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Old 29th Dec 2009, 08:21
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It seems to me that this V Australia/VB thread is sounding remarkedly like a bunch of winging Qantas pilots
Actually, this thread sounds like a bunch of whinging children. Bad spelling, bad syntax, bad grammar, bad (or non-existent) punctuation - maybe VOz pay for exactly what they get with their low salaries. Are Aussie pilots really that poorly-educated?

VA does have a pool of very experienced Direct Entry Captains who have already gone through the selection process and are waiting for start dates in 2010/2011 for aircraft 4 and 5. That is a fact.
They went to the bottom of the experience barrel during the interview stage last year and were STILL rejected by many of the applicants for DEC positions after the offer came out. That is a fact.

as the husband of a LONG serving CSM, it is no wonder that they call the tech crew the "children" when they head upfront to serve you meals, drinks and all of your petty requests.
Sounds like you've been well-trained. Aside from you, who cares what the help think?

These guys with 777 endo`s will be sitting pretty in about 18-24 months
What sort of valuable experience will a VOz Second Officer have after a year or two in the back seat which will make him marketable overseas? What endorsement does an SO hold at VOz?
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Old 29th Dec 2009, 08:22
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And sadly these pilots race to airlines overseas to undermine their colleagues as well.

Use an Australian airline with substandard pay to enhance their career prospects, only to undermine others overseas. Sadly, the rot has now started with the international cadet scheme.

I hear that Cathay will consider the V OZ cruise F/O for the scheme!!!!!
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Old 29th Dec 2009, 08:51
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YoDawg,
Your perception of inexperience is vastly different to mine. I know of two applicants that were interviewed last year for DEC positions. Both had more than 15,000 hours total time,in excess of 10,000 hours wide body international command experience with very reputable overseas airlines. Both were TRE/IRE's, ( primarily why they were interviewed) and both accepted the terms and condition. They are awaiting further notification from VA recruitment.
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Old 29th Dec 2009, 09:04
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Could it be that the pilots you know were, in fact, interviewed this year (2009)? That might make sense to me.

But if they were interviewed at the end of 2008 like most of the DECs, then it does not add up as V also offered positions to pilots interviewed late 2008 and who held substantially lower qualifications than what you mention. Some took them up on it but many did not.

All the pilots who were offered positions late last year have already accepted them, to my knowledge. The instructors and check captains were interviewed quite a lot earlier than that and were already employed by the end of last year when the recruiting team went out on the job.
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Old 29th Dec 2009, 09:22
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Interviewed October 2008 for aircraft 4 and 5. Still in the hold pool for said aircraft. Delayed due to deferred deliveries. Expecting start dates in 2010.
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Old 29th Dec 2009, 09:48
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Well there you go then. Odd that they were put on the hold list when employment start dates were offered to pilots with the bare minimum for a LINE DEC position, many of whom subsequently rejected the offer.
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Old 29th Dec 2009, 10:02
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Maybe they will get offered a start, and maybe they won't. They have had encouraging correspondance from VA recruitment people over the past year however. So as I said, there are experienced people in their pool ready to take up the offer.
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Old 30th Dec 2009, 01:32
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question...

If Crz Fo's are on 54k. what are the req'ts for their postn? does the wage fit the lower req'ts?

what are the other crew wages like with VA..

Capt?
FO?

From what I last saw VB Ejet crew are on : Capt 143K FO 78-93K
and B73 crew are on : Capt 179K FO 98-116K

Firstly, are these figures correct, if they are, how do they compare?

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Old 30th Dec 2009, 01:46
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VB get paid for working on days off, have overtime and have higher overnight allowances.

Voz all you get is the salary and that is it.
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Old 30th Dec 2009, 02:41
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VB Salary today

737 Capt $179,408
737 FO $98,675/107,645/116,675 (Levels 1/2/3)
EMB Capt $143,527
EMB FO $78,940/86,116/93,292 (Levels 1/2/3)

VB Salary 01/07/10

737 Capt $184,791 -3% rise or 194,030 if CPI is up to 5%

Same increases applicable to other ranks.

Working on day off 737 Capt Minimum of $1060/Day (with CPI increases)
Overtime 737 Capt over 71 hours in 28 days at approx $200/Hr
Meal Allowances about $120 day
Loss of Licence up to $2400
Training Capt +10%
Check Captain +16%

Last year with Salary/TC Allowance/Overtime/Working day off
(and working hard) a Brisbane based Training Captain could/DID make $250K+

Contented - I'm a pilot -probably never
Happy - Yep
Considering VAustralia not a chance
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Old 30th Dec 2009, 03:02
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Equitorial.
Don`t work for Voz. It shits me when gooses like you jump on here and bag guys trying to get ahead.
Never said the deal was good, but niether is sitting in a piston in the middle of nowhere living below the poverty line.
And last but by no means least, think about where you were just a few years ago, up north. Bit hypocritical talking about the `race to the bottom`, remeber where you came from, I do!

Keg,
The industry is about to come full circle. Almost 700 787`s have been sold and going to hit the tarmac`s around the world. A 777 endo is not a bad ticket to have.
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Old 30th Dec 2009, 03:11
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Yes metro but it's a shame that you won't be able to live in Australia and fly one for decent coin.
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Old 30th Dec 2009, 03:47
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Never said the deal was good, but niether is sitting in a piston in the middle of nowhere living below the poverty line
54k a year living in Sydney would put you below said line.
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Never said the deal was good, but niether is sitting in a piston in the middle of nowhere living below the poverty line
54k a year living in Sydney would put you below said line.
Hit the nail on the head there bagchucka
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Old 30th Dec 2009, 05:23
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If you think 54K is below the poverty line you're mad - it maybe below the average wage but it's no where near the poverty line!

54K (plus allowances) to fly a brand new jet with hopes of career prospects in a large airline group vs 35K flying a 30 year old Cessna around the traps with little hope of progession in some backward run GA outfit - gee it's a tough choice....

Now those of you who are QF skippers can slam me all you want but times have changed -it's easy for you to say it's a bad deal sitting up front of your shiney jet earning $200K+ a year....

Now where do I apply....
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Old 30th Dec 2009, 06:26
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career prospects
From friends:

VOZ have made no promises nor provided any avenue for promotion or a career. There has been lots of huff n puff about getting something in writing but it hasnt happened.

Most will sit in their prospective seats for many more years unless expansion ramps up.

Nowhere does it say that VOZ cant hire more DEC's if there isnt enough interested VB pilots.

Hell, even VB took DEC's very recently on the EMB.

For the record, a/c 4 has already arrived.

Good luck.
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Old 30th Dec 2009, 06:37
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Here is where QF pilots attian to be, able to sit on thier wallet so as to see over the panel

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Old 30th Dec 2009, 06:47
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Now those of you who are QF skippers can slam me all you want but times have changed -it's easy for you to say it's a bad deal sitting up front of your shiny jet earning $200K+ a year....
And how do you think they got to into that position?


Taking your logic, what would YOU accept for say a for a 777 command? By the sound of it anything north of 54K (plus allowances) would be acceptable, say 65K, 85K, 100K?

In case you haven't noticed, LCC's are GA with jets as far as pilots are concerned (pay for endorsement, undercutting each other to get hours / ratings / always looking for the next operator to provide you with something more valuable in the logbook).

If all those QF skippers had followed your logic then the bar would be significantly lower than the 200K+ you claim.
But you obviously believe 200K+ is reasonable, because you desire it
Now where do I apply....
Your attitude ensures this is a figure you will never achieve, because as you attempt to undercut others to "get ahead", they will seek to do the same to you as the race to the bottom continues.
Management are sitting back reading your posts laughing into their best French champagne as they order another dozen case's with the bonuses you'll provide.

By the way 54K for a single is not the poverty line living in a capital city renting with a basic existance. Want to own property within 1.5 hour of the city or have children, forget it.
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Old 30th Dec 2009, 06:48
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The VA EBA is in work NOW.
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Old 30th Dec 2009, 06:50
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Trimmed Flaps,

You are spot on with your statement. VA is a separate entity and can and will do what it thinks best for their airline. The last thing they want is a Qantas type of scope system.
Didn't know aircraft 4 was here. Must be aircraft 5 that the Captains in the pool are waiting for
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