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As if playing the last post is the end of the world. There are far worse things happening in the world every day,and the public are far more concerned about carbon taxes than engineers or pilots trying to keep their jobs in Australia
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Ch9 News Melb 6pm just stated the 'Last Post' was also played over the UHF radio headsets in Sydney as well as the Melbourne PA...
I can not see how this is disrespectful... surely it is more about the way that an Iconic Australain Brand is being destroyed.
Did it happen?? who really thinks it matters... was it endorsed or was it probably just an individual that was in mourning?
Left hand tool use and 1 minute stop works will not make any difference to this fact.
What members of the Aussie public will agree with some/all of the maintenance or pilots jobs going to Malaysia or China? Will they then think the last post being played is appropriate?
I can not see how this is disrespectful... surely it is more about the way that an Iconic Australain Brand is being destroyed.
Did it happen?? who really thinks it matters... was it endorsed or was it probably just an individual that was in mourning?
Left hand tool use and 1 minute stop works will not make any difference to this fact.
What members of the Aussie public will agree with some/all of the maintenance or pilots jobs going to Malaysia or China? Will they then think the last post being played is appropriate?
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"More air time than it deserves"
"More air time than it deserves", surely you have to be joking Steve?
This is a matter of credibility, of public perception, of reputation.
It strikes at the very heart of how we, as an organisation, seek to be portrayed as professionals in the aviation industry.
It's not about who it offended, it's about a standard of conduct that recognises that some things are above reproach and that this one one of those things. Simply trying to counter spin it to place the blame on others (even if it was Q) demeans the organisation even further and damages our cause both professionally and in the eyes of the public.
The reaction doesn't surprise me in the least though as it is yet another example of how those inside the fold so to speak are immune from the standards of behaviour applied to normal people.
I can see this being swept under the rug in the hope that people will forget but for me it marks a sad day in what, until now, has been a savvy and innovative campaign.
This is a poor decision and MUST be acknowledged as such and those that were involved need to be held accountable if we are to be seen as the professionals we claim to be.
That having been said I won't hold my breath waiting for any signs of morality from an organisation that has sadly now, turned the corner in this dispute.
This is a matter of credibility, of public perception, of reputation.
It strikes at the very heart of how we, as an organisation, seek to be portrayed as professionals in the aviation industry.
It's not about who it offended, it's about a standard of conduct that recognises that some things are above reproach and that this one one of those things. Simply trying to counter spin it to place the blame on others (even if it was Q) demeans the organisation even further and damages our cause both professionally and in the eyes of the public.
The reaction doesn't surprise me in the least though as it is yet another example of how those inside the fold so to speak are immune from the standards of behaviour applied to normal people.
I can see this being swept under the rug in the hope that people will forget but for me it marks a sad day in what, until now, has been a savvy and innovative campaign.
This is a poor decision and MUST be acknowledged as such and those that were involved need to be held accountable if we are to be seen as the professionals we claim to be.
That having been said I won't hold my breath waiting for any signs of morality from an organisation that has sadly now, turned the corner in this dispute.
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This is a matter of credibility, of public perception, of reputation.
It strikes at the very heart of how we, as an organisation, seek to be portrayed as professionals in the aviation industry.
It strikes at the very heart of how we, as an organisation, seek to be portrayed as professionals in the aviation industry.
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Longbow... You are absolutely correct. I am not effected by this but i hate to see Ozzy jobs go overseas especially from an iconic company such as QF. If you want to be taken seriously, act seriously. Juvenile games such as the left handed stupidity and shots in the foot like this last post fiasco will only harm what you are trying to do. 
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Longbow and Baron
At least try to not sound like Q management.
No matter how hard you try to sway readers on this forum, your union bashing diatribe is too blatantly obvious.
Buzz off fools.
If the Last Post was played .. a mistake. Sprayed all over the media all day, Q spinning it with their media muscle. Just like the full page 'we're safe' ads for a week. Who is reaching a 'new low'?
At least try to not sound like Q management.
No matter how hard you try to sway readers on this forum, your union bashing diatribe is too blatantly obvious.
Buzz off fools.
If the Last Post was played .. a mistake. Sprayed all over the media all day, Q spinning it with their media muscle. Just like the full page 'we're safe' ads for a week. Who is reaching a 'new low'?
The point is clipped, it's made it easy for management to spin things in a bad way, the last post is sacred, rightly or wrongly.
I am curious though that Steve says no one in Melbourne heard this?
I am curious though that Steve says no one in Melbourne heard this?
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Must be a fkn slow news day if this gets last post crap gets a guernsey.
I've lost relatives in wars, and I'm ex-military myself. I would not have been offended.
That said, the death of Qantas as we know it is nigh and someone ought to write a tune to play at it's demise.
I've lost relatives in wars, and I'm ex-military myself. I would not have been offended.
That said, the death of Qantas as we know it is nigh and someone ought to write a tune to play at it's demise.
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Support lost - resignation following
I certainly pay my dues every fortnight which at least entitles me to an opinion whether or not you agree with it.
It's a simple thing to brand any opinion that you disagree with as being that of a QF Manager but in my case that's certainly not correct.
Think what you will, this latest action is the stuff of fools.
Not only do you make their ammunition for them now you are firing it at your own people.
Smart move!
And these are the same people who seek to be considered "professional", I think they have a way to go yet.
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Geez...... Moving on...... Bigger issues to worry about.
Longbow..... Get over yourself. You are carrying on like the ALAEA hacked the PA and played the last post (if it even happened that is).
Longbow..... Get over yourself. You are carrying on like the ALAEA hacked the PA and played the last post (if it even happened that is).
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Even if it offends only 5% of the public by sounding the Last Post during your stop-work meeting-that is 5% of the public that is now not compassionate to your cause. Most people wont be compassionate to your cause, so offending anyone is not the right way to go.
IMHO if it did happen, it is really poor form (regardless of who put it out in the press). You cannot compare industrial relations to the loss of life at war.
The union needs to educate it's members of the state-of-play in regards to public perception. This could be the 'sample' case against the phrase 'any publicity is good publicity'.
IMHO if it did happen, it is really poor form (regardless of who put it out in the press). You cannot compare industrial relations to the loss of life at war.
The union needs to educate it's members of the state-of-play in regards to public perception. This could be the 'sample' case against the phrase 'any publicity is good publicity'.
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good move tima9x
good to see the founders out at Longreach .....glad it was set up so OUR grand kids might be able to see a Qantas Aircraft.......and listen to the great things that this once great company did for Aviation....the rim
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Long bow I'm glad you are not on jury duty. Resign on rumour ?
IF it happened it was not an ALAEA action IF it happened. One person out of >1000 and you'll resign. Give me a break.
Talk about beat up. I hear the last post [played badly] at cricket matches footy etc. Where's the outrage there ?
Sounds like a set up or one silly person and then it gets beaten up
I say prove it first. Then wring your hands. And for record both my grand father and father were vets. My grandfather an original ANZAC my dad in SE Asia in WWII. If its true its silly but remains bull$!& until proven otherwise. Get a grip girls.
IF it happened it was not an ALAEA action IF it happened. One person out of >1000 and you'll resign. Give me a break.
Talk about beat up. I hear the last post [played badly] at cricket matches footy etc. Where's the outrage there ?
Sounds like a set up or one silly person and then it gets beaten up
I say prove it first. Then wring your hands. And for record both my grand father and father were vets. My grandfather an original ANZAC my dad in SE Asia in WWII. If its true its silly but remains bull$!& until proven otherwise. Get a grip girls.
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Talk about beat up. I hear the last post [played badly] at cricket matches footy etc. Where's the outrage there ?
Amp... It's only played during ANZAC games as a tribute not a cheap Union stunt and is played by ADF personnel. If you think they play it "badly" i suggest your contact the Army, Navy or Air Force.
Amp... It's only played during ANZAC games as a tribute not a cheap Union stunt and is played by ADF personnel. If you think they play it "badly"
i suggest your contact the Army, Navy or Air Force.
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OH ffs 744 , Did I say played badly in any official context ? I know it is only played at anzac tests OFFICIALLY. Played badly by some **** with a smuggled in bugle or trumpet.
People laugh roll their eyes get on with the game. No 3AW outrage calls no RSL sabre rattling. But when an allegation is raised and made public on a yet to proven issue it gets beaten to bits.
Here's some head banging in return
The union is not responsible for the action of every member if it happened, if it was a member.
People laugh roll their eyes get on with the game. No 3AW outrage calls no RSL sabre rattling. But when an allegation is raised and made public on a yet to proven issue it gets beaten to bits.
Here's some head banging in return
The union is not responsible for the action of every member if it happened, if it was a member.
Wanking trolls about "The Last Post". I had lunch with a mate at the Williamstown RSL today.
No offence taken that I could see. Posters advertising "the Black Sorrows" and Jimmy Barnes on the notice boards.
"The Last Post" is played every night on military bases. It has no "sacred" meaning apart from "Shut the Fcuk up and go to sleep".
Reveille has a similar non meaning. I remember being woke up by the ground wave of a pound of TNT that was detonated about Ten seconds after Reveille at Engineers camps.
No offence taken that I could see. Posters advertising "the Black Sorrows" and Jimmy Barnes on the notice boards.
"The Last Post" is played every night on military bases. It has no "sacred" meaning apart from "Shut the Fcuk up and go to sleep".
Reveille has a similar non meaning. I remember being woke up by the ground wave of a pound of TNT that was detonated about Ten seconds after Reveille at Engineers camps.
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Umm Amp... should probably try and make it clearer what you are actually talking about then. I would go head butt your Union at the moment. The circus acts are not doing any of you any good. And before you call me a QF Manager (which i am far from) consider this... If i were i would encourage your current actions.
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Perhaps you in return should be able to prove it "a cheap union stunt?"
And not jump to conclusions and make assumptions.
And not jump to conclusions and make assumptions.