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Old 31st Dec 2009, 03:30
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Crz Fos on $110K all up at VA - hmmmm don't think so even including super and allowances and a few K of bonuses. Unless of course he/she is getting ex gratia payments as a management stooge!
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can anyone please tell me what the salary is for a sfo based on july 2010 in the proposed eba.

yours in vitality!
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 04:42
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Why do low cost pilots in Australia count compulsory superannuation contributions as part of their package? Strange. I've never noted a QF pilot doing similar.

And 54K a year is working class conditions. If that's what you think the profession is worth, I'm glad you weren't around when I started.
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 05:35
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Why do low cost pilots in Australia count compulsory superannuation contributions as part of their package? Strange. I've never noted a QF pilot doing similar
I think it's because VA pay 12% Super...compulsory superannuation is only 9%....Therefore it's above standard.....
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 05:38
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By way of comparison, QF S/Os upon checking out are on circa $75K. O/T, allowances and super are on top of that. O/T depending on a/c type is going to be about $10K.

Within 18 months that increases to $95K (A330) to $105K (A380). O/T on the big bus and the 744 are going to add about 8-20% on top of those figures.

My first group certificate after being for just over 12 months as a S/O in 1995/96 was $68K. Take out the o/t and I think the pay 15 years ago for a S/O was probably still a bit more than it is now for VA S/Os. I no longer have copies of what the actual pay rate was back then but just goes to show how far the race to the bottom has progressed.
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 06:51
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Krusty, the difference between QF and VA is that QF have the opportunity to promote the back seater into an aircraft type where they'll be doing lots of sectors with the commensurate experience and currency gain- probably 20-30 landings a month. That's a very different thing to promoting into an aircraft where you'll be lucky to get 30 landings a year.
QF used to have vertical fleet promotion, as an example, CX only have that option (for their CADETS as well as DESO). One would think landing an aircraft was like neuro-surgery.
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 12:33
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So what is the rating a CRZ F/O gets?
Command or Co-Pilot?
Very Quiet so far!
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'I think it's because VA pay 12% Super...compulsory superannuation is only 9%....Therefore it's above standard.....'

Qantas pay up to 27% depending on division and age.[from latest div6 blurb]
Most div2 are about 17%, most div3 about 13% and latest div6 on 10%.
[wish I hadn't changed from div1!]

They don't pay this because they are good blokes, we need to fight for our conditions.

Now, back to the shit pay thread.....
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Old 31st Dec 2009, 21:29
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Why do low cost pilots in Australia count compulsory superannuation contributions as part of their package? Strange. I've never noted a QF pilot doing similar
I think it's because VA pay 12% Super...compulsory superannuation is only 9%....Therefore it's above standard.....
Pretty standard practice these days by companies desperate to look like they're paying more than they are AND by employees desperate to justify the crap they're accepting in place of a decent wage.

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Old 1st Jan 2010, 00:02
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Crz FOs' I've been told by a mate who is one, are on around $110K all up. Has an easy roster and commutes. He has around 9000 hrs, mostly turbine for those wondering.
Your mate is feeding you absolute crap, he / she obviously insecure about his / her pay. I have mates in V oz and have seen the contract, and ull find that if u halve the amount stated above, u are closer to the mark.
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Old 1st Jan 2010, 04:52
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Unless he's an SFO, he's feeding you a porkie pie...54k, zero add-ons...

Several mates are QF S/O's, both 744 and A380...WELL north of 150k, and PLENTY of time to surf the northern beaches.
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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 13:07
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He really had no answer and guess what would've happened if morons like you and everyone else had've said the same thing?
They'd have hired even more South Africans and a bunch of Jet Airways Indians who'd happily take up the offer to get away from their own countries to someplace nice with a social welfare system waiting to be abused.
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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 21:24
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Would be great to hear from someone who actually flies for Voz to clarify all this stuff for us, anyone out there?
Well, chances are high that they will get eaten alive it seems.
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Old 2nd Jan 2010, 22:21
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"Crz FOs' I've been told by a mate who is one, are on around $110K all up. Has an easy roster and commutes. He has around 9000 hrs, mostly turbine for those wondering.

Anyway, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story I say."

YES lets NOT let those nasty facts get in the way!
Never a truer word has been spoken and perhaps the soap box that you are standing on is not quite as sturdy as you think!

V Australia jobs, payscales and entry requirements.

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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 01:00
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It seems those pay scales are from the early days of VA. In the original contract the only scope for increases was at the "Company's pleasure", from what I hear they have not changed. Hopefully the upcoming EBA will produce something better, but if the quoted "$110K up" for CFO's (which incidently the original poster appears to have deleted) is actually what the Negotiators are aiming for, well a 100% increase over the current amount suggests a level of optimism somewhat removed from reality!

The Captain's salary seems OK, for those returning home to a "retirement job", but the F/O base of $114K has no "Top" proviso. Jes#s H Chr!st! I earned more than that last year as a Turboprop driver! Has there been any movement from the RHS to the LHS? From what I have heard, none. Considering the provisions of the VB EBA, and VA's track record of only employing DEC's, What the hell are you guys thinking?

I reckon the "negotiators" have their work cut out for them. Best of luck Boys and Girls.
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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 01:07
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The EBA cant be too far away.

Are you getting on the next recruitment wave KRUSTY?
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Old 3rd Jan 2010, 02:04
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You never know Mr. Hat.

But I think it's safe to say a VA CFO position is not on my shopping list.
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Lordy, if that link is right, cabin crew (not supervisors) are being paid more to work on the EMB170.

The cabin crew are not 'overpaid' for the hours and lifestyle they lead, so that is seriously disturbing.

Even as a Railway Station Officer (selling train tickets) for Queensland Rail, you would earn more. (QR advertised for Part Time Train Guards - they just blow a whistle and ding the bell - make the odd PA and rarely even see the public - not security work - 4 days a week, $58,000 plus good super and allowances)

(Both jobs of which require minimal training, which you are paid for - has the aviation world gone mad?!?!).

And spare the BS about love of the job, and how its a wonderful company - thats a joke!
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A somewhat more accurate source of details which were Cut n Paste from a company email sent on the 20 Feb 2009.

So unless VAustralia have become little more generous I would suggest that these are the figures you are signing up for today.



THE ROLE OF CRUISE RELIEF FIRST OFFICER
CRFO SALARY
Band 1 – with CPL only $47,775 base salary
Band 2 – with ATPL $53,500 base salary
Superannuation 12 % on top of your base salary
Virgin Blue Group Company Profit Share Plan Potential to earn up to an additional 3% on base salary
Individual Incentive plan Potential to earn up to an additional 5% on base salary
Band 1 – with CPL Training Salary $38, 220 base training salary not including superannuation
Band 2 – with ATPL Training Salary $42, 800 base training salary not including superannuation
Training Salary
A training wage will be paid at 80% of your base salary from day 1 of your training until the last day of your initial training school
period.
Your salary will be reviewed at least annually, along with your progress and development needs.
Incentive Plans
The company profit share plan and the individual incentive plan are contingent on achievement of certain criteria concerning both
personal and company performance and may be changed at V Australia’s discretion. Further information about these two
incentive/profit plans will be provided to you after you commence employment.



THE ROLE OF FIRST OFFICER
FIRST OFFICER SALARY
Base Salary $114,000 base salary
Superannuation 12 % on top of your base salary
Virgin Blue Group Company Profit Share Plan Potential to earn up to an additional 3% on base salary
Individual Incentive plan Potential to earn up to an additional 5% on base salary
Incentive Plans
The company profit share plan and the individual incentive plan are contingent on achievement of certain criteria concerning both
personal and company performance and may be changed at V Australia’s discretion. Further information about these two
incentive/profit plans will be provided to you after you commence employment.



THE ROLE OF CAPTAIN
CAPTAIN SALARY
Base Salary $175,000 base salary
Superannuation 12 % on top of your base salary
Virgin Blue Group Company Profit Share Plan Potential to earn up to an additional 3% on base salary
Individual Incentive plan Potential to earn up to an additional 5% on base salary
Incentive Plans
The company profit share plan and the individual incentive plan are contingent on achievement of certain criteria concerning both
personal and company performance and may be changed at V Australia’s discretion. Further information about these two

incentive/profit plans will be provided to you after you commence employment.
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An absolute disgrace.

Aviation in Australia is buggered.
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