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amos i know youre fishing but ill bite.
we collectively support your ass every day and night you strap it to that silver bird.by making sure its fully serviceable and your life and those that trust you are safe.
we have also supported you in many other ways ,and just for your info when the alaea contacted your union to join forces,they were told to bugger off.
we collectively support your ass every day and night you strap it to that silver bird.by making sure its fully serviceable and your life and those that trust you are safe.
we have also supported you in many other ways ,and just for your info when the alaea contacted your union to join forces,they were told to bugger off.
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If we are successful in getting 5%, will you use our EBA to further your next EBA claims?
I suggest, many groups are watching our EBA claim progress, that includes on this forum.
I do want to be here, because like yourself, many people are reading our posts and hopefully we can grow support for our EBA claim.
I can't comment on any particular time you required support, however may I suggest you post your issues on this forum, there are many engineers reading the pprune forum, who would support you if you ask.
I suggest, many groups are watching our EBA claim progress, that includes on this forum.
I do want to be here, because like yourself, many people are reading our posts and hopefully we can grow support for our EBA claim.
let's face it, what support have you ever given pilots?...
which is more support than you ever gave me!!
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Mr Fixit. We appreciate your criticism, but how many threads do you need to discuss your EBA tactics? I can count almost 10 that I've had to merge. That doesn't count the work other moderators have done. If the topics were significantly different, then fair enough. But a lot are simply questions which could have been answered by searching the relative topics.
I'm perplexed as to why you guys openly discuss ways of dealing with your company at a time when they will do anything to torpedo your plans. Surely you'd be better off keeping them a secret (keep your powder dry)
Surely you know your managers read these forums?
I'm sticking my neck out here as a moderator, but I actually support you in your endeavours.
If you think it's all bull****, you're welcome to go elsewhere.
TID
I'm perplexed as to why you guys openly discuss ways of dealing with your company at a time when they will do anything to torpedo your plans. Surely you'd be better off keeping them a secret (keep your powder dry)
Surely you know your managers read these forums?I'm sticking my neck out here as a moderator, but I actually support you in your endeavours.
If you think it's all bull****, you're welcome to go elsewhere.
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Amos you are a fool, just as CA said you have to trust us every time you strap your fat wallets into those sheepskin chairs. If it wasn't for us you would be flying freighters full of rubber dog s
out of Hong Kong.(Good line for a movie!) And yes need we remind you of that fateful time in 89 when you were offered support but got squashed! 
out of Hong Kong.(Good line for a movie!) And yes need we remind you of that fateful time in 89 when you were offered support but got squashed!
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Just for all your info I spoke to a Qantas Councillor recently about this exact issue and without paraphrasing his words they were to the effect of " AIPA and the ALAEA are enjoying the closest relationship they've had in the existence of both unions, in fact IW at the invitation of the President spoke at the ALAEA National Conference in October 2006 and received plaudits, we have supported each other, we will continue to support each other and those who don't like it can lump it".
Engineers and Pilots the only two licenced professionals in the business, now there's a union no one would fk with.
By the way both organizations NOW have two traits that have drawn their members into the fold, HONESTY and CONSCIENCE.
You flyem and I'll fixem and both of us will keep all that fly......... SAFE.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Oh yes other guests at the ALAEA National Conference
Bill Shorten / Ben Swann AWU
Glenn Thompson AMWU
Linda White ASU
All worth their weight in gold
Engineers and Pilots the only two licenced professionals in the business, now there's a union no one would fk with.
By the way both organizations NOW have two traits that have drawn their members into the fold, HONESTY and CONSCIENCE.
You flyem and I'll fixem and both of us will keep all that fly......... SAFE.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Oh yes other guests at the ALAEA National Conference
Bill Shorten / Ben Swann AWU
Glenn Thompson AMWU
Linda White ASU
All worth their weight in gold
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Nice wind up, but you are really a sad soul!
Sit back and shut up and let the LAME's get on with their posts here.
After all "if they dont sign, you DONT fly"
Give QF hell boys and girls!
Nice wind up, but you are really a sad soul!
Sit back and shut up and let the LAME's get on with their posts here.
After all "if they dont sign, you DONT fly"
Give QF hell boys and girls!
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you are quite possibly the only MANAGEMENT pilot who has posted here.
most drivers I talk to are supportive, but then they're long haul and their eba is due soon. You short haul guys did your deal. If you are happy with that then let us get on with ours. If your plane is delayed because of a genuine problem then so be it. If you don't wish to report a fault and risk the safety of your pax, then I'm sure CASA will gladly investigate any complaints from a concerned party.
most drivers I talk to are supportive, but then they're long haul and their eba is due soon. You short haul guys did your deal. If you are happy with that then let us get on with ours. If your plane is delayed because of a genuine problem then so be it. If you don't wish to report a fault and risk the safety of your pax, then I'm sure CASA will gladly investigate any complaints from a concerned party.
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Last-ditch talks in Qantas peace bid
By Steve Creedy, The Australian
QANTAS management and the airline's engineers will hold 11th-hour talks today in an attempt to avert industrial action next week but hopes of a settlement remain slim.
If no agreement is reached, rolling stoppages will begin next Wednesday.
Although both sides agree the public is unlikely to see a big impact initially, the risk of delays and of some planes being temporarily grounded will increase as the dispute drags on.
Qantas executive general manager engineering David Cox indicated yesterday there would be no change in the airline's negotiating position.
Qantas is offering a 3 per cent pay rise in response to demands from the engineers for a 5 per cent increase, but there are other issues involving rostering and job classifications that the union sees as deal-breakers.
"We have made what we believe is a reasonable offer and remain disappointed that this has not been taken up yet,' Mr Cox said yesterday. "Our approach tomorrow will be no different, and we remain open to finding a solution."
Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association federal president Paul Cousins put the chances of a settlement at about one in four but said he remained an optimist.
"I think Qantas will come to their senses sooner or later and realise we're not asking for the world, we're only asking for a small amount in comparison to how much they're going to have to pay out for the scab labour at$100,000 a pop," Mr Cousins said.
The airline has yet to explain its contingency plans in detail but it has said it is seeking to employ engineers to work through the strike and it is looking at matching aircraft to routes. It has also cancelled all leave for its licensed engineers.
The union does not believe Qantas has found enough engineers in Australia to offset the industrial action.
Mr Cousins said he understood that the company had approached Virgin Blue engineers to work on their days offand was talking to John Holland Aviation Services, the successor to Ansett's engineering operations.
He had also received reports that Qantas was planning to move employees from Singapore and had been conducting night-time training sessions for managers.
He did not believe Jetstar would be a viable source of engineers because its staff specialised in Airbus A320s, an aircraft Qantas does not operate.
QANTAS management and the airline's engineers will hold 11th-hour talks today in an attempt to avert industrial action next week but hopes of a settlement remain slim.
If no agreement is reached, rolling stoppages will begin next Wednesday.
Although both sides agree the public is unlikely to see a big impact initially, the risk of delays and of some planes being temporarily grounded will increase as the dispute drags on.
Qantas executive general manager engineering David Cox indicated yesterday there would be no change in the airline's negotiating position.
Qantas is offering a 3 per cent pay rise in response to demands from the engineers for a 5 per cent increase, but there are other issues involving rostering and job classifications that the union sees as deal-breakers.
"We have made what we believe is a reasonable offer and remain disappointed that this has not been taken up yet,' Mr Cox said yesterday. "Our approach tomorrow will be no different, and we remain open to finding a solution."
Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association federal president Paul Cousins put the chances of a settlement at about one in four but said he remained an optimist.
"I think Qantas will come to their senses sooner or later and realise we're not asking for the world, we're only asking for a small amount in comparison to how much they're going to have to pay out for the scab labour at$100,000 a pop," Mr Cousins said.
The airline has yet to explain its contingency plans in detail but it has said it is seeking to employ engineers to work through the strike and it is looking at matching aircraft to routes. It has also cancelled all leave for its licensed engineers.
The union does not believe Qantas has found enough engineers in Australia to offset the industrial action.
Mr Cousins said he understood that the company had approached Virgin Blue engineers to work on their days offand was talking to John Holland Aviation Services, the successor to Ansett's engineering operations.
He had also received reports that Qantas was planning to move employees from Singapore and had been conducting night-time training sessions for managers.
He did not believe Jetstar would be a viable source of engineers because its staff specialised in Airbus A320s, an aircraft Qantas does not operate.
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Apparently these night time training sessions were in Canberra on Wednesday night. Is Canberra the new Dubai? Is Qantas Engineering going to be the new Waterfront?
I hear that there were more in attendance at the clandestine training facility than Managers with licences, could it be that there were some non Qantas scabs doing CAR214 and re familiarising themselves and introducing themselves to their new masters?
I hear that there were more in attendance at the clandestine training facility than Managers with licences, could it be that there were some non Qantas scabs doing CAR214 and re familiarising themselves and introducing themselves to their new masters?
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Am getting sick of all this, i want it sorted out, if not i think the outcome is not good for the union, its starting to pit mate against mate.
i know of at least 28, some will surprise, who will not take action and will walk away from the ALAEA, this is not bull , my information is good.
i know of at least 28, some will surprise, who will not take action and will walk away from the ALAEA, this is not bull , my information is good.
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just keep cool and stop posting or rising to any of the baiting here.
If you want something sorted why post here when you should be talking to the union. Or are you one of those who refuses to join but wants the results of their efforts?
Careless talk costs jobs.
If you want victory post elsewhere and leave single cells like mainwheel and management to post here.
If you want something sorted why post here when you should be talking to the union. Or are you one of those who refuses to join but wants the results of their efforts?
Careless talk costs jobs.
If you want victory post elsewhere and leave single cells like mainwheel and management to post here.
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I think you guys should realise that Amos is an ex-89er who has never managed to let the level of vitriol sink to manageable levels since his experiences (whatever they were) of that time. I am a QF pilot and will be supporting you guy as much as am able. Over the last 10 years or so, the level of conscious and unconscious anger that has built up amongst pilots against QF management over what they percieve as the intentional damage done to what was once a great airline and the loyal employees is something to behold. It will be good to get rid of some of that anger is a constructive way.
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Strike could ground Qantas Font Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print Cath Hart | January 03, 2008
QANTAS has ruled out importing temporary skilled workers on 457 visas to break the effect of a looming holiday season strike by 1700 Qantas maintenance workers.
The national carrier's decision to confine its search for replacement workers to the already-stretched local labour market came after new Immigration Minister Chris Evans issued a stern warning that the Labor Government would not tolerate the temporary skilled migration scheme being used to undermine local industrial actions.
The moves have increased the likelihood that Qantas will be temporarily grounded on Wednesday when its licensed engineers - who are required to sign the aircraft out each day and approve any maintenance work - start four-hour rolling stoppages and overtime bans over a pay dispute.
Qantas has been grappling with a series of contingency plans to reduce the impact of the industrial action but it has been dogged by reports that it had been considering importing foreign engineers on so-called 457 temporary work visas to replace the striking workforce and stay in the sky next week.
Senator Evans told The Australian yesterday he would block any attempts to use foreign labour to thwart domestic strike action.
"The Government will not allow the 457 visa scheme to be used as a device to overcome an industrial dispute," he said in a statement. "The 457 visa class is designed to meet temporary skills shortages where Australian-based labour cannot be sourced."
Qantas had said on Tuesday that its contingency plans involved employing Australian workers exclusively "at this stage", but yesterday it ruled out any future moves to use foreign workers in regard to the action.
"Our contingency planning is vital in terms of minimising the impact of threatened action on our operations and our customers," executive general manager of Qantas engineering David Cox said yesterday.
"It includes the employment of qualified people through an Australian-based company with a strong record in aviation. We don't intend to seek or use 457 visas."
Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson seized on Senator Evans' comments. "A lot of people would be asking themselves: is it the union movement or the Government that's running Australia," Dr Nelson said.
The Australian Licensed Engineers Association, which is planning the industrial action, welcomed Senator Evans' comments. ALAEA federal president Paul Cousins said the minister's comments effectively limited Qantas's ability to respond to next week's industrial action.
"Qantas have come out and said that at no stage were they going to bring these people in from overseas but I can assure you the minister has cut off an avenue of escape for them," Mr Cousins said. "There are not enough 'scab' engineers in this country to negate the effect of our industrial action."
The ALAEA wants Qantas to agree to a 5 per cent pay rise but the company is offering 3 per cent with another 1 per cent in superannuation.
Qantas could potentially source engineers from Jetstar but this is not likely to make up the shortfall.
The potentially crippling strike for Qantas comes as Virgin continues talks to secure approval to run 10 weekly flights to the US west coast.
QANTAS has ruled out importing temporary skilled workers on 457 visas to break the effect of a looming holiday season strike by 1700 Qantas maintenance workers.
The national carrier's decision to confine its search for replacement workers to the already-stretched local labour market came after new Immigration Minister Chris Evans issued a stern warning that the Labor Government would not tolerate the temporary skilled migration scheme being used to undermine local industrial actions.
The moves have increased the likelihood that Qantas will be temporarily grounded on Wednesday when its licensed engineers - who are required to sign the aircraft out each day and approve any maintenance work - start four-hour rolling stoppages and overtime bans over a pay dispute.
Qantas has been grappling with a series of contingency plans to reduce the impact of the industrial action but it has been dogged by reports that it had been considering importing foreign engineers on so-called 457 temporary work visas to replace the striking workforce and stay in the sky next week.
Senator Evans told The Australian yesterday he would block any attempts to use foreign labour to thwart domestic strike action.
"The Government will not allow the 457 visa scheme to be used as a device to overcome an industrial dispute," he said in a statement. "The 457 visa class is designed to meet temporary skills shortages where Australian-based labour cannot be sourced."
Qantas had said on Tuesday that its contingency plans involved employing Australian workers exclusively "at this stage", but yesterday it ruled out any future moves to use foreign workers in regard to the action.
"Our contingency planning is vital in terms of minimising the impact of threatened action on our operations and our customers," executive general manager of Qantas engineering David Cox said yesterday.
"It includes the employment of qualified people through an Australian-based company with a strong record in aviation. We don't intend to seek or use 457 visas."
Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson seized on Senator Evans' comments. "A lot of people would be asking themselves: is it the union movement or the Government that's running Australia," Dr Nelson said.
The Australian Licensed Engineers Association, which is planning the industrial action, welcomed Senator Evans' comments. ALAEA federal president Paul Cousins said the minister's comments effectively limited Qantas's ability to respond to next week's industrial action.
"Qantas have come out and said that at no stage were they going to bring these people in from overseas but I can assure you the minister has cut off an avenue of escape for them," Mr Cousins said. "There are not enough 'scab' engineers in this country to negate the effect of our industrial action."
The ALAEA wants Qantas to agree to a 5 per cent pay rise but the company is offering 3 per cent with another 1 per cent in superannuation.
Qantas could potentially source engineers from Jetstar but this is not likely to make up the shortfall.
The potentially crippling strike for Qantas comes as Virgin continues talks to secure approval to run 10 weekly flights to the US west coast.
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Cleaning Windows
How often does this job pop up.
I recently looked up in the AMM how to clean an A/C window. Each different type has its own procedure.
Our Port doesn’t even have the requied stuff.
I recently looked up in the AMM how to clean an A/C window. Each different type has its own procedure.
Our Port doesn’t even have the requied stuff.
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Am getting sick of all this, i want it sorted out, if not i think the outcome is not good for the union, its starting to pit mate against mate.
i know of at least 28, some will surprise, who will not take action and will walk away from the ALAEA, this is not bull , my information is good.
Am getting sick of all this, i want it sorted out, if not i think the outcome is not good for the union, its starting to pit mate against mate.
i know of at least 28, some will surprise, who will not take action and will walk away from the ALAEA, this is not bull , my information is good.
We have to all stick together on this one and I feel it will end in a positive outcome for us.
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I'm a long haul pilot who's had a gutfull of Dixon and his cronies actions against QF employees.
I'll support you guys all the way, its time to take the fight to these!
And while I'm at it, yes.. it would be a great idea to have a merged pilot/engineer union.
I'll support you guys all the way, its time to take the fight to these
!And while I'm at it, yes.. it would be a great idea to have a merged pilot/engineer union.
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guys, thanx for your concern and support.
Wingers, talk to your local reps or else ring one of the exec members direct. They are helpful and will not bullsh!t you, unlike qf management.
Where ever you are, every state in Aus has a member on fed exec (except Tas) so ring him/her, you will not be fobbed off.
There is no doubt company will try to break us, but we hold all the aces. Can you see GD signing out a plane in your absence? Me neither. Put any initials in there you want and very few managers will be willing or able to step into your shoes.
Govt has already blocked use of 457 visas as 'strikebreakers', but remember we are not on strike and have never suggested that we will strike.
Please tell this to all your family and friends. We are trying to negotiate in good faith, but who is organising the 'alternative' work force? Who announced a joint venture MRO in Malaysia while we were in good faith negotiations? Who has revised their profit forecast upwards by four hundred million, but can't afford to keep their engineers' pay in line with national average or inflation? That's 400,000,000! And we're the farking trouble makers! Good faith rant over.
Reeltime, I believe you are not the only one who would like a merged pilot/eng association. I believe the heads of both parties got together late last year to discuss a few things over dinner and the evening was most productive.
Wingers, talk to your local reps or else ring one of the exec members direct. They are helpful and will not bullsh!t you, unlike qf management.
Where ever you are, every state in Aus has a member on fed exec (except Tas) so ring him/her, you will not be fobbed off.
There is no doubt company will try to break us, but we hold all the aces. Can you see GD signing out a plane in your absence? Me neither. Put any initials in there you want and very few managers will be willing or able to step into your shoes.
Govt has already blocked use of 457 visas as 'strikebreakers', but remember we are not on strike and have never suggested that we will strike.
Please tell this to all your family and friends. We are trying to negotiate in good faith, but who is organising the 'alternative' work force? Who announced a joint venture MRO in Malaysia while we were in good faith negotiations? Who has revised their profit forecast upwards by four hundred million, but can't afford to keep their engineers' pay in line with national average or inflation? That's 400,000,000! And we're the farking trouble makers! Good faith rant over.
Reeltime, I believe you are not the only one who would like a merged pilot/eng association. I believe the heads of both parties got together late last year to discuss a few things over dinner and the evening was most productive.