I do believe that unless you are prepared to stand up and be counted, you will lose. NOTE: That for all the times I have walked out the door, I have never lost 60 day's pay TOTAL. FACT. IF you are right you cant lose.
Last edited by Arnold E; 23rd Dec 2010 at 10:01.