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Mendaero,
am wholly in support of the cause but please........ think about the operating crew who would also then get stuck with an unplanned overnight.
Rule 2: always keep building the support so that others are also batting for you!
(certainly gotta break this 3% mentality)
am wholly in support of the cause but please........ think about the operating crew who would also then get stuck with an unplanned overnight.
Rule 2: always keep building the support so that others are also batting for you!
(certainly gotta break this 3% mentality)
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Unfortunately due to the lack of accom in Syd (especially weekends) special disp would probably be allowed to dispatch aircraft after 2300hrs if stop work meetings happened at 1900. Probably the best option would be a stop work close to 2100hrs. The possible effect being any aircraft still on the ground would be grounded as SIT staff knock off at 0100, and I doubt ATC would let anything leave at that time of night. However I am sure that there will be some scab labor around to dept things in any case (So long as the aircraft is certified!!!!!!!! and ready to go).
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Stop work meetings
As i understand it the stop work meetings will be spur of the moment things in reaction of company tactics.But if we could plan them first flight of the day would get domestic but international probably would be best around lunch time (at my port anyway).Cant wait to get started!!!
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am wholly in support of the cause but please........ think about the operating crew who would also then get stuck with an unplanned overnight.
Rule 2: always keep building the support so that others are also batting for you!
(certainly gotta break this 3% mentality)
Rule 2: always keep building the support so that others are also batting for you!
(certainly gotta break this 3% mentality)
The best time to have a stop work meeting in SYD would be 4 hours before curfew, then they all have to overnight
But what is better for you crew? a delay (where you might run out of hours) or an overnight which you will know about 4 hours before curfew?
Perhaps some flight and cabin crew might be able to voice some ideas on stop work meetings, defect reporting etc
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Unfortunately there will be disruptions to lots of people,part of getting at the company means that other employees will be inconvenienced aswell.But im sure people will see the big picture and be supportive of us.I know we definately would be supportive if it was the other way around.Long haul pilots EBA8 is in negotiation.
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That's OK - I'm sure Mrs Airtags (to be) will forgive you and still arrange a blizzardly cold beer or two when next you pax.....as for me I'm in the doghouse anyway with my roster so what's another night!
bat on ...and for your negotiation team remember if you're going to have a dog at the door, make it a big one that can bite as well as bark!
bat on ...and for your negotiation team remember if you're going to have a dog at the door, make it a big one that can bite as well as bark!
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When is the Long Haul pilots EBA 8 due?
Surely the company won't allow the LAMEs PIA to drag on into the start of the pilots EBA negotiations....................If the feeling being shown by a majority of pilots to alot of engineers about their current stance is anything to go by,then the management will really have some battle on their hands to contain the 3% line.
Surely the company won't allow the LAMEs PIA to drag on into the start of the pilots EBA negotiations....................If the feeling being shown by a majority of pilots to alot of engineers about their current stance is anything to go by,then the management will really have some battle on their hands to contain the 3% line.
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from reading the JQ eba blog maybe the alaea should give the j* pilots union a call, support each other and the swell will grow until a deafening roar.
J* A330,s will be affetced by this as well,
for the boys scratching for the last o/t before game on,just remember when the whistle blows its over the top for all
J* A330,s will be affetced by this as well,
for the boys scratching for the last o/t before game on,just remember when the whistle blows its over the top for all
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Originally Posted by MENDAERO
The best time to have a stop work meeting in SYD would be 4 hours before curfew, then they all have to overnight
In seriousness though, tech crew I've spoken to about it are very supportive of the LAME position. EBA8 for the pilots is underway. Geoff unfortunately is going to have to pay the going rate for pilots, which are becoming increasingly hard to find.
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You'll have the full support of Longhaul cabin crew regardless of any disruptions that may affect us.
The majority of us can't wait to see you guys give dickson and his self serving cronies a bloody nose.
I just hope that you guys hit him HARD.
The majority of us can't wait to see you guys give dickson and his self serving cronies a bloody nose.
I just hope that you guys hit him HARD.
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Qantas, union tight-lipped on dispute meeting
Posted 2 hours 6 minutes ago
Representatives from Qantas and the union representing aircraft engineers have met in Sydney to discuss a dispute over an enterprise agreement.
The engineers are planning to start industrial action on Wednesday unless the disagreement is resolved.
Neither Qantas nor the union are commenting on the meeting's outcomes.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin
Posted 2 hours 6 minutes ago
Representatives from Qantas and the union representing aircraft engineers have met in Sydney to discuss a dispute over an enterprise agreement.
The engineers are planning to start industrial action on Wednesday unless the disagreement is resolved.
Neither Qantas nor the union are commenting on the meeting's outcomes.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin
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Unfortunately for geoff and his boys there is a pilot shortage and engineer shortage.But he will be to arrogant to acknowledge that.We took that wage freeze a couple of years ago(as did the pilots).Massive profits are here now its time to pay the price.Wheter it be share price dropping, or in costly delays.LETS MAKE THEM HURT!!!!! we will get what we want.
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I didn't think the delays could get any worse than they already are through lack of manpower! Any worse and they'd be a "cancellation"!
Anyway, when Geoff, John, and other management change their bully-boy attitude towards employees and our conditions, I might change my policy of not extending my crew hours. I might also be a little more flexible in my contactability (my current policy is zero contactability - amazing how many times my "brother" or "friend" answers the phone!) on days off to help out with his shortage. But I'm not holding my breath.
Anyway, when Geoff, John, and other management change their bully-boy attitude towards employees and our conditions, I might change my policy of not extending my crew hours. I might also be a little more flexible in my contactability (my current policy is zero contactability - amazing how many times my "brother" or "friend" answers the phone!) on days off to help out with his shortage. But I'm not holding my breath.
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Management Spoiling for a fight
I may seem to defy belief as it will be their KPI's and Bonuses on the line but from every conversation and interaction I and others have had with management recently they seem to be looking forward to a fight. I think that people high up don't have any idea of what a LAME does and truly believe we can be replaced as easy as a stroke of a pen.
Remember QE PM 3-10-25 and ensure that you never work on verbal instructions. Remember that it takes a lot of resources to gererate an EA, every time you are not in possesion of approved data you will need to obtain one. Sometimes even approved data is difficult to find and even if you ultimatly don't need an EA you still might need to request help.
If the instructions are not clear you may need to get clarification.
Sometimes it is not always easy to find parts in the IPC and when you do often the part number has been replaced or superceded not all LAMEs are fully conversant with how to get alt part numbers particularly when Qantas use those really tricky 90 numbers and it is hard to work from a BMS spec to these numbers.
You can of course put in demands for the parts (seals etc.) using the Boeing numbers but it may take some time for the purchasing dept to sort out the confusion.
All who see the challenges that LAMEs face and the way they CURRENTLY cope with these adversity should post here as not all LAME's are as knowledgeable about these things and some that are may have memory lapses that may cause them to forget some of the knowledge that makes them professionals.
Remember QE PM 3-10-25 and ensure that you never work on verbal instructions. Remember that it takes a lot of resources to gererate an EA, every time you are not in possesion of approved data you will need to obtain one. Sometimes even approved data is difficult to find and even if you ultimatly don't need an EA you still might need to request help.
If the instructions are not clear you may need to get clarification.
Sometimes it is not always easy to find parts in the IPC and when you do often the part number has been replaced or superceded not all LAMEs are fully conversant with how to get alt part numbers particularly when Qantas use those really tricky 90 numbers and it is hard to work from a BMS spec to these numbers.
You can of course put in demands for the parts (seals etc.) using the Boeing numbers but it may take some time for the purchasing dept to sort out the confusion.
All who see the challenges that LAMEs face and the way they CURRENTLY cope with these adversity should post here as not all LAME's are as knowledgeable about these things and some that are may have memory lapses that may cause them to forget some of the knowledge that makes them professionals.
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The cougar...
While I agree, I too would like to take a red hot poker or blow torch (figuratively speaking) to parts of managements anatomy, I am fairly sure that heavy handed industrial action will play into managements hands, as they control the press and would scream first blood quicker than the Indian team can rip in an alleged racial slur 
As many have said before, remain united, be very cool and stick with the "LOW KEY" overtime bans. Recalling people from higher duties etc only puts more people back on the floor, which undermines the overtime ban so I can see why this IA tactic has not been used.
We all know how management treat us when they want something, Its never open discussion quick and easy. Its death of a 1000 cuts till we relent.
It will take time but we need to maintain the rage till MH can expect nothing from us whilst we bury him and his team in their own red tape.
We all know supply chain do not have the parts we need to maintain the fleet lets prove it. Either way DC looks bad.
This will take time!!
So far on the score board a few International flights have been cancelled many have gone late , Some domestic aircraft grounded for a day or 2 and we have not started our IA.
It can only get worse for MH and DC and if we do this properly we could see then end of them both.
Remain united
FOG, FOM, FOD
The company has already won a morale victory with the ALAEA not using its full arsenal of industrial action.DC has stated that its low key stuff. Hit em hard I say and be bench marks.
As many have said before, remain united, be very cool and stick with the "LOW KEY" overtime bans. Recalling people from higher duties etc only puts more people back on the floor, which undermines the overtime ban so I can see why this IA tactic has not been used.
We all know how management treat us when they want something, Its never open discussion quick and easy. Its death of a 1000 cuts till we relent.
It will take time but we need to maintain the rage till MH can expect nothing from us whilst we bury him and his team in their own red tape.
We all know supply chain do not have the parts we need to maintain the fleet lets prove it. Either way DC looks bad.
This will take time!!
So far on the score board a few International flights have been cancelled many have gone late , Some domestic aircraft grounded for a day or 2 and we have not started our IA.
It can only get worse for MH and DC and if we do this properly we could see then end of them both.
Remain united
FOG, FOM, FOD
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EBA ???
Can Q use scabs who haven'y been LAME induction coursed? or Local area inducted? we do those things and if we don't they can't be in the area legally. It would be in violation of their own rules. The very rules that have stopped use gaining quals and raising ourselves.
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Chemical Alli,
"for the boys scratching for the last o/t before game on,just remember when the whistle blows its over the top for all"....
i just hope that all the boy's who don't, or never have, worked overtime don't just sit on their hands and do nothing over the coming weeks otherwise their contribution to this process will be very little (especially the noisy ones who have been criticising any O/Ter's over the last week). Otherwise will be leaving the industrial process to the regular overtimers who have been keeping the company in the game till now. Work to rule and keep a very keen eye open to any little defect. We will obviously need to during these times of increased workload and pressure!
"for the boys scratching for the last o/t before game on,just remember when the whistle blows its over the top for all"....
i just hope that all the boy's who don't, or never have, worked overtime don't just sit on their hands and do nothing over the coming weeks otherwise their contribution to this process will be very little (especially the noisy ones who have been criticising any O/Ter's over the last week). Otherwise will be leaving the industrial process to the regular overtimers who have been keeping the company in the game till now. Work to rule and keep a very keen eye open to any little defect. We will obviously need to during these times of increased workload and pressure!