Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Maybe we got screwed over by management and the labor party, but at least the the Australian public are now aware of the a$$clowns running the show (or at least those who were not already aware).
Thats a huge win in my books. Well done to the ALAEA team.
Thats a huge win in my books. Well done to the ALAEA team.
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but at least the the Australian public are now aware of the a$$clowns running the show (or at least those who were not already aware).
When was there last a public outcry at the QF management? When they grounded the airline. Since then, they've come back to fly again as there will be no more disruptions to flights due to industrial action by either side.
What about what the major investors think? It doesn't really matter. The airline will still fly whether the shares are at $6.00 or at $0.50. Those major shareholders won't dump their shares at $0.50 and will hold on to them till they can at least get their money back or they will want a change of management.
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but at least the the Australian public are now aware of the a$$clowns running the show (or at least those who were not already aware).
The stupidity is that Qantas is at least Five years out of phase.
By the time Qantas has completed its outsourcing, Major international airlines will be bringing their maintenance back in house.
Watch what happens when the Australian dollar is around 0.75 cents.
By the time Qantas has completed its outsourcing, Major international airlines will be bringing their maintenance back in house.
Watch what happens when the Australian dollar is around 0.75 cents.
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Well done SP, Wookie, and the Exec team. A good result given the circumstances.
Even though the PIA was prematurely cutoff, it still showed we are a force to reckoned with. Unlike other unions, we actually flexed our muscles, and delivered a few black eyes, and raised a few blood pressures.
Maybe we won't be able to do this sort of action again, but at least we did have a go.
Once again, well done all.
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Even though the PIA was prematurely cutoff, it still showed we are a force to reckoned with. Unlike other unions, we actually flexed our muscles, and delivered a few black eyes, and raised a few blood pressures.
Maybe we won't be able to do this sort of action again, but at least we did have a go.
Once again, well done all.
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By the time Qantas has completed its outsourcing, Major international airlines will be bringing their maintenance back in house.
The unfortunate problem with QANTAS management (and it has been a problem for quite a while now) is that they believe they are smarter than their counterparts and won't make the mistakes they make. None of their counterparts grounded their own airline in spite of their workers or the travelling public.
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None of their counterparts grounded their own airline in spite of their workers or the travelling public.
coupled with the lousy flight to wherever and isn't that AJ/LC/Union Heavy dismal 
(sorry Fed Sec, but truth in reporting, and that was only a small group of cucumber sandwich eaters 
). My 2011 Christmas parties experience, anyway. Being Australia The Land of the BBQ fuelled 'what my mate from the pub's sister who works with a cousin of so and so's whose best friend said' discussion, then the conspiracy theories start, and before you know it the Qantas Board has aliens on ice and wants to take over Westpac and run it as an airline so they can float it on the Korean stock exchange.
Either way, last Christmas Qantas were generally regarded fondly as all Australian heroes (unless you called in here between shopping trips
)...this Christmas they're a key discussion point between dropped snags and Sav Blancs. Next Christmas, who knows what they'll be? Successful companies value their brands. Look at the angst from the cigarette manufacturers about threats to their trademarks. They value their pretty packaging with the bright colours enough to fund High Court challenges because they realise how much branding is worth. Of course, when you sell a product that kills approximately 50% of its users you have to be damned careful with your marketing.
Companies like Golden Circle and GMH continue to push the Australian made illusion because they know what an allegedly true-blue brand is worth, and they know that most consumers don't read the made-from-1%-local-and-99%-imported ingredients small print. It's what separates your crappy product from the other 400 crappy products on the market that do exactly the same thing. That's why most sane companies treasure their brand, its reputation and its alleged dinky di credentials, even when the actual credentials start looking a bit shaky under scrutiny. In contrast, the Qantas Board seem to value their brand as much as Christopher Skase famously regarded his Australian citizenship; like a pair of smelly socks. His wife lived to regret that statement when applying for her citizenship back and maybe the Qantas Board will live to regret their trashing of the brand.
Maybe not though, they'll probably all have blown through with generous severance packages and be ruining other companies by the time the sludge settles.
All in the interests of the shareholder, you understand. Apparently it's all about the shareholder.
What are they worth again? Who actually owns them? That's right, mates of the board. What's round, has teeth and bites? A vicious circle...
Merry Christmas y'all, especially the ALAEA, and if you're looking for a good under-tree gift, this book is a good one...bit lefty, but interesting, particularly for any other working bogans who have posted on here saying 'that's a bit off' when confronted with the shareholder value pundits who are so vocal on Qantas threads. I'm not a Cambridge professor, but this guy is, and a lot of this book sounds very familiar.
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Thanks SP and all the Exec team
Thanks SP and all the Exec team. You guys are definitely the best guys we’ve had running the union ever.
As for
Ngineer never said he was continuing industrial action.
Two things do come to mind though.
1. The “army of one”.
2. Branson’s quote “look after your staff and the rest takes care of itself."
I think productivity and profits will be down next FY.
I know quite a few people switched to Virgin and will not be back to QF thanks to AJ and LC. The Board will be wondering where all the profits went. What a bunch of fools they are.
As for
unseen's comment- Ngineer - continuing industrial action are we?
Two things do come to mind though.
1. The “army of one”.
2. Branson’s quote “look after your staff and the rest takes care of itself."
I think productivity and profits will be down next FY.
I know quite a few people switched to Virgin and will not be back to QF thanks to AJ and LC. The Board will be wondering where all the profits went. What a bunch of fools they are.
Seriously though, you have achieved nothing more than what could have been got 2 years ago without all the agro. AJ would have been doing cartwheels in his office when he found out the engineers had caved in.
But then again if you are all happy, then good result.
But then again if you are all happy, then good result.
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The Public could not care less as long as the aircraft gets from a to b on time that's it.
Jethro, you should so be a QF manager with and attitude like that!!
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To be fair to JG ngineer, there are plenty of people who dont care about anything but getting there on time cheaply. The thought of safety, the board's abilities or how they act with their employees lasts as long as yesteday's newspaper headlines.
A/Brakes 4 , are you ok? Been on Mars for 2 years?
2 years ago there was no offer, zero. No pay rise, maint on demand: not negotiable, unlimited A licenses just to mention a few. Sounds like someone trying to re write history. Caving in, that is so funny.
A/Brakes 4 , are you ok? Been on Mars for 2 years?
2 years ago there was no offer, zero. No pay rise, maint on demand: not negotiable, unlimited A licenses just to mention a few. Sounds like someone trying to re write history. Caving in, that is so funny.
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Have been hearing that the QE negotiating team, GH and KC, existence at QF may be short lived.
Harris has been a common denominator in 2008 and 2011 and has been a dismal failure in each case. He has failed as a leader and negotiator, so I say, good riddance. If he falls I imagine his posse of merry men will fall too.
Harris has been a common denominator in 2008 and 2011 and has been a dismal failure in each case. He has failed as a leader and negotiator, so I say, good riddance. If he falls I imagine his posse of merry men will fall too.
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Have been hearing that the QE negotiating team, GH and KC, existence at QF may be short lived.
Harris has been a common denominator in 2008 and 2011 and has been a dismal failure in each case. He has failed as a leader and negotiator, so I say, good riddance. If he falls I imagine his posse of merry men will fall too.
Harris has been a common denominator in 2008 and 2011 and has been a dismal failure in each case. He has failed as a leader and negotiator, so I say, good riddance. If he falls I imagine his posse of merry men will fall too.
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Fair Work Act review details unveiled
The federal government has asked a former federal court judge, an academic and a Reserve Bank board member to review the Fair Work Act.
Terms of reference for the review were released by Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten in Melbourne on Tuesday.
The review will be conducted by RBA board member John Edwards, Justice Michael Moore and legal and workplace relations academic Ron McCallum.
"They bring diverse experience and skills in working on workplace relations and economic matters in Australia," Mr Shorten told reporters, adding the trio had the ability to bring a new perspective to the debate.
He said the conservative side of politics had "broken" the workplace relations system by introducing Work Choices.
The minister, who took over the workplace relations portfolio last week, said the government believed Labor's replacement system was working well.
"But there is always room for improvement," he said.
Fair Work Act review details unveiled
Terms of reference for the review were released by Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten in Melbourne on Tuesday.
The review will be conducted by RBA board member John Edwards, Justice Michael Moore and legal and workplace relations academic Ron McCallum.
"They bring diverse experience and skills in working on workplace relations and economic matters in Australia," Mr Shorten told reporters, adding the trio had the ability to bring a new perspective to the debate.
He said the conservative side of politics had "broken" the workplace relations system by introducing Work Choices.
The minister, who took over the workplace relations portfolio last week, said the government believed Labor's replacement system was working well.
"But there is always room for improvement," he said.
Fair Work Act review details unveiled
These guys in Canberra amaze me....
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So when do you think the EA will officially be rubber stamped?
Kick back, relax and enjoy the Festive Season.