Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
We encourage the ALAEA to negotiate!!
Have seen this statement written many times in the last few days-Well,guess what,isnt that exactly what they have been trying to do for nearly 9 months now???
Obviously a forgotten fact but dont you have to have a reasonable offer on the table before it can be negotiated on.
So,now show us how keen you are to negotiate,put an offer on the table that is fair & reasonable(your words),dont reneg or publish false information in the media & for the small minded that just cant help themselves-name calling is very childish!!
Obviously a forgotten fact but dont you have to have a reasonable offer on the table before it can be negotiated on.
So,now show us how keen you are to negotiate,put an offer on the table that is fair & reasonable(your words),dont reneg or publish false information in the media & for the small minded that just cant help themselves-name calling is very childish!!
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Exactly what i am saying Steve,maybe time to hammer them hard-all the evidence is there now from the letters of the last few days,almost every 1 of them is encouraging the ALAEA to negotiate a fair and reasonable outcome,maybe the commision or FWA need to have a look at their on going rhetoric!
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so again it appears that QF are not saying the full story... perhaps they like to lie to everyone just to feather their own caps and make them out to be the good guys!
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It shouldn't surprise anyone that QF management seems intent on purveying lies or misinformation to further their cause.
Unions need to act smarter and conduct their actions in innovative ways. I believe we are doing this.
The fact that management seeks to undermine us in the media has had the effect of galvanising the unity and co-operation of the various employee groups. Well done Qantas!
Fed Sec, I support you guys 100% and trust that the courses of action you decide to take have been carefully considered. I know this race is not a sprint..
Unions need to act smarter and conduct their actions in innovative ways. I believe we are doing this.
The fact that management seeks to undermine us in the media has had the effect of galvanising the unity and co-operation of the various employee groups. Well done Qantas!
Fed Sec, I support you guys 100% and trust that the courses of action you decide to take have been carefully considered. I know this race is not a sprint..
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Whilst researching the formidable business acumen of our Board, I came across a very interesting and recent article regarding our very own Peter Cosgrove.
Now if only this level of concern and determination for Australian aviation maintenance was on the real agenda of the Board.
Sigh.
Build our ships at home, says former defence chief
Brendan Nicholson, Defence Editor
From:The Australian
June 30, 201112:00AM
AUSTRALIA will spend almost $250 billion building, operating and maintaining warships during the next 30 years and the money should be spent here instead of purchasing vessels overseas, says former defence force chief Peter Cosgrove.
General Cosgrove told The Australian the fleet set down in the 2009 Defence white paper would require at least 48 new vessels in addition to the giant landing ships and air warfare destroyers already being built.
"Unfortunately, current media debate about Australia's indigenous naval shipbuilding capability is focused on single projects, surmountable start-up issues, and the initial purchase price of each vessel rather than the total cost of buying and maintaining the fleet over its full life," General Cosgrove said.
"This short-term focus, coupled with budgetary constraints, predictably leads to calls to buy 'cheaper' off-the-shelf naval vessels from overseas."
While buying ships overseas might appear the cheapest solution, it would compromise Australia's ability to maintain and upgrade naval ships, particularly in times of conflict, and increase the total cost, General Cosgrove said.
He said Australia had a good record of building naval vessels and the debate was ignoring critical issues.
Speaking as chairman of the South Australian defence advisory board, General Cosgrove said focusing on the purchase price ignored the critical cost of running ships throughout their lives.
Whether ships were bought off the shelf abroad or designed and built in Australia, the cost estimate must take into account both building and operating them. "As much as 85 per cent of total project cost can be spent supporting the ship through its life," General Cosgrove said.
"This massive shipbuilding program demands a long-term multi-project plan, which takes a whole-of-life approach to deliver the naval capability we need.
"If we are serious about efficiency -- and we must be -- then our building program must give certainty to industry so they can invest to deliver the capability at best price.
"An experienced, competent Australian shipbuilding industry can build ships as cost-effectively as other shipbuilding nations."
Brendan Nicholson, Defence Editor
From:The Australian
June 30, 201112:00AM
AUSTRALIA will spend almost $250 billion building, operating and maintaining warships during the next 30 years and the money should be spent here instead of purchasing vessels overseas, says former defence force chief Peter Cosgrove.
General Cosgrove told The Australian the fleet set down in the 2009 Defence white paper would require at least 48 new vessels in addition to the giant landing ships and air warfare destroyers already being built.
"Unfortunately, current media debate about Australia's indigenous naval shipbuilding capability is focused on single projects, surmountable start-up issues, and the initial purchase price of each vessel rather than the total cost of buying and maintaining the fleet over its full life," General Cosgrove said.
"This short-term focus, coupled with budgetary constraints, predictably leads to calls to buy 'cheaper' off-the-shelf naval vessels from overseas."
While buying ships overseas might appear the cheapest solution, it would compromise Australia's ability to maintain and upgrade naval ships, particularly in times of conflict, and increase the total cost, General Cosgrove said.
He said Australia had a good record of building naval vessels and the debate was ignoring critical issues.
Speaking as chairman of the South Australian defence advisory board, General Cosgrove said focusing on the purchase price ignored the critical cost of running ships throughout their lives.
Whether ships were bought off the shelf abroad or designed and built in Australia, the cost estimate must take into account both building and operating them. "As much as 85 per cent of total project cost can be spent supporting the ship through its life," General Cosgrove said.
"This massive shipbuilding program demands a long-term multi-project plan, which takes a whole-of-life approach to deliver the naval capability we need.
"If we are serious about efficiency -- and we must be -- then our building program must give certainty to industry so they can invest to deliver the capability at best price.
"An experienced, competent Australian shipbuilding industry can build ships as cost-effectively as other shipbuilding nations."
Sigh.
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As channel 9's cast and crew choose to fly qantas, it comes as no suprise that they only cover qantas's side of the story. All they are doing is protecting their "sponsors" interests.
What we have here is another version of Cash for comment, except this time its
travel for comment.
I hate that today show anyhow. I will have to find something else to watch during
my 2 hr work stoppage . Can you make it a sat morning Steve so i can
watch the thunderbirds
What we have here is another version of Cash for comment, except this time its
travel for comment.
I hate that today show anyhow. I will have to find something else to watch during
my 2 hr work stoppage . Can you make it a sat morning Steve so i can
watch the thunderbirds
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the credability of the "Today" show is less than the Thunderbirds so that is a good choice... from what I understand those in the know will see the big holes in certain media content and those statements released by QF to the public and staff.
the real story is as simple as following the real story on the floor... where the real guys know what is happening.
shame that the 'untruths' will see Qantas management with their pants around their knees... might not happen yet but I believe it will.
the real story is as simple as following the real story on the floor... where the real guys know what is happening.
shame that the 'untruths' will see Qantas management with their pants around their knees... might not happen yet but I believe it will.
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Best Wishes
I would like to also pass on my best wishes to Darrel. Met him a few times, liked the man I met. Hope all works out for you.
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things have gone a bit quite of late due to the tiger issue and its a big issue dont get me wrong......but given the time it makes one think....could this all be a plan, tiger goes under or at least a few weeks off at the start of our PIA ,we with all good intent withdraw our action and CASA step in and make a big fuss over tiger while we do our normal job the new regs slip in amongst all this mess [not forgetting they were always coming in]but it all looks like a set up,whats next
