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Thats less than the cost of the 30 scab strikebreakers that resumedomaine/newport aviation have already recruited in vic & nsw. Is it really worth the cost of the bad publicity for the Rat?
No... the real cost to QF is the other unions lining up behind the ALAEA waiting to see if they breech the protective 3% membrane and then follow through with the wash.
For years the other unions that don't have the position of power of actually being able to ground the fleet if required have looked to the ALAEA to set the standard and have been left disappointed. The current QE management have now inflamed the troops to the point that they have had enough.
That is the real danger to QF.
Not the LAMES but their own management team.
No... the real cost to QF is the other unions lining up behind the ALAEA waiting to see if they breech the protective 3% membrane and then follow through with the wash.
For years the other unions that don't have the position of power of actually being able to ground the fleet if required have looked to the ALAEA to set the standard and have been left disappointed. The current QE management have now inflamed the troops to the point that they have had enough.
That is the real danger to QF.
Not the LAMES but their own management team.
Gentlefolk, as an ATC and amateur spanner weilder I have nothing but admiration for your skill and professionalism.
I have recently returned to the coal face after a short stint as an ATC supervisor and my experiences over the last year raise a question.
Do your supervisors have the ability to over rule you on these maintanance logs?
ATC supervisors can overrule certain faults and give an ATC a "legal instruction" to continue with a procedure even when a fault/flaw has been identified.
It is their call and they carry the responsibility but they know that the controllers will "make it work".
Can they do this to you guys?
I wish you every success in your negotiations, we will be negotiating a new EBA over the next year and believe me we are watching closely.
I don't know what support we can offer other than moral.
AA
I have recently returned to the coal face after a short stint as an ATC supervisor and my experiences over the last year raise a question.
Do your supervisors have the ability to over rule you on these maintanance logs?
ATC supervisors can overrule certain faults and give an ATC a "legal instruction" to continue with a procedure even when a fault/flaw has been identified.
It is their call and they carry the responsibility but they know that the controllers will "make it work".
Can they do this to you guys?
I wish you every success in your negotiations, we will be negotiating a new EBA over the next year and believe me we are watching closely.
I don't know what support we can offer other than moral.
AA
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Qantas warned on plan to scrap leave 
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | December 31, 2007
QANTAS faces a legal threat to its plan to minimise the impact of strike action on thousands of returning holiday-makers.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...013404,00.html
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | December 31, 2007
QANTAS faces a legal threat to its plan to minimise the impact of strike action on thousands of returning holiday-makers.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...013404,00.html
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I liked this bit from The Australian the best:
Qantas has told workers it had no choice but to cancel the leave because it could not risk running short-staffed. It described the industrial action as being timed to coincide with the holiday period "to cause maximum inconvenience to our customers".
Why would management worry about running "short staffed" now! They appear to have made it into an art form everywhere else in Qantas!
Qantas has told workers it had no choice but to cancel the leave because it could not risk running short-staffed. It described the industrial action as being timed to coincide with the holiday period "to cause maximum inconvenience to our customers".
Why would management worry about running "short staffed" now! They appear to have made it into an art form everywhere else in Qantas!
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Hats off to the ex QF lames who have politely declined the briefly lucrative offer to come back to the spanner in order to shaft their mates.
Just a thought: what about taking the call, telling them "Yep, I'd love to come back to work there and be reviled by my peers", only to never turn up. Be part of their contingency plan that falls through when they realise they've counted chickens they plain don't have?
Just a thought: what about taking the call, telling them "Yep, I'd love to come back to work there and be reviled by my peers", only to never turn up. Be part of their contingency plan that falls through when they realise they've counted chickens they plain don't have?
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I know very little about lames and even less about industrial relations but do understand PR spin and basic psychology.
I think a work to rules campaign can be spun to look - to the general public and politicians - pretty much the same as a strike. (I know it is totally different in real terms and at law), I refer only to the perception that could be spun out of it. I can see the media stories of the needy and unfortunate traveling public grossly disadvantaged by the selfish, money grabbing lames. Damaging our national icon's reputation worldwide.
Might this not lead to a rationale for the movement of more and more engineering off shore?
You might be playing right into their hands.
Do I have a better idea? No. More and more labour is becoming a world market. This fact will touch more and more of our lives.
I think a work to rules campaign can be spun to look - to the general public and politicians - pretty much the same as a strike. (I know it is totally different in real terms and at law), I refer only to the perception that could be spun out of it. I can see the media stories of the needy and unfortunate traveling public grossly disadvantaged by the selfish, money grabbing lames. Damaging our national icon's reputation worldwide.
Might this not lead to a rationale for the movement of more and more engineering off shore?
You might be playing right into their hands.
Do I have a better idea? No. More and more labour is becoming a world market. This fact will touch more and more of our lives.
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There are rules and there are rules.
Oz A/C don't fly unless they are safe to do so... as far as LAME’s we are concerned.
There are, however, those silly OH&S and local rules that are implemented so that managers can pocket big bonuses at the end of the year.
These 2nd lot of half assed, slapstick, band-aid rules are only in place to hang the workers when things go bad and keep management away from blame. eg. we are given on-line fatigue management courses that we have to do at 3 AM (whilst fatigued and should be resting) and once done, will exonerate management from blame when errors happen because we have not rested or noticed the onset of fatigue to ourselves or workmates, caused by company imposed shifts or compulsory overtime. You get my drift.....
We only intend to enforce some of their Company Imposed Rules, just to show them they do not work. We are sick of telling them they do not work and will not without backup from the Co.
Thirdly, if the rest of Australia can afford a 4.5 to 6 percent pay rise we too are deserving and believe we are entitled to some of the profit we have generated.
Oz A/C don't fly unless they are safe to do so... as far as LAME’s we are concerned.
There are, however, those silly OH&S and local rules that are implemented so that managers can pocket big bonuses at the end of the year.
These 2nd lot of half assed, slapstick, band-aid rules are only in place to hang the workers when things go bad and keep management away from blame. eg. we are given on-line fatigue management courses that we have to do at 3 AM (whilst fatigued and should be resting) and once done, will exonerate management from blame when errors happen because we have not rested or noticed the onset of fatigue to ourselves or workmates, caused by company imposed shifts or compulsory overtime. You get my drift.....
We only intend to enforce some of their Company Imposed Rules, just to show them they do not work. We are sick of telling them they do not work and will not without backup from the Co.
Thirdly, if the rest of Australia can afford a 4.5 to 6 percent pay rise we too are deserving and believe we are entitled to some of the profit we have generated.
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Hey telephonenumber, get off the line, unless you understand it is NOT a strike, it is Protected Industrial Action and it could have started much earlier except it has been decided to delay it as to not inflame the situation.
As for the other stuff, playing into their hands will sometimes occur if the public listen to the 'current affairs' media that like to beat things up to sensationalise an issue, to sell more papers.
Yes, labour may well be worldwide but aircraft maintenance carries a particular price, a price that Qantas do not want to pay, blame SARS, Terrorism, Fuel Prices and the world market, except don't blame the fact that Qantas will continue to reduce conditions in exchange for record annual Profits.
1 Billion last year, 1.4 Billion this year!!
As for the other stuff, playing into their hands will sometimes occur if the public listen to the 'current affairs' media that like to beat things up to sensationalise an issue, to sell more papers.
Yes, labour may well be worldwide but aircraft maintenance carries a particular price, a price that Qantas do not want to pay, blame SARS, Terrorism, Fuel Prices and the world market, except don't blame the fact that Qantas will continue to reduce conditions in exchange for record annual Profits.
1 Billion last year, 1.4 Billion this year!!
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Understand that it is NOT a strike
I do understand that it it NOT a strike. From what I read above it's a work to rules campaign. My point, and hey I am on your side, is that the qf PR folk may well make it LOOK like a strike. Public and political sentiment can often be turned against PERCEIVED strikers. Yes, I know it is NOT a strike. Trust me, I hate garbage, tabloid "journalism" more than you but it's a fact of the real PR world.
Also I am not suggesting that overseas lames can "fix a broken plane in Syd" but do worry that there are other regular maintenance jobs that said lame might be able to do. You would know the answer to this, I don't.
But sorry, no more unwanted comments, my aim was not to be flamed but to contribute.
Also I am not suggesting that overseas lames can "fix a broken plane in Syd" but do worry that there are other regular maintenance jobs that said lame might be able to do. You would know the answer to this, I don't.
But sorry, no more unwanted comments, my aim was not to be flamed but to contribute.
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No worries telephonenumber, there are enough good people here that can set the public straight, especially if the media makes the reason's up!
Peace and no stress.
The PR spin will be corrected by the team, the ALAEA and the LAME's who are sick and tired of a useless Qantas company.
Peace and no stress.
The PR spin will be corrected by the team, the ALAEA and the LAME's who are sick and tired of a useless Qantas company.