Rumour: Sunstate Engineers suspended over aircraft sabotage?
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What happened ?
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basic rundown.
EBA starts - log of claims ( old expired 30/6/2009)
5% increase per year for the 3 year EA and 6 weeks holidays for the permanent night shift.
Company offer back
3% per year plus 1.3% extra for 1 st year only.
Bond for any type course eg. Dash Q400 $12,000 , any new type ? to be determined by them.
and no to extra rec leave
We said NO 97% against
start of limited idustrial action
no O/T and no fly aways for breakdowns
Company started fines for each refusal 4 hours pay for each so called infringement.
Withdrew under the agreement for extended hours night shift roster, left extended hours for dayshift crews 4 on 4 off.
company started 7.6 hour shift roster more fines for alleged infringements
3 rd party maintenance set up, rushed thru Qlink hangar Canberra ( ex QDS).
still no real discussions over EBA
withdrew from all extended hours rosters all on 7.6 hour shifts.
Discovered , reported and ignored about cockpit door security locks.
reported doors to CASA - nothing but met requirements and we do not get involved in industrial action.
wrote up defective door locks
suspension of 6 LAME's more fines
tried negotiating new roster and accepted pay rise offered still waiting for bond wording.
back pay offer removed while shift negotiations still going
shift sorted - back pay back on the table - company NO you only get a percentage.
Shift removed
no further real negotiations
11 guys resign or retire.
redudancy packages offered 21/6
redundancy's accepted 8/7
10 LAME's left 20/7 all others gone 19/7/2011
pay rise and back pay still to be worked out for those remaining
so basically cut 32 LAMES to 10, unable to carry out maintenance in Brisbane turnaround port only ( currently between 80 to 90 per day)
more aircraft coming.
Basically one big **** fight no real winners but QLink screwed up very efficient maintenance base for approx $1000 per person per year
basic rundown.
EBA starts - log of claims ( old expired 30/6/2009)
5% increase per year for the 3 year EA and 6 weeks holidays for the permanent night shift.
Company offer back
3% per year plus 1.3% extra for 1 st year only.
Bond for any type course eg. Dash Q400 $12,000 , any new type ? to be determined by them.
and no to extra rec leave
We said NO 97% against
start of limited idustrial action
no O/T and no fly aways for breakdowns
Company started fines for each refusal 4 hours pay for each so called infringement.
Withdrew under the agreement for extended hours night shift roster, left extended hours for dayshift crews 4 on 4 off.
company started 7.6 hour shift roster more fines for alleged infringements
3 rd party maintenance set up, rushed thru Qlink hangar Canberra ( ex QDS).
still no real discussions over EBA
withdrew from all extended hours rosters all on 7.6 hour shifts.
Discovered , reported and ignored about cockpit door security locks.
reported doors to CASA - nothing but met requirements and we do not get involved in industrial action.
wrote up defective door locks
suspension of 6 LAME's more fines
tried negotiating new roster and accepted pay rise offered still waiting for bond wording.
back pay offer removed while shift negotiations still going
shift sorted - back pay back on the table - company NO you only get a percentage.
Shift removed
no further real negotiations
11 guys resign or retire.
redudancy packages offered 21/6
redundancy's accepted 8/7
10 LAME's left 20/7 all others gone 19/7/2011
pay rise and back pay still to be worked out for those remaining
so basically cut 32 LAMES to 10, unable to carry out maintenance in Brisbane turnaround port only ( currently between 80 to 90 per day)
more aircraft coming.
Basically one big **** fight no real winners but QLink screwed up very efficient maintenance base for approx $1000 per person per year
Last edited by Bigdog01; 12th Jul 2011 at 14:23.
Thanks for that review Bigdog it gives me a bit more of an idea what went on. Can you tell me if the 6 guys that were suspended are amongst the 10 left, or have they gone. It is a very sad state of affairs where our industry is headed, is it not
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Will soon find out what is happening outside the Qantas world.
Maybe a little different but the heir achy at Q seem determined to load everything and everyone into the bowl. At some point the chain will be pulled and the problems will be gone.
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Thanks for all your time but I think you got ambushed on this one.
Maybe a little different but the heir achy at Q seem determined to load everything and everyone into the bowl. At some point the chain will be pulled and the problems will be gone.
Fed Sec
Thanks for all your time but I think you got ambushed on this one.
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It's far easier for Qantas to pick on the little guy. That's the kind of people running the place. Don't think that all has been in vein, this race has a fair way to run yet.
The managers told us they would shut the place down if the dispute went for too long. I hope they have their houses in their wives names. The words were illegal and we have already landed the first adverse action strike against the Qantas group.
Fines and damages are payable to employees and former employees.
The managers told us they would shut the place down if the dispute went for too long. I hope they have their houses in their wives names. The words were illegal and we have already landed the first adverse action strike against the Qantas group.
Fines and damages are payable to employees and former employees.
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I know a lot of people read this and it would appear that the company has a very clear agenda. Reduce its own staff whilst expanding. Utilize 3rd party maintenance and other operators to enable the expansion.
I have seen the increase in Aliance's fokker operations grow on Qlink routes and yet capacity up the coast reduce due to removing Q400 and replacing with 300 series (50seat) why ?
Maybe this is to allow maintenance in 3 rd party in Townsville from what I hear.
Didn't sunnies have a base in Townsville and they shut it, yet here they are sending aircraft there for maintenance.
Exactly how many people are left in Brisbane, I see from the post there are only 10 LAME's.
I have seen the increase in Aliance's fokker operations grow on Qlink routes and yet capacity up the coast reduce due to removing Q400 and replacing with 300 series (50seat) why ?
Maybe this is to allow maintenance in 3 rd party in Townsville from what I hear.
Didn't sunnies have a base in Townsville and they shut it, yet here they are sending aircraft there for maintenance.
Exactly how many people are left in Brisbane, I see from the post there are only 10 LAME's.
Correct, 2 days per week -300's operate in the afternoon. Also just about all the weekend services are 300's.
The Fokker's are apparently full on just about all the services they operate to ROK/MKY.
It won't be long until the F100's do ALL of the ROK/MKY flights.
Q400's will just be used to up capacity to all the other ports. ie: Roma, Longreach, etc.
And apparently none of the remaining staff in BNE will be authorized to Taxi the Q400.
Should be fun!
The Fokker's are apparently full on just about all the services they operate to ROK/MKY.
It won't be long until the F100's do ALL of the ROK/MKY flights.
Q400's will just be used to up capacity to all the other ports. ie: Roma, Longreach, etc.
And apparently none of the remaining staff in BNE will be authorized to Taxi the Q400.
Should be fun!
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Today is the last day for the Sunnie's engineers that have been made "redundant".
I wish them all the very best where ever they may go. I was always confident with the a/c maintenance and impressed with the dedication, commitment to get the job done and most importantly, the great quality of work done. I know if you guys go onto other jobs that those companies will be getting the very best of engineers in this country.
QantasLink, however, is a much "poorer" airline going into its future.
I wish them all the very best where ever they may go. I was always confident with the a/c maintenance and impressed with the dedication, commitment to get the job done and most importantly, the great quality of work done. I know if you guys go onto other jobs that those companies will be getting the very best of engineers in this country.
QantasLink, however, is a much "poorer" airline going into its future.
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What is happening now that the redundancies have been done and dusted ?
Have they sorted the EA for those that stayed ?
Is it true that they still have the contractors when it was deemed that the extra licenses weren't required. Are the contractors there full time or only as required.
Have they sorted the EA for those that stayed ?
Is it true that they still have the contractors when it was deemed that the extra licenses weren't required. Are the contractors there full time or only as required.
What did the ALAEA win here ? anything ?
Care to comment Steve? What has been accomplished? I dont know, but am willing to listen either here or pm.
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I don't think anyone wins in these situations.
The company would have spent a **** load of money on a principle, and the guys and their union would have been similarly burnt by this whole episode.
For a broad range of reasons, and poor advice from both sides, a group of good engineers will now be out of employment.
How can anyone be called a winner in any of this?
MP
The company would have spent a **** load of money on a principle, and the guys and their union would have been similarly burnt by this whole episode.
For a broad range of reasons, and poor advice from both sides, a group of good engineers will now be out of employment.
How can anyone be called a winner in any of this?
MP
I don't think anyone wins in these situations.
The company would have spent a **** load of money on a principle, and the guys and their union would have been similarly burnt by this whole episode.
For a broad range of reasons, and poor advice from both sides, a group of good engineers will now be out of employment.
How can anyone be called a winner in any of this?
MP
The company would have spent a **** load of money on a principle, and the guys and their union would have been similarly burnt by this whole episode.
For a broad range of reasons, and poor advice from both sides, a group of good engineers will now be out of employment.
How can anyone be called a winner in any of this?
MP
The engineers were obviously considered not good otherwise they wouldn't of been treated like they were scum.
Some quit after being fed up with being treated like a piece of dirt, others held out for redundancy.
There is lies the point where you mention the company spent a ****load of money on priciple. They spent more, a lot more money on principle then it would've cost them just to pay a reasonable pay rise in line with inflation. Qantas LAME EBA 8 was exactly the same, over $100million was spent to save $5million in pay rises.
Just because they tell you, mr manager, that its imperative that the ALAEA or AIPA be broken at all costs for the good of the group, it doesn't mean they are telling you the truth.
Milgram experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Have a read. You are, what is in this experiement, a 'teacher'.
I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not.
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What did the ALAEA win here ? anything ?
There are court cases happening that could see the company fined millions of dollars for illegal activity and as all this is going on, Qantas have lost bucket loads in contingiency plans.
They could have settled this for less than $50,000. How much more will they waste? Who knows, the blokes could get everything they want if Joyce and Oldmeadow get booted.
There is lies the point where you mention the company spent a ****load of money on priciple. They spent more, a lot more money on principle then it would've cost them just to pay a reasonable pay rise in line with inflation. Qantas LAME EBA 8 was exactly the same, over $100million was spent to save $5million in pay rises.
A bunch of guys have left who wanted to go.