Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
Look I support the QF engineers, bit IF this is true and the left hand vs right hand thing is true they had better look at their tactics, because it makes their campaign lack ANY credibility and look down right immature.
And that will work wonders for management in the PR battle.
And that will work wonders for management in the PR battle.
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And that will work wonders for management in the PR battle.
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Steve
Please investigate this and then state PUBLICLY, what you have found.
If it did happen and our members were at fault they should be expelled, this would show everyone that we are fair dinkum and not a bunch of misguided rabble.
If it didn't happen and we can prove it then say so publicly and set the record straight for all to see.
Our, and more particularly your, credibility is at stake here.
Please investigate this and then state PUBLICLY, what you have found.
If it did happen and our members were at fault they should be expelled, this would show everyone that we are fair dinkum and not a bunch of misguided rabble.
If it didn't happen and we can prove it then say so publicly and set the record straight for all to see.
Our, and more particularly your, credibility is at stake here.
I support the QF Engineers - however, if this is true, and as Ozbiggles stated above, in conjunction with this RIDICULOUS left handed thingy, then you guys are fighting an uphill battle in the credibility stakes - appalling if it proves to be case...
ALAEA Fed Sec "Why give it any more air time than it deserves?"
You are not that stupid - because you need to turn your image around - desperately...
I wholeheartedly agree with Longbow25.
(Standing by for confirmation of course, but a tad concerned it may turn out to be true...)
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ALAEA Fed Sec "Why give it any more air time than it deserves?"
You are not that stupid - because you need to turn your image around - desperately...
I wholeheartedly agree with Longbow25.
(Standing by for confirmation of course, but a tad concerned it may turn out to be true...)
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Did I say it before when professionalism died
Well another example why QF and the travelling public can't take the ALAEA seriously. Even if it was one miss guided individual it just shows how unprofessional the Association has turned into. 1 minute stoppages, lefthand use only, the last post played - when are you the membership going to wake up and demand, that the executive operate in a professional manner. To blame the QF media group and not take responsibility SP shows just how bitter you have become.
Act professionally and you will be treated likewise, act irresponsibly and thats how you will be treated. The public will soon change sides!!!
Act professionally and you will be treated likewise, act irresponsibly and thats how you will be treated. The public will soon change sides!!!
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Hysterical Old Women
Sounds like a lot of hysterical old women are posting here lately.As if playing the last post is the end of the world. There are far worse things happening in the world every day,and the public are far more concerned about carbon taxes than engineers or pilots trying to keep their jobs in Australia.
I am sure that those who "may" have played the last post,if it is so proved,would apologise sincerely if they offended those with a right to be offended,namely service personnel & families. Most of the posters here have no such right.
It has to be taken in the context with which it was played,the symbolic death of a great company,nothing more,nothing less.
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F.Y.I. a media crew were scene setting up for what I presume to be back-drop pictures and an 'on site' report outside the Tulla facility at @ 1400hrs this afternoon.
No media organization logo's evident on the vehicle in question. Just blacked out windows and film gear and lighting equipment. Presume somebody may give this non-story a run on TT or ACA?
No media organization logo's evident on the vehicle in question. Just blacked out windows and film gear and lighting equipment. Presume somebody may give this non-story a run on TT or ACA?
Bug-a-lugs - respectfully, I disagree, and I do meet your "requirements" of those eligible to be offended, though I personally wouldn't claim any special right to be offended.
But that's irrelevant - what is relevant is how the PUBLIC will react to this, and I reckon most won't see it in the same context as you:
"It has to be taken in the context with which it was played,the symbolic death of a great company,nothing more,nothing less."
But that's irrelevant - what is relevant is how the PUBLIC will react to this, and I reckon most won't see it in the same context as you:
"It has to be taken in the context with which it was played,the symbolic death of a great company,nothing more,nothing less."
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we were reminded of Ansetts demise and to observe a minute
silence. harmless way of making light of the 1 minute PIA.
think it was a manager present even suggested the idea.
storm in a teacup
silence. harmless way of making light of the 1 minute PIA.
think it was a manager present even suggested the idea.
storm in a teacup
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Steve:
1. Because if it was a company stooge, then the RSL's fury can be publicly redirected at management.
2. Because you can spin it to say we would never endorse such a practice, but it shows the depth of feeling of our members.
There is a positive in everything. Dont worry about the outraged minority groups, as bug a lugs said, and Joe has observed, even if you were entitled to be offended (and I am - but I'm not!), most would not be.
Keep it bubbling, mate. You are doing a good job. Maybe try and coordinate with AIPA for "co-incidental" PIA.
Why give it any more air time than it deserves?
2. Because you can spin it to say we would never endorse such a practice, but it shows the depth of feeling of our members.
There is a positive in everything. Dont worry about the outraged minority groups, as bug a lugs said, and Joe has observed, even if you were entitled to be offended (and I am - but I'm not!), most would not be.
Keep it bubbling, mate. You are doing a good job. Maybe try and coordinate with AIPA for "co-incidental" PIA.
So Steve the guy who knows everything about aviation[listen to the ABC etc etc etc] now knows nothing about this disgusting act of denigration of our fallen.
Now wants to blame "unknown" forces.
How convenient.
Now wants to blame "unknown" forces.
How convenient.
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1. Because if it was a company stooge, then the RSL's fury can be publicly redirected at management.
2. Because you can spin it to say we would never endorse such a practice, but it shows the depth of feeling of our members.
There is a positive in everything. Dont worry about the outraged minority groups, as bug a lugs said, and Joe has observed, even if you were entitled to be offended (and I am - but I'm not!), most would not be.
Keep it bubbling, mate. You are doing a good job. Maybe try and coordinate with AIPA for "co-incidental" PIA.
2. Because you can spin it to say we would never endorse such a practice, but it shows the depth of feeling of our members.
There is a positive in everything. Dont worry about the outraged minority groups, as bug a lugs said, and Joe has observed, even if you were entitled to be offended (and I am - but I'm not!), most would not be.
Keep it bubbling, mate. You are doing a good job. Maybe try and coordinate with AIPA for "co-incidental" PIA.
I will say it again,
I doubt any engineer or staff member who heard the playing of this tune at the maintenance facility at Tullamarine even thought about disrespect to our fallen soldiers, in fact I am 100% sure of this, it's UnAustralian unlike A Joyce,
I am disgusted that he would allow whoever spun this up and fed it to the media keep the job.
I am disgusted that he would allow whoever spun this up and fed it to the media keep the job.
Dont worry about the outraged minority groups
Think about it, the last post tune is used all the time to highlight the end of something, it is used all over the world and not exclusive to the Victorian RSL.
Whoever spun this at Q to the media kicked an own goal.
It is my view, arguing with each other on here is allowing Q corporate affairs to get away with it.
Steve P is doing a good job, he is not the blame for this incident whether you agree with the left handed thing or not. They are two separate issues successfully fused together by the Q PR machine, that's what they are paid to do.
Most people on here are engineers or related to the industry that has nothing to do with the PR profession, and this profession is a dirty business. Don't let this be taken out of context, the intention of whoever pumped up the press. Unity please.
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In other news....... Is it legal for a manager to stand down an employee for carrying out protected action... For example, if the employee was using his left hand and that action was approved?
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Improve Productivity to SAVE jobs
Having retired after a great number of years in the industry, many of which were with BA, it saddens me greatly when I see once great airlines being taken to the cleaners by young, modern and efficient carriers be they LCC or full service carriers.
As all of you know, the airline business is hugely costly to operate and margins, generally wafer thin. The successful carriers will optimise profits to reinvest in fuel efficient aircraft, equipment and product enhancements. Since the world aviation market is subject to rapid changes be they natural disasters, war, epidemics etc. etc., an airline must be able to act swiftly to counter these negative threats that impact the bottom line.
What you see is that airlines which do not have unions lording it over the company, are able to implement change quickly and minimise losses as a result. Disasters aside, they are also able to implement commercial changes, impose staff freezes and improve staff productivity to lower their cost base and remain competitive in an ever increasingly competitive aviation environment. Whilst this may seem like an anathema to traditional trade unions who harp on about saving jobs where in fact, they slowly destroy jobs and curb airline expansion and growth which in turn, yes, creates more jobs. This has been a classic case at BA for the past 40 years and I can see this unfolding at QF as well.
There is no place for the old "them and us struggle" but change is needed. No one likes CHANGE, but is has to become a way of life. A better understanding of the long term objectives and the risks associated with them is essential with Unions truly representing the interests of their membership and management working together. If this is not realised, the outsourcing issue will continue. Improved productivity across the board and ongoing efficiency reviews coupled with natural attrition has to become a way of life. Good luck.
As all of you know, the airline business is hugely costly to operate and margins, generally wafer thin. The successful carriers will optimise profits to reinvest in fuel efficient aircraft, equipment and product enhancements. Since the world aviation market is subject to rapid changes be they natural disasters, war, epidemics etc. etc., an airline must be able to act swiftly to counter these negative threats that impact the bottom line.
What you see is that airlines which do not have unions lording it over the company, are able to implement change quickly and minimise losses as a result. Disasters aside, they are also able to implement commercial changes, impose staff freezes and improve staff productivity to lower their cost base and remain competitive in an ever increasingly competitive aviation environment. Whilst this may seem like an anathema to traditional trade unions who harp on about saving jobs where in fact, they slowly destroy jobs and curb airline expansion and growth which in turn, yes, creates more jobs. This has been a classic case at BA for the past 40 years and I can see this unfolding at QF as well.
There is no place for the old "them and us struggle" but change is needed. No one likes CHANGE, but is has to become a way of life. A better understanding of the long term objectives and the risks associated with them is essential with Unions truly representing the interests of their membership and management working together. If this is not realised, the outsourcing issue will continue. Improved productivity across the board and ongoing efficiency reviews coupled with natural attrition has to become a way of life. Good luck.
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It was Q who spun this to the media
it would have been on highly private, restricted access land that was played in honour of the fallen Brother Airline, Ansett.
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At least here is something that management and ngineers can agree on. This was definately poor form in my books, or a lapse of respect on someone's part. Still, everyone makes mistakes.