V Oz Firing Up
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Just a slight correction to what Balibo says, in that there are only 18 positions remaining to be filled by VB captains to satisfy the EBA requirement to have 4/7th of the Captain positions filled by VB Captains for the first 7 aircraft. Current crewing should indicate that with 10 primary crew per aircraft the VB deed should be met with the delivery of aircraft number 6, and upgrade of qualified SFO will get going in 2011. The only way I can see that extensive DEC's will be used is if the internal rumours of 200LR's happens quickly.
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Anthill - don't work for V Oz do you by chance and are a Crz F/O??
Can someone explain to me why they are called a Crz F/O anyway?? What a stupid title, does it make them feel more important than they are
The conditions are disgusting. Have mates there and they are getting flogged for $54000, plus the promise of 'performance bonuses' which to me means never call in sick, never not answer your phone, come into the office and do free work for us, always do additional duties or no bonus. Disgrace.
It would be around this time - you know, being in the company for a little while now that the shiny new jet syndrome has worn off and the realisation that it is a shit deal would be well and truly setting in.
Reminds me of junior instructors all willing to work for free.
Has always happened, will always happen.
Stop selling yourselves out.
Don't for a second think that just because you have been there a while now that management won't hire over the top of you again.
But I guess you knew all that when you signed on.
Excuse me while I throw up your EBA
Can someone explain to me why they are called a Crz F/O anyway?? What a stupid title, does it make them feel more important than they are
The conditions are disgusting. Have mates there and they are getting flogged for $54000, plus the promise of 'performance bonuses' which to me means never call in sick, never not answer your phone, come into the office and do free work for us, always do additional duties or no bonus. Disgrace.
It would be around this time - you know, being in the company for a little while now that the shiny new jet syndrome has worn off and the realisation that it is a shit deal would be well and truly setting in.
Reminds me of junior instructors all willing to work for free.
Has always happened, will always happen.
Stop selling yourselves out.
Don't for a second think that just because you have been there a while now that management won't hire over the top of you again.
But I guess you knew all that when you signed on.
Excuse me while I throw up your EBA
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It will be interesting to see what spin HR puts on the EBA 4/7 ths deal with respect to the poor response for positions in VA in the beginning from the VB guys.
I realise that this was part industrial in a way due to the poor conditions on offer. Under the conditions set out in the EBA does it actually state positions taken or positions offered to meet the 4/7 ths minimum requirement?Unfortunately in this day and age management are too often taking the DEC option with no thought to the career aspirations of the incumbent employees. Although if you sign a crap contract what can you expect.
I realise that this was part industrial in a way due to the poor conditions on offer. Under the conditions set out in the EBA does it actually state positions taken or positions offered to meet the 4/7 ths minimum requirement?Unfortunately in this day and age management are too often taking the DEC option with no thought to the career aspirations of the incumbent employees. Although if you sign a crap contract what can you expect.
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Equatorial, you are a tool.
Jump on here and bag guys for trying to get ahead in there career`s.
You can get on here and sling shit at them, but do you have an alternative? Sit in the never ending Qantas recruitment process? If they went to Jetstar you would be whinging about them doing that because they are taking jobs off Qantas. Suppose they could always stay in G.A and be flogged by their boss, work in the office for free, etc.
Do you think they made up the name for their position, or just maybe it was devised by the company?
How is that title any more important than I don`t know, say a Second Officer? Or are you jealous they have F/O in their title and you don`t?
These guys with 777 endo`s will be sitting pretty in about 18-24 months when the next world wide pilot shortage hits. And you will then be wondering how you got left behind!
Jump on here and bag guys for trying to get ahead in there career`s.
You can get on here and sling shit at them, but do you have an alternative? Sit in the never ending Qantas recruitment process? If they went to Jetstar you would be whinging about them doing that because they are taking jobs off Qantas. Suppose they could always stay in G.A and be flogged by their boss, work in the office for free, etc.
Do you think they made up the name for their position, or just maybe it was devised by the company?
How is that title any more important than I don`t know, say a Second Officer? Or are you jealous they have F/O in their title and you don`t?
These guys with 777 endo`s will be sitting pretty in about 18-24 months when the next world wide pilot shortage hits. And you will then be wondering how you got left behind!
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Nunc est bibendum
These guys with 777 endo`s will be sitting pretty in about 18-24 months when the next world wide pilot shortage hits. And you will then be wondering how you got left behind!
I heard a saying the other day that was in the context of marriage and divorce but seems to apply equally well to this situation. The grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence, the grass is greener where you water it. It seems too few people are prepared to water the Aussie grass these days.
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Call me what you like metrosmoker, just telling it how a lot of people see it. How many people took one look at the conditions on offer and told them to no thanks?
Obviously you have been sold on the story that the 'sacrifice' you have made will pay off in the long run. I hope it does. But why is it always a race to the bottom for conditions?
Ah yes, the shiny jet syndrome and companies will always play on the fact that pilots want to fly the newest and biggest.
I'd love to fly a brand new state of the art aircraft but not by selling myself out. Don't assume you know what I would think of other companies such as Qantas, Jetstar etc all companies have their pros and cons but the conditions at VOz are ordinary. Come on you must admit that you would not be happy with what you are on? If it is true that some cabin crew get paid more than crz f/o's then how many jokes are made by them on your conditions behind your back?
As Keg has said the grass isn't always greener, so if in say 2 yrs you head overseas I hope your quality of life is comparable to this land of ours and the sacrifice has been worth it
Obviously you have been sold on the story that the 'sacrifice' you have made will pay off in the long run. I hope it does. But why is it always a race to the bottom for conditions?
Ah yes, the shiny jet syndrome and companies will always play on the fact that pilots want to fly the newest and biggest.
I'd love to fly a brand new state of the art aircraft but not by selling myself out. Don't assume you know what I would think of other companies such as Qantas, Jetstar etc all companies have their pros and cons but the conditions at VOz are ordinary. Come on you must admit that you would not be happy with what you are on? If it is true that some cabin crew get paid more than crz f/o's then how many jokes are made by them on your conditions behind your back?
As Keg has said the grass isn't always greener, so if in say 2 yrs you head overseas I hope your quality of life is comparable to this land of ours and the sacrifice has been worth it
Nunc est bibendum
Sushi eater, out of all the 'usual suspects' of QF drivers I'm the only one to have posted thus far and in response to a Virgin driver's view that VOz is a stepping stone to o/s 777 slots!!
Still, feel free to shoot the messenger if it makes you happy.
Still, feel free to shoot the messenger if it makes you happy.
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If it is true that some cabin crew get paid more than crz f/o's then how many jokes are made by them on your conditions behind your back?
I dont see how they can pay their cabin supervisors more than a pilot, regardless of his / her rank, considering the time / money / sacrafice / qualification / commitment a pilot must endure to even reach the status of CRZ FO.
Fukn disgusting, i will never fly Voz coz u are scam, let alone work for u, uve pissed me off!
FU
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I'm sorry Howard Hughs, but sitting reading these posts about what may or may not happen in V Australia, and what the management may or may not do, really does read like a bunch of Qantas pilots trying to one up each other. What hapens happens, there is nothing that any of you all can do about it. VA does have a pool of very experienced Direct Entry Captains who have already gone through the selection process and are waiting for start dates in 2010/2011 for aircraft 4 and 5. That is a fact.
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What hapens happens, there is nothing that any of you all can do about it.
I don't work for Qantas or Virgin but if you roll over like a puppy then you are bound to get kicked in the guts when you finally grow a pair.
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Sounds like what the VB guys did when it started up if memory serves me. Didn't they undermine the conditions as they existed at the time. Pot calling the kettle black I'm afraid. Mate, I grew a pair of big ones 20 years ago.
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Back in 2000 when Virgin Blue commenced operations, how much were QF/AN pilots getting paid?
Has the rate of pay gone backwards for QF pilots? (I know it did for AN pilots, but that is another topic) I doubt it.
A startup airline comes along and offers salaries & conditions below those established airlines, the prospective employees either accept or reject whats on offer.
Many pilots who started at Virgin Blue / Impulse in the early days, now have very rewarding flying careers around the world with some of the world's blue chip airlines.
Most of the CFO's at V Australia are just starting out on thier airline careers, and most of the Captains at V Australia have come back to unwind, having spent enough time and collected enough money overseas to allow them the Australian lifestyle. These Captains share their knowlege with thier junior members on the flightdeck which will be invaluble to them in the future.
Cheers
Has the rate of pay gone backwards for QF pilots? (I know it did for AN pilots, but that is another topic) I doubt it.
A startup airline comes along and offers salaries & conditions below those established airlines, the prospective employees either accept or reject whats on offer.
Many pilots who started at Virgin Blue / Impulse in the early days, now have very rewarding flying careers around the world with some of the world's blue chip airlines.
Most of the CFO's at V Australia are just starting out on thier airline careers, and most of the Captains at V Australia have come back to unwind, having spent enough time and collected enough money overseas to allow them the Australian lifestyle. These Captains share their knowlege with thier junior members on the flightdeck which will be invaluble to them in the future.
Cheers
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VAustralia should be disgusted with themselves. Seriously is this done in any other airline / country in the world? Since when do these superficial tarts earn more than a pilot for serving coffee??
You obviously work for a company which has no EEO training and as the husband of a LONG serving CSM, it is no wonder that they call the tech crew the "children" when they head upfront to serve you meals, drinks and all of your petty requests.
You obviously work for a company which has no EEO training and as the husband of a LONG serving CSM, it is no wonder that they call the tech crew the "children" when they head upfront to serve you meals, drinks and all of your petty requests.
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What a joke. $54000 a year, and less than the flight attendants. They ought to be ashamed of themselves, and going into the office to do extra work.
Prostituting themselves. Just a big G.A outfit.
Race to the bottom, hopefully we're at it!
Prostituting themselves. Just a big G.A outfit.
Race to the bottom, hopefully we're at it!
Many pilots who started at Virgin Blue / Impulse in the early days, now have very rewarding flying careers around the world with some of the world's blue chip airlines.
So these guys are poor as airline pilots in Australia and go to crap outfits like EK to make ends meet?
7378FE your post should be depressing and a sad wake-up for Australian airline pilots.
Dumb profession now with a blue collar mentality.
