I'm sorry Howard Hughs, but sitting reading these posts about what may or may not happen in V Australia, and what the management may or may not do, really does read like a bunch of Qantas pilots trying to one up each other. What hapens happens, there is nothing that any of you all can do about it. VA does have a pool of very experienced Direct Entry Captains who have already gone through the selection process and are waiting for start dates in 2010/2011 for aircraft 4 and 5. That is a fact.