Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that a 2 hour stop work, during PIA, results in a loss of 4 hours pay minimum.
If this is the case, why are we not having 4 hour stop work meetings.
If this is the case, why are we not having 4 hour stop work meetings.
The 4 hour docking of pay minimum was under the previous legislation.
But they would be paying people to work then normally. So say an engineer gets paid $10 an hour (for ease of calculation).
During that 2 hour stoppage the company would expect to pay $20.
If they used the union strike breakers (at double time) the company would expect to pay $40.
40/20 = 2
TWO TIMES the pay. Not four.
During that 2 hour stoppage the company would expect to pay $20.
If they used the union strike breakers (at double time) the company would expect to pay $40.
40/20 = 2
TWO TIMES the pay. Not four.
But they would be paying people to work then normally. So say an engineer gets paid $10 an hour (for ease of calculation).
During that 2 hour stoppage the company would expect to pay $20.
If they used the union strike breakers (at double time) the company would expect to pay $40.
40/20 = 2
TWO TIMES the pay. Not four.
During that 2 hour stoppage the company would expect to pay $20.
If they used the union strike breakers (at double time) the company would expect to pay $40.
40/20 = 2
TWO TIMES the pay. Not four.
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Umm ... so am I understanding this right?
Qantas management want to put on bigger aircraft and call in more people during these 2 hour stoppages with possible delays to flights instead of paying a few guys overtime rates and keeping the original schedules?
Which action would cost the company more money?
Remind me who the rogue kamikaze's are again ... ?
Qantas management want to put on bigger aircraft and call in more people during these 2 hour stoppages with possible delays to flights instead of paying a few guys overtime rates and keeping the original schedules?
Which action would cost the company more money?
Remind me who the rogue kamikaze's are again ... ?
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But they would be paying people to work then normally. So say an engineer gets paid $10 an hour (for ease of calculation).
During that 2 hour stoppage the company would expect to pay $20.
If they used the union strike breakers (at double time) the company would expect to pay $40.
40/20 = 2
TWO TIMES the pay. Not four.
During that 2 hour stoppage the company would expect to pay $20.
If they used the union strike breakers (at double time) the company would expect to pay $40.
40/20 = 2
TWO TIMES the pay. Not four.
You're right that for the time required to cover the 2 hours of protected action Qantas will have to pay only double. But that same person is required to be there for a minimum of 4 hours under the current agreement and receive 4 hours of overtime pay for that period. That would happen even if a LAME was called in for say 15 minutes of actual work.
But as Fed Sec said, the shifts are staggered in the morning so if there are LAMEs starting at 5, they wont start until 7, plus there are LAMEs that start at 6 and 7 etc that will take action, so they will start at 8 and 9 respectively. A call-in LAME can cover for a LAME on PIA that was scheduled to start at 5 and 7 to work their minimum 4 hours under the EBA.
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I think we just better get used to Qantas making misleading statements to the public. You can imagine how hard it is to deal with them and why we don't trust them we they make statements like this -
"We can't put what you want into an Agreement but that is our intention".
They put out a press statement yesterday saying that we are targeting the State of Origin match in Bne by having stoppages that morning in Bne. I would think a targeted action against this game would have seen stoppages that day in Syd, not Bne.
"We can't put what you want into an Agreement but that is our intention".
They put out a press statement yesterday saying that we are targeting the State of Origin match in Bne by having stoppages that morning in Bne. I would think a targeted action against this game would have seen stoppages that day in Syd, not Bne.
By now we all know that spurious references to world events are our fault by default, so there is no need to get emotional about it all. It's going to happen and they have the advertising budget with the media that will skew the argument to their side as a matter of course.
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Because, if they call someone in to cover for a shift, they get paid a minimum of four hours.
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Qantas management want to put on bigger aircraft and call in more people during these 2 hour stoppages with possible delays to flights instead of paying a few guys overtime rates and keeping the original schedules?
Which action would cost the company more money?
Which action would cost the company more money?
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here we go again
I am so sick and tired of listening to Qf management and their BS.
I have heard it all before.
they have outsourced , off shored and closed down as much as they can
and still function. as soon as jetstar get the 787's and the 767 is a thing of the
past they will shut down even more.
this EBA is not about money it is about our jobs.
well I got news for the company stooges that watch these pages,
I aint going down without a fight.
RIP
syd heavy maint
syd EOC
syd support shops
I have heard it all before.
they have outsourced , off shored and closed down as much as they can
and still function. as soon as jetstar get the 787's and the 767 is a thing of the
past they will shut down even more.
this EBA is not about money it is about our jobs.
well I got news for the company stooges that watch these pages,
I aint going down without a fight.
RIP
syd heavy maint
syd EOC
syd support shops
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It's not about the 2 hours here or 2 hours there, this is just the beginning.
Reality is that the Lames are disengaged and the brakes will be on for the whole shift for the duration of the campaign.
A lot of what happens runs on goodwill.
This has dried up, thanks to the current management muppets.
There's a good chance that what takes 10 minutes to fix with an engaged employee will take greater than 1 hour as per text book, and what takes 5 hours to do with an engaged employee will take greater than one shift as per text book.
Reality is that the Lames are disengaged and the brakes will be on for the whole shift for the duration of the campaign.
A lot of what happens runs on goodwill.
This has dried up, thanks to the current management muppets.
There's a good chance that what takes 10 minutes to fix with an engaged employee will take greater than 1 hour as per text book, and what takes 5 hours to do with an engaged employee will take greater than one shift as per text book.
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2hrs pay, 4hrs pay, 6hrs pay...or even 8hrs pay to scab on your mates!
Strewth, if you haven't got that sorted out, what else haven't you got sorted out?...Oh boy, this will be interesting!
Strewth, if you haven't got that sorted out, what else haven't you got sorted out?...Oh boy, this will be interesting!
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By now we all know that spurious references to world events are our fault by default, so there is no need to get emotional about it all. It's going to happen and they have the advertising budget with the media that will skew the argument to their side as a matter of course.
2hrs pay, 4hrs pay, 6hrs pay...or even 8hrs pay to scab on your mates!
Strewth, if you haven't got that sorted out, what else haven't you got sorted out?...Oh boy, this will be interesting!
Strewth, if you haven't got that sorted out, what else haven't you got sorted out?...Oh boy, this will be interesting!
Call-in overtime (ie not rostered in as in a 12/12 hr ddnn shift) is minimum 4 hours of double time. Regardless if they only want us there for 2 minutes, its a 4 hour minimum payment at double dollars.
They could call us in for 12 hours on the affected day if they wanted to.
It is all sorted out from our perspective, people are just getting a bit emotional about the latest mistruth from the PR department. We should all be used to it by now.
But, I wonder why you are taking such a keen interest and putting your negative non productive 2 cents worth in at every step in this thread. Yes I'm sure you're bitter about 89, its not relevant today attacking the LAME's as a whole as most of them were not even LAME's or AME's in 1989.
Even the majority of Ex-Ansett guys have gotten over it by now and that was only in 2001.
Don't you just love the 'find more posts function'
Another great post by Amos during our last dispute
Let me tell you why you blokes are not gonna win this dispute!
1. 40% of you will scab.
2. The company will employ strike breakers.
3. The public will turn against you.
4. The company (obviously) is against you.
5. The Guvmint' will be against you.
6. The pilots, cabin crew, traffic officers, dunny cleaners...you name it, will all be against you.
7. You want 5, the company has offered 3 plus 1 in super, the weaklings amongst you will buckle so quick over a piddly extra 1 it will be all over in a week!
So, is what I'm saying valid...
well, I think it is, and you know why?...
'cause back in 89' when Ansett and Australian airlines brought in foreign registered aircraft crewed by foreign pilots to break the domestic pilots dispute, guess who serviced and signed off on the part twos'...
You guys!! And that shows your character...which aint that crash hot!
1. 40% of you will scab.
2. The company will employ strike breakers.
3. The public will turn against you.
4. The company (obviously) is against you.
5. The Guvmint' will be against you.
6. The pilots, cabin crew, traffic officers, dunny cleaners...you name it, will all be against you.
7. You want 5, the company has offered 3 plus 1 in super, the weaklings amongst you will buckle so quick over a piddly extra 1 it will be all over in a week!
So, is what I'm saying valid...
well, I think it is, and you know why?...
'cause back in 89' when Ansett and Australian airlines brought in foreign registered aircraft crewed by foreign pilots to break the domestic pilots dispute, guess who serviced and signed off on the part twos'...
You guys!! And that shows your character...which aint that crash hot!
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Qantas engineers cancel strike action
From the ABC.
Qantas engineers have called off strike action scheduled for next week because of the expected chaos that will be caused by the grounding of all Tiger Airways flights.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has suspended all Tiger Airways flights in Australia for the next week because of "serious" safety concerns.
The Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association had planned a series of rolling stoppages in some capital cities next week over job security issues.
In May Qantas was forced to cancel more than 30 flights ahead of a strike by the engineers, however the action ended up being cancelled.
Federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese says over 30,000 passengers will be affected by the Tiger Airways grounding.
He says CASA did not take the decision lightly.
"That is extremely regrettable, but I think the Australian public expects safety to always come first," he said.
"My department, my staff, CASA, have been working literally all night to do what they can to put in place these measures."
Mr Albanese says Tiger could seek an injunction against the flight ban.
CASA first raised concerns about Tiger's safety and maintenance in March.
Last month two Tiger flights flew too low as they approached Melbourne.
CASA says it is no longer confident the airline can address its concerns.
A spokesman for the authority says it is considering whether it needs to go to the Federal Court to extend the grounding.
Qantas, Jetstar and Virgin have put on extra flights to help the stranded passengers.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has suspended all Tiger Airways flights in Australia for the next week because of "serious" safety concerns.
The Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association had planned a series of rolling stoppages in some capital cities next week over job security issues.
In May Qantas was forced to cancel more than 30 flights ahead of a strike by the engineers, however the action ended up being cancelled.
Federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese says over 30,000 passengers will be affected by the Tiger Airways grounding.
He says CASA did not take the decision lightly.
"That is extremely regrettable, but I think the Australian public expects safety to always come first," he said.
"My department, my staff, CASA, have been working literally all night to do what they can to put in place these measures."
Mr Albanese says Tiger could seek an injunction against the flight ban.
CASA first raised concerns about Tiger's safety and maintenance in March.
Last month two Tiger flights flew too low as they approached Melbourne.
CASA says it is no longer confident the airline can address its concerns.
A spokesman for the authority says it is considering whether it needs to go to the Federal Court to extend the grounding.
Qantas, Jetstar and Virgin have put on extra flights to help the stranded passengers.
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Qantas engineers have called off strike action scheduled for next week because of the expected chaos that will be caused by the grounding of all Tiger Airways flights.