Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Bright youngsters with a technical streak have plenty of hi tech alternatives these days.
When I started the opportunities in IT were minute.Aircraft trades, eleco, radio tech was all that was around with very little computer stuff about.
Computer programmers were spoken off in hushed tones as they did their cobol or fortran etc.
When I started the opportunities in IT were minute.Aircraft trades, eleco, radio tech was all that was around with very little computer stuff about.
Computer programmers were spoken off in hushed tones as they did their cobol or fortran etc.
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Put your guns back in their holsters old dudes!
I never said anything against our valued more experienced LAMEs.
What I do have a problem with is Base Maint management bringing back previously redundant LAMEs as casuals purely for their signatures thus reducing type training requirements.
I never said anything against our valued more experienced LAMEs.
What I do have a problem with is Base Maint management bringing back previously redundant LAMEs as casuals purely for their signatures thus reducing type training requirements.
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What about the majority of people who want to be a part of a union, recognise what a union achieves for them and the protection against exploitation that unions provide?
Most probably never worked outside of the sheltered workshop of QANTAS either....
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I agree that we no longer attract the cream of school leavers
None of the blokes I started with were staight A students and some of them are top LAMEs now.
I can read!
Read the title of the thread.
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I agree that we no longer attract the cream of school leavers
Plus they can earn double the coin working for a mining outfit.
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You QF guys (especially the coneys!) need to get out more often and experience the trials and tribulations of the real world...
Probably not the place for this, (after all, I did mention that this thread is about QF), I do note that in other threads you seem to be troubled by the lack of attention given to the GA award by the ALAEA.
So my question to you is this. Are YOU a member of the association?
If no, then quit complaining about their lack of attention to your award.
The ALAEA really has no obligation to those who are not members. Don't like that? Negotiate your own award! Best of luck
I do note that in other threads you seem to be troubled by the lack of attention given to the GA award by the ALAEA.
Negotiate your own award!
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mightyauster. Excuse me while I wipe away my tears.
Most of us who were there in 2008 couldn't wait to stand up and be counted. We didn't just stand back and expect the ALAEA to get a better deal for us. We all realised that we ARE the ALAEA. Every one of us standing together allowed us to negotiate a better deal for all of us. The fact that you are no longer a member shows that you made your choice, not to be one of us. If you were really so upset with the industry and the way you have been treated, you would be more supportive of the actions of the ALAEA, which are only driving up the conditions for all LAMEs in Australia.
By the way, I heard that Big M isn't even allowed to play with train sets these days. That goes for some of his cronies as well.
I would hope that the current QF management have more sense than their predecessors, and would want to reach a fair negotiation between the parties rather than try to dictate terms.
Most of us who were there in 2008 couldn't wait to stand up and be counted. We didn't just stand back and expect the ALAEA to get a better deal for us. We all realised that we ARE the ALAEA. Every one of us standing together allowed us to negotiate a better deal for all of us. The fact that you are no longer a member shows that you made your choice, not to be one of us. If you were really so upset with the industry and the way you have been treated, you would be more supportive of the actions of the ALAEA, which are only driving up the conditions for all LAMEs in Australia.
By the way, I heard that Big M isn't even allowed to play with train sets these days. That goes for some of his cronies as well.
I would hope that the current QF management have more sense than their predecessors, and would want to reach a fair negotiation between the parties rather than try to dictate terms.
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Dream on One Eye!
The tone of the EBA updates, GH's negotiating tactics, the lack of staff engagement (even though they pay lip service to the idea) - No, the new management have not learnt any lessons from last time. Still using MH's notes, I would suggest. Unfortunately, I think they are ready to 'burn' another $150m.
On the other hand, I think the ALAEA membership is more united. Numbers have grown both within Qantas ( 95% of LAMEs are members in my area compared to about 80% last PIA) and within aviation in general. I have confidence the current executive know where they want to end up, know how to get there and will do it according to their timetable.
Unforunately for QE management (and all employees in the long run), Qantas is in a much worse position this time compared to last.
The tone of the EBA updates, GH's negotiating tactics, the lack of staff engagement (even though they pay lip service to the idea) - No, the new management have not learnt any lessons from last time. Still using MH's notes, I would suggest. Unfortunately, I think they are ready to 'burn' another $150m.
On the other hand, I think the ALAEA membership is more united. Numbers have grown both within Qantas ( 95% of LAMEs are members in my area compared to about 80% last PIA) and within aviation in general. I have confidence the current executive know where they want to end up, know how to get there and will do it according to their timetable.
Unforunately for QE management (and all employees in the long run), Qantas is in a much worse position this time compared to last.
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I think we are to blame for some of the younger guys coming through, the apprentices don't have LAMEs sitting down and going through systems diagrams or explaining why the job is being done, all they know is "Do what is on the task card" and sign it off.
The EBA scene has been a little quiet over the last few months, no updates (youtube) or emails have come out. Any news Fed Sec?
The EBA scene has been a little quiet over the last few months, no updates (youtube) or emails have come out. Any news Fed Sec?
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Guys in my dept are talking likely industrial campaign in the coming months. Aparently nothing on offer, not even an option of another lease supplier or other salary sacrifice options. Surprised you haven't heard much. I guess a few feedback meetings will be held after the mid-month deadline.
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Fed sec has indicated here that prep for industrial action will start on the 16th of February.
Expecting an offer by the 15th but if not I guess action will commence.
Expecting an offer by the 15th but if not I guess action will commence.
Cautious steps needed brothers. Management were educated by us last round and will have newer and better tactics this round.
Easier to control or anticipate the uneducated.
Easier to control or anticipate the uneducated.
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Thanks Ampclamp. Pretty much what I heard.
Last bunch of managers took us on feeling pretty confident. I am sure the new faces (and some of the older ones) will feel the same this time around also. We will see what we will see I guess.....
Last bunch of managers took us on feeling pretty confident. I am sure the new faces (and some of the older ones) will feel the same this time around also. We will see what we will see I guess.....
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G'day all. Just some feedback and then an explanation on the various forms of communication we use.
Yes I posted that the process for some action would commence 16 Feb. Main reason for this posting was to let Qantas know that we won't be sitting back this time and to put a god damn offer on the table. They can sort a Forstaff EA out from initial approach to ballot in 6 weeks. Qf EA discussions have been running for four months. Qantas have asked me about the post and I let them know I am good for my word.
Last you tube a few days before xmas. Most of us been off Jan and there were no planned meetings. They kick off again this Thurs. E-torque with some info comes out tonight.
As to the feedback we use I can break it down to the value I estimate each form delivers. These meanings will be used MC-members covered. TT-time to deliver. CA-approx cost for ALAEA. CD-amount of content delivered.
Meetings all ports - MC 95%, TT 3 weeks, CA $8000, CD100%.
Meetings Eastern States - MC 85%, TT 2 weeks, CA $5500, CD 100%.
Notice - MC 70%, TT 5 hours, CA $0, CD 40%.
Email - MC 80%, TT 2 hours, CA $0, CD 25%.
You tube - MC 50%, TT 5 hours, CA $0, CD 60%.
PPrune - MC 25%, TT 15 mins, CA $0, CD 25%.
Text Msg - MC 90%, TT 1 hour, CA $500, CD 10%.
There is a place for each of these methods but regardless, members should spread word. The coming months may be interesting.
cheers
Steve
Yes I posted that the process for some action would commence 16 Feb. Main reason for this posting was to let Qantas know that we won't be sitting back this time and to put a god damn offer on the table. They can sort a Forstaff EA out from initial approach to ballot in 6 weeks. Qf EA discussions have been running for four months. Qantas have asked me about the post and I let them know I am good for my word.
Last you tube a few days before xmas. Most of us been off Jan and there were no planned meetings. They kick off again this Thurs. E-torque with some info comes out tonight.
As to the feedback we use I can break it down to the value I estimate each form delivers. These meanings will be used MC-members covered. TT-time to deliver. CA-approx cost for ALAEA. CD-amount of content delivered.
Meetings all ports - MC 95%, TT 3 weeks, CA $8000, CD100%.
Meetings Eastern States - MC 85%, TT 2 weeks, CA $5500, CD 100%.
Notice - MC 70%, TT 5 hours, CA $0, CD 40%.
Email - MC 80%, TT 2 hours, CA $0, CD 25%.
You tube - MC 50%, TT 5 hours, CA $0, CD 60%.
PPrune - MC 25%, TT 15 mins, CA $0, CD 25%.
Text Msg - MC 90%, TT 1 hour, CA $500, CD 10%.
There is a place for each of these methods but regardless, members should spread word. The coming months may be interesting.
cheers
Steve