Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin

[Clipped]

Nassenstein: In the long term, I would say it will probably mean a smaller but more specialized and higher-trained group of engineers. That will be a difficult process

Months of meetings, negotiations and just being strung along for them to come up with 3%pa.

For those who just see the money value to this EA, just heed those words above. If you think the PIA process might be difficult just imagine in a year or two when your unemployed and having to look for a new job. I'm not being alarmist, but this is the clear ,direction of our current strategy, Q Future - eliminate the legacy costs - that is US.

I for one will demand the inclusion of a job security clause that protects my welfare and the integrity of aviation maintenance at this airline.

[Quill Shaft]

Didn't receive an SMS from SP.

How do I get on the list?

Tried the ALAEA website but could not see it anywhere??

[sky rocket]

Show us that there is a future for QF Engineering CN. Put those words into an EA and we will be happy. NO FUTURE = NO CN. We will show you the revolving management door.

[poison pen]

Relax people. Lets wait and see what SP has to say. At last Chris has been present to an EA meeting. One of the problems Chris has is the people below him still hang onto the last PIA and they want revenge.
Chris needs to start by using the big broom in QF Management.

PP

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

If CN got rid of all Ops managers, maybe 3% would look good.

[the_company_spy]

If CN got rid of all the "ops managers" he would not only see some decisions actually get made, a 6% rise could be funded.

[comrade10]

lets jugggle"

bring on the circus, all the qantas management clowns have been taught to juggle again, loving the engagement by the way, cant wait to get to work every day to another ridiculous management idea! BNE heavy, doomed to fail! wake up chris, shes hemoraging at the seems....your loosing sheeties by the bucket load and you cant replace them with contractors, cause guess what? there going to MRTT and the like for twice the rate. About time you guys wake up and smell the coffee, if you dont start rewarding and treating the skilled trade AME,s with respect at BNE Heavy then you wont have anyone left, there was a day when I can remember a job as a sheetie at qantas was a job for life! not anymore jokers....l

[Gas Bags]

Where’s the Qantas offer?
Many of you have told me that you’re waiting for us to put an offer on the table and I can tell you that this is imminent. It might seem like it’s been a long time coming, but let’s look at the negotiations so far. In October 2010, the ALAEA presented an extensive and complex verbal claim of 28 individual items. We respected that and in good faith have been working to evaluate and cost every single item. Now, these weren’t simple items either, some of them were extremely complex and on top there’s a wage claim proposing a new pay structure.

To say that we’ve been sitting still is simply untrue. In order to bargain in good faith, we have to evaluate every claim in detail before we can respond to it. We need to run it by legal and finance for approval and of course get ExCo’s sign off. That all takes time and with such an extensive and complex claim you can see why it’s been a few months.

I’m not just saying this for effect, the ALAEA’s claim really is extreme. We simply can’t afford to give everything they’ve asked for. However, we’ve made some progress as you’ll see in the attached document. Keep in mind too that the unions have rejected the majority of our claims without discussion.

Our finance people are meeting with the Union on Tuesday to discuss our costings of their proposed pay structure.

We’re at a crossroads here guys, and I’m asking you to choose your path very carefully. I don’t want to go through a dispute and a number of you have told me you don’t either. The choice you make now is critical to our future success and to our survival. Please consider your options carefully. I promise you that we will do the same.

How many of the extensive, complex, 28 verbalised claims that has taken 6 months to evaluate in order for them to negotiate in good faith have been referred to in the offer put forward?

You have Chris's promise, in writing, that the company has carefully considered their options before putting this offer on the table.

GB

[MEA332]

When will CN and the rest of the cronies get off their high horse and start showing us some respect by putting something on the table that is more then just 3+ 3+ 3+. that should be the minimum before we even start. CN instead of insulting the union and its members, atleaset offer an item on the list, then we may start taking you guys more serious.

[buttmonkey1]

simple as saying Qfuture has been a total waste of time and their plans
for 'lame on demand', aka 'lame-less tarmac', is a folly. consign it to the
industrial scrapheap along with it's proponents, and lets 'move forward'.

that in a nutshell is all chris needs to add to his latest offer. his big win
will be the regaining the goodwill he had generated amoungst the troops.
every one can save face before the pia comes to be. well perhaps not the
arseclowns peddling the lames future demise.

[unionist1974]

Heard a whisper , from a retired manager who has connections ,that QF management are gearing up for a confrontation with the LAME's and ground staff . With the share price so low a good dispute will get them off the hook with the big investors and analysts . They are between a rock and a hard place , roll over and trash the share price or have a fight possible stuff OF but save JQ and get brownie points with the big investors . Well , don't fall for it is my advice to you all .

[Silverado]

unionist1974,

It's pretty obvious your not privy to the goings on between Qantas and the unions. Stop wasting your time.

ASU National Net - Update on Qantas EBA 9 Talks

Update on Qantas EBA 9 Talks 21 March 2011

By the ASU, the airlines industry union

On 18th March 2011 the ASU NNT team met with Qantas and had productive talks regarding EBA 9.
The ASU NNT delegates believe we have a settlement we can recommend to our National Delegates meeting which will be held on 31 March 2011.
At that meeting a recommendation will be made by our delegates to our members about the EBA until that time we have no further comment.
If you want more information talk to your local organiser or delegate or National Negotiating Team member.

[Clipped]

With the share price so low a good dispute will get them off the hook with the big investors and analysts

A public company, so poorly run by our Exco and so poorly overseen by the Board - how do these fools keep their jobs? It sure must be a tightly held matey club up there.

If only they could devote their energy to real strategic growth and not industrial persecution of their staff, we might find the time to respect their office and titles.

This company is now a sham in the business world and has a share price to prove it. AJ and Cliffy, get off your a##s and take this company forward with your loyal staff, so that the business and general community can rebuild the faith they once held for this icon.

[Silverado]

Chris reinforced our desire to reach agreement so we can remain focused on achieving our vision of becoming the industry benchmark for safety, quality and efficiency.

I thought thought we were on a downward spiral, to the level of "worlds best practice"

Didn't CN say "We don't have the monopoly on quality"

Hollow words, me thinks.

[Oh Me Oh My]

Unionist 1974 Heard a whisper, you're a company muppet !

To CN honestly WTF ! An offer is imminent and all it is is 3% and clear quotas that's crap you may as well stayed at home.

Maintain the rage, where's my ballot ?

[Bootstrap1]

If this goes to PIA at what stage will the union and members accept an agreement? Just before or just after the point of no return. When will the ALAEA have some face to face meetings with the members and give some proper feedback.

SMSs and emails are good but being able to ask questions and listen to other peoples concerns in a meeting wouldn't go astray.

It seems this campaign is being run by a few people who think they know what everyone wants. I don't know if everyone wants to go down the path of 2008 and put their jobs in jeopardy again.

[LAME2]

I don't know if everyone wants to go down the path of 2008 and put their jobs in jeopardy again

Then if these people are members, they will have their vote counted like everyone else. If they vote no, and the majority votes no with them, so be it. As in the past, I would expect the Association to take that on board and move forward with that decision being the basis for further talks. If these people vote no and the majority votes yes, then I would expect these people who voted no to accept the result graciously and professionally. They should not try to undermine the process just because they voted against the action. Sometimes we don't get what we want, when we want it, in a democracy.

It seems this campaign is being run by a few people who think they know what everyone wants

Perhaps you need to talk to the Association to let them know what you specifically want. You have been asked previously for ideas. They are only a phone call away.

[Bootstrap1]

Fair enough LAME2. Point taken.

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

It seems this campaign is being run by a few people who think they know what everyone wants.

That's what a union is all about. The few put out a notice asking for member input. They tell us what they want and we form a claim from that input. The campaign is based on legal advice and experience in such matters and you are correct, it gets run by a few.

The other option is a campaign run by 1600 individuals seeking 1600 different outcomes. You would then hear comments like this - Well he is working overtime so why shouldn't I?

When will the ALAEA have some face to face meetings with the members and give some proper feedback?

If you can read, you will understand the feedback. My email address was on the last notice and 1600 members received a SMS message from my phone. Call me if you are a member and still have a problem. If you elect to put your trust in the managers and their friends, the ones who closed Syd HM, then I'm wasting my time with this message.

As for meetings. What chance do you think we would have getting Qantas to approve our entry to their premises whilst a PIA ballot is on? I'd try one of the above methods if you need more info.

If this goes to PIA at what stage will the union and members accept an agreement?

When do you accept a deal from a used car salesman? Do you take his first price? The one on the windscreen under the words "discounted". I'd want an opportunity to talk him down first. Am finding it a bit hard to do that with Qantas when posts like this are appearing on public forums and a few (just a few) blokes are showing signs of weakness at the knees in front of managers.

[Ngineer]

What about a few Rowers meetings?

There is alot of mis-communication, and alot of guys who think this EBA is only about a payrise. We are seeing division as a result, it needs to be nipped in the bud so we can focus on the same agenda.