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Take five,
Have you ever considered that this lack of professionalism could be part of the reason for the layoffs?
Got the M.E.L. pen, very ready to use it.
Defects are appearing everywhere.
Defects are appearing everywhere.
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Got the M.E.L. pen, very ready to use it.
Defects are appearing everywhere.
Defects are appearing everywhere.
Have you ever considered that this lack of professionalism could be part of the reason for the layoffs?
The old dungers look after themselves for AOG defects, just as two 734's did today.
Having said that two cancelled A380 flights either end of the network just goes to prove that new technology ain't all that is supposed to be!
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Originally Posted by QAN Shareholder
Have you ever considered that this lack of professionalism could be part of the reason for the layoffs?
Do you seriously consider raising a MEL for a faulty item shows, and let me quote you, a "lack of professionalism..." ?
Please answer.
Please state what you believe a LAME should do if he finds something faulty that is covered in the DDG manual.
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Seen AJ on lateline last night peddling this crap that LAWYERS in Thailand are tripping over each other to get well paid jobs on JETSTAR selling over priced orange juice and muffins what utter CRAP.
Press conference on news24 atm featuring Fed Sec (well done sir!), Katter (woops), Adam Bandt, TWU and others! Maybe things are happening to stop this?
Barry Jackson seemed resigned to his fate on the radio yesterday, may as well go down fighting than go down quietly!
Barry Jackson seemed resigned to his fate on the radio yesterday, may as well go down fighting than go down quietly!
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ST,
The meaning of Take five's post was quite clear, raise defects when you wouldn't have otherwise done so with the objective of disrupting flights. So yes, I do 'seriously consider' this to be a lack of professionalism. With these sorts of tactics you have little hope of getting support from shareholders for your cause.
If we take it as a given that "Take five" (or ANY other LAME) would **NOT** raise a MEL unless the item was indeed faulty, are you saying that you have an objection to a LAME raising a MEL for a faulty item ?
Do you seriously consider raising a MEL for a faulty item shows, and let me quote you, a "lack of professionalism..." ?
Please answer.
Please state what you believe a LAME should do if he finds something faulty that is covered in the DDG manual.
ST
Do you seriously consider raising a MEL for a faulty item shows, and let me quote you, a "lack of professionalism..." ?
Please answer.
Please state what you believe a LAME should do if he finds something faulty that is covered in the DDG manual.
ST
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QAN-Shareholder~Ecstatic
Mate you must be over the moon.QF shareprice has lost near 40% value in the last month and you haven't had a dividend since moses wore short pants
QAN Shareholder:
As you sow, so shall you reap........
Have you ever had your car subjected to a "roadworthy" inspection by the local Police? Do you know that in the absence of anything else, you can always get done for "worn wiper blade rubbers"?
You forget that an aircraft is an assemblage of at least 100,000 parts, and that even a 99.9% reliability rate means that at least Ten parts are broken whenever the aircraft is flying.
Do you really want a LAME to measure the brake pack thickness or tire tread to the nearest thousandth of an inch every time they pull up?
As it is, they put their licenses on the line - and risk criminal prosecution when they sign an aircraft out as serviceable.
Would you like them to certify an aircraft is serviceable illegally?
I'm waiting for your answer....................
The meaning of Take five's post was quite clear, raise defects when you wouldn't have otherwise done so with the objective of disrupting flights. So yes, I do 'seriously consider' this to be a lack of professionalism. With these sorts of tactics you have little hope of getting support from shareholders for your cause.
Have you ever had your car subjected to a "roadworthy" inspection by the local Police? Do you know that in the absence of anything else, you can always get done for "worn wiper blade rubbers"?
You forget that an aircraft is an assemblage of at least 100,000 parts, and that even a 99.9% reliability rate means that at least Ten parts are broken whenever the aircraft is flying.
Do you really want a LAME to measure the brake pack thickness or tire tread to the nearest thousandth of an inch every time they pull up?
As it is, they put their licenses on the line - and risk criminal prosecution when they sign an aircraft out as serviceable.
Would you like them to certify an aircraft is serviceable illegally?
I'm waiting for your answer....................
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If there are so many airworthiness defects, why are LAMEs signing the aircraft out?
What is the point of a LAME pre-flight if they allow 10 airworthiness defects per flight?
Don't be the one who delays an aircraft for no good reason and it ends up in a period of bad weather / windshear/ hail etc, no matter how good the intention.
What is the point of a LAME pre-flight if they allow 10 airworthiness defects per flight?
Don't be the one who delays an aircraft for no good reason and it ends up in a period of bad weather / windshear/ hail etc, no matter how good the intention.
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And SH..........
Not to mention, and here is a simple question............
Do you want LAMEs to work in accordance with the QEPM at all times ?
As any LAME will tell you, working IAW the QEPM WILL GUARANTEE that each and every flight is delayed, if indeed it takes off at all.
For every single flight a LAME should print out the appropriate check sheets, book a calibrated rule out of the store, ensure that areas (the wheel wells) are sufficiently clean to enable them to check diligently for cracks. Naturally the areas must be cleaned IAW the approved procedures, using approved wipes and cleaning fluids.
For ETOPS flights the LAME would of course enter the GRN of the oils used in the Tech Log, when he could find this information
If you know anything about the QF system of maintenance you'll know that the airplanes fly in spite of it and not
because of it 
Need me to go on ?
So again, Do you advocate that LAMEs should maintain airplanes in accordance with the QF MM ??
ST
Not to mention, and here is a simple question............
Do you want LAMEs to work in accordance with the QEPM at all times ?
As any LAME will tell you, working IAW the QEPM WILL GUARANTEE that each and every flight is delayed, if indeed it takes off at all.
For every single flight a LAME should print out the appropriate check sheets, book a calibrated rule out of the store, ensure that areas (the wheel wells) are sufficiently clean to enable them to check diligently for cracks. Naturally the areas must be cleaned IAW the approved procedures, using approved wipes and cleaning fluids.
For ETOPS flights the LAME would of course enter the GRN of the oils used in the Tech Log, when he could find this information
If you know anything about the QF system of maintenance you'll know that the airplanes fly in spite of it and not
because of it Need me to go on ?
So again, Do you advocate that LAMEs should maintain airplanes in accordance with the QF MM ??
ST
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Originally Posted by unseen
If there are so many airworthiness defects, why are LAMEs signing the aircraft out?
Also, and as an example, say a LAMEs is required to check the brake wear, and say the limit is 1/32 inch.
A LAME can eye-ball the pin and immediately put it in one of three categories ...............
1) Under 1/32.....Brake needs changing
2) Well over 1/32....Brake is fine
3) Somewhere around 1/32.......Get a rule and measure it
However, if this check was done strictly in accordance with company procedures it would go something like this every time ..............
1) Log into computer
2) Fire up IE
3) Go to MQF
4) Search for the appropriate check sheet
5) Print out this check sheet
6) Read this check sheet
7) Identify limit as 1/32
8) Go to store
9) Book out calibrated rule
10) Go to aircraft and measure brake
11) Return rule to store
12) Dispose of (now T/X) manual printout
In all seriousness, and if I haven't missed any, the 12 steps above is what the QEPM REQUIRES that the LAME does for each and every check, no matter how small or trivial.
Heaven forbid I suggest that any LAME, after 20 years of service, would in practice use the three-step-eyeball-method to determine the serviceability of a brake, but...........
All we're trying to say is that LAMEs make the airplanes fly in spite of QE procedures, which it seems are designed solely to prevent aircraft flying !!
ST
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Many do not believe it the true believers do.
Many do not believe it the true believers do.
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What the?
What do you think the MEL is for? Toilet paper?
If there are so many airworthiness defects, why are LAMEs signing the aircraft out?
What is the point of a LAME pre-flight if they allow 10 airworthiness defects per flight?
Don't be the one who delays an aircraft for no good reason and it ends up in a period of bad weather / windshear/ hail etc, no matter how good the intention.
What is the point of a LAME pre-flight if they allow 10 airworthiness defects per flight?
Don't be the one who delays an aircraft for no good reason and it ends up in a period of bad weather / windshear/ hail etc, no matter how good the intention.
What do you think the MEL is for? Toilet paper?
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You usually get what you wish for.
Just wait until the "A" licenses arrive and they decide to apply an M.E.L. for a defect.
Which is well within the scope of their license privileges.
Welcome to the new world of Qantasia and 100.66.
A L.A.M.E. is well aware of his responsibilities.
If he gets it wrong it costs $5000 per signature. And his license.
Not something to be taken lightly.
S.T. Was that brake hot or cold, because if it's hot and just landed it will be changed.
If however, it cools down for 20 minutes during the transit it will now be within limits as it contracts and the pin dimension changes.
Funny about limits, isn't it.
It's all in the interpretation.
Quick check just added a 1 hour delay.
Just wait until the "A" licenses arrive and they decide to apply an M.E.L. for a defect.
Which is well within the scope of their license privileges.
Welcome to the new world of Qantasia and 100.66.
A L.A.M.E. is well aware of his responsibilities.
If he gets it wrong it costs $5000 per signature. And his license.
Not something to be taken lightly.
S.T. Was that brake hot or cold, because if it's hot and just landed it will be changed.
If however, it cools down for 20 minutes during the transit it will now be within limits as it contracts and the pin dimension changes.
Funny about limits, isn't it.
It's all in the interpretation.
Quick check just added a 1 hour delay.
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Girls & Guys,
It is 1000 redundancies today retiring 4 aircraft.
If you look at the presentation QF have on the QF intranet about their strategic review, they plan to retire 50 red tail aircraft over the next 5 years.
In other words 1000 redundancies will turn into 5000 redundancies in 5 years as the unions have been arguing.
In the process many Management KPI's and cost cutting bonuses will be achieved.
"Don't, don't, don't believe the hype!!!" You know what I mean
It is 1000 redundancies today retiring 4 aircraft.
If you look at the presentation QF have on the QF intranet about their strategic review, they plan to retire 50 red tail aircraft over the next 5 years.
In other words 1000 redundancies will turn into 5000 redundancies in 5 years as the unions have been arguing.
In the process many Management KPI's and cost cutting bonuses will be achieved.
"Don't, don't, don't believe the hype!!!" You know what I mean
Last edited by Quill Shaft; 17th Aug 2011 at 13:21.
Don't be under any illusions, this isn't the beginning of the reduction in Qantas staff numbers, this graph is compiled with data from their annual reports.
Just need to project it further forward as the trend is well and truly set in motion. Basically, every Qantas member that leaves is being replaced by a Jetstar member on lesser conditions. Every airframe that isn't bought for Qantas is bought for a subsidiary.
It's been on average 1000 per year since 2005 leaving the Qantas mainline ranks, plus another 1000 in a few months, projected forward with the impeding retirement of the 767s and 734s and 744s with the addition on 12 738 and a handful of a380s, the future can easily be predicted.
Just need to project it further forward as the trend is well and truly set in motion. Basically, every Qantas member that leaves is being replaced by a Jetstar member on lesser conditions. Every airframe that isn't bought for Qantas is bought for a subsidiary.
It's been on average 1000 per year since 2005 leaving the Qantas mainline ranks, plus another 1000 in a few months, projected forward with the impeding retirement of the 767s and 734s and 744s with the addition on 12 738 and a handful of a380s, the future can easily be predicted.
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Read more: Qantas engineers expected to strike
The most interesting thing from yesterday's press conference at Parl House was Glenn Sterle's animated comments. Up until now the senior front benchers from Labor have tried to play this with "a straight bat". Even Combet has taken the commercial line....
QANTAS is to be hit with industrial action by its engineers next week while the airline has accused unions of trashing its brand and making misleading claims about its new strategy.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association is set to notify Qantas as early as today of industrial action that is expected to start next Thursday.
The engineers can badly affect the airline's operations and in 2008 their strikes cost Qantas $130 million. Association members have already endorsed industrial action and the union has to give at least three days' notice before it can start lawful action.
Federal secretary Steve Purvinas yesterday accused Qantas of a ''big fat lie'' when it forecast its international business would lose $200 million this financial year. He said the loss had been achieved by shifting profits to other parts of its business.
A Qantas spokesman dismissed the claims as ''laughable'', saying the results were audited and it had a legal obligation to provide accurate information. Qantas is expected to report an overall before-tax profit of $500 million to $550 million next week.
The airline also dismissed union claims that up to 5000 jobs could go at Qantas.
Chief executive Alan Joyce said Qantas was trying to ensure any job losses would be through voluntary redundancies.
''There's no saving in staff cost that Qantas is going to obtain out of this because it is new business ventures,'' Mr Joyce said.
''They're continuing to make false accusations about Qantas offshoring, which is not true, about safety concerns which are not true, and they continue to make false accusations across the board.''
Qantas has argued that it needed drastic action to save its international business and the company's five-year plan includes establishing two Asian airlines, revising routes and its fleet while developing more extensive alliances with other airlines.
Transport Workers Union national secretary Tony Sheldon said he was ''confident'' international aviation unions would take action against Qantas.
He said a recent international union alliance had ''sworn their commitment to make sure that decent paying jobs are maintained in any country and are simply not offshored from one country to undercut another''.
Independent senator Nick Xenophon said he was working with unions to examine the Qantas Sale Act, saying it should be strengthened to ensure something like this never happened again. ''Alan Joyce could well go down as the Sol Trujillo of Qantas,'' Senator Xenophon said.
Greens MP Adam Bandt said he remained unconvinced about Qantas's plans after meeting Mr Joyce. ''While Qantas continues to claim its shift to Asia is about expansion and not about offshoring jobs, it is clear that competitive pressures will affect wages and conditions in Australia,'' he said.
''Qantas's new Asia airline will pay lower wages and will fly into and out of Australia.''
Labor backbencher Glenn Sterle called the decision ''absolutely disgraceful'' and urged Australians to reject the plan.
''It is a well-known fact that for every 100 aviation jobs there are another 600 jobs out there in tourism, hospitality and the like,'' he said. ''This is frightening. We haven't seen anything as frightening as this since the Ansett collapse.''
Climate Change Minister Greg Combet, a former ACTU secretary, said he was concerned, but when a company was losing money in part of its business it was ''clearly going to have to address those losses''.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association is set to notify Qantas as early as today of industrial action that is expected to start next Thursday.
The engineers can badly affect the airline's operations and in 2008 their strikes cost Qantas $130 million. Association members have already endorsed industrial action and the union has to give at least three days' notice before it can start lawful action.
Federal secretary Steve Purvinas yesterday accused Qantas of a ''big fat lie'' when it forecast its international business would lose $200 million this financial year. He said the loss had been achieved by shifting profits to other parts of its business.
A Qantas spokesman dismissed the claims as ''laughable'', saying the results were audited and it had a legal obligation to provide accurate information. Qantas is expected to report an overall before-tax profit of $500 million to $550 million next week.
The airline also dismissed union claims that up to 5000 jobs could go at Qantas.
Chief executive Alan Joyce said Qantas was trying to ensure any job losses would be through voluntary redundancies.
''There's no saving in staff cost that Qantas is going to obtain out of this because it is new business ventures,'' Mr Joyce said.
''They're continuing to make false accusations about Qantas offshoring, which is not true, about safety concerns which are not true, and they continue to make false accusations across the board.''
Qantas has argued that it needed drastic action to save its international business and the company's five-year plan includes establishing two Asian airlines, revising routes and its fleet while developing more extensive alliances with other airlines.
Transport Workers Union national secretary Tony Sheldon said he was ''confident'' international aviation unions would take action against Qantas.
He said a recent international union alliance had ''sworn their commitment to make sure that decent paying jobs are maintained in any country and are simply not offshored from one country to undercut another''.
Independent senator Nick Xenophon said he was working with unions to examine the Qantas Sale Act, saying it should be strengthened to ensure something like this never happened again. ''Alan Joyce could well go down as the Sol Trujillo of Qantas,'' Senator Xenophon said.
Greens MP Adam Bandt said he remained unconvinced about Qantas's plans after meeting Mr Joyce. ''While Qantas continues to claim its shift to Asia is about expansion and not about offshoring jobs, it is clear that competitive pressures will affect wages and conditions in Australia,'' he said.
''Qantas's new Asia airline will pay lower wages and will fly into and out of Australia.''
Labor backbencher Glenn Sterle called the decision ''absolutely disgraceful'' and urged Australians to reject the plan.
''It is a well-known fact that for every 100 aviation jobs there are another 600 jobs out there in tourism, hospitality and the like,'' he said. ''This is frightening. We haven't seen anything as frightening as this since the Ansett collapse.''
Climate Change Minister Greg Combet, a former ACTU secretary, said he was concerned, but when a company was losing money in part of its business it was ''clearly going to have to address those losses''.
The most interesting thing from yesterday's press conference at Parl House was Glenn Sterle's animated comments. Up until now the senior front benchers from Labor have tried to play this with "a straight bat". Even Combet has taken the commercial line....
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Notice to our members just out.
STEVE PURVINAS
Federal Secretary
The ALAEA Enterprise Agreement negotiation team met with Qantas this morning to discuss further our next wage Agreement. The ALAEA opened requesting answers to the 61 questions regarding the alleged losses on the International arm of the business. Qantas would not answer the questions and instead decided it best if we firstly talk about the announcement by the airline to run down the backbone of the Qantas Group by reducing Qantas services in favour of new entities.
A breakdown of the redundancies was explained with the following impact on Engineering. Qantas advised us that the changes take effect from April 2012 and may not all necessarily be voluntary.
20-30 in Base Maintenance Sydney due to the retirement of 4 x 747-400 aircraft.
128 LAMEs across the country due to the commencement of maintenance on demand.
40 transfers in Sydney to Base maintenance due to maintenance on demand.
Qantas were unclear on how 40 Domestic and International LAMEs would be transferred to Base considering redundancies were also occurring there. From today’s meeting we were left under the impression that 188-198 LAMEs will be made redundant in total.
The ALAEA then asked Gavin Harris how long he had known about the additional redundancies that had not been signalled through the course of EA meetings and he assured us that the first he knew about the changes to Base Maintenance was last Friday. On that basis we advised Qantas that we have been meeting with the wrong people regarding our next Agreement, particularly the job security clauses. We requested that people who do know what the plans of the company are attend the meeting including Alan Joyce. Qantas advised us that Alan Joyce was unavailable.
The ALAEA advised management that we thought it a non-productive exercise continuing without Alan or persons who are aware of what the company have planned over the life of the Agreement in attendance. Please prepare for notifications of Protected Industrial Actions over the coming days.
STEVE PURVINAS
Federal Secretary
