Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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The point that i made was not that Leanne is somehow doing something wrong by not being a member of the Union. What i find outreageous is that she was an FAAA official and resigned when she was not re-elected. Some of us see that as like the boy that takes his bat and ball and goes home when they get bowled out.
NO philosphical Union Committment obviously. Happy to take the pay increases but not contribute like the rest of us. And then criticise the organisation that is doing its best for crew.
sorry its sickening
NO philosphical Union Committment obviously. Happy to take the pay increases but not contribute like the rest of us. And then criticise the organisation that is doing its best for crew.
sorry its sickening
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Yeah Right
Lets hear from every one of the other 3000 LHCC members...they have a right too.Particularly since they are financial members of the FAAA.
Anyone who is not happy withe EBA has the right to approach the company and negotiate their own terms and conditions.There are way too many people who coat tail the hard work of the FAA and its negotiating team
If you are not happy go and see Dixon and strike a deal for yourself.
Give LD a call and perhaps you can join her....Good Luck...You'll need it.
Criticize sure...but for Gods Sake come up with some well reasoned intelligent viable alternatives..C'mon folks show us the alternatives...they'd better be bloody good.
Put Up or Shutup.
Anyone who is not happy withe EBA has the right to approach the company and negotiate their own terms and conditions.There are way too many people who coat tail the hard work of the FAA and its negotiating team
If you are not happy go and see Dixon and strike a deal for yourself.
Give LD a call and perhaps you can join her....Good Luck...You'll need it.
Criticize sure...but for Gods Sake come up with some well reasoned intelligent viable alternatives..C'mon folks show us the alternatives...they'd better be bloody good.
Put Up or Shutup.
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EBA ..Why Lock it up Quickly?
There is another CC EBA due to be renegotiated soon.These people have already shown their colours.They would sell their own mothers to gain the upper hand.The last EBA they signed off on was a total act of bastardry.Even most of their own members weren't happy with it.
Lets not give them a chance to do it again .
Lets not give them a chance to do it again .
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I know that this a Rumour Network, but there appears to be a group of people running a bit of a scare campaign, as indicated by the type and number of e-mails I'm getting,there are quite a few concerned individuals out there.
All I can say is Attend the FAAA meetings, get the facts.
Also, QF management are holding a special Crew Voice for EBA8 on Tuesday 11 Dec between 15.30 and 16.30 hrs it might be worthwhile to hear what they have to say.
The contact details are on CIS.
As far as I'm concerned it looks like that's about as good as it's going to get. I was worried that they were going to hand us AWA's with a pay cut and more hours. So really MM and SR have done pretty good.
I was looking forward to getting my hands on the new toy the A380 but under those conditions ,I don't think so.
I only hope that MM,SR and their team will hang around to help with EBA9.
All I can say is Attend the FAAA meetings, get the facts.
Also, QF management are holding a special Crew Voice for EBA8 on Tuesday 11 Dec between 15.30 and 16.30 hrs it might be worthwhile to hear what they have to say.
The contact details are on CIS.
As far as I'm concerned it looks like that's about as good as it's going to get. I was worried that they were going to hand us AWA's with a pay cut and more hours. So really MM and SR have done pretty good.
I was looking forward to getting my hands on the new toy the A380 but under those conditions ,I don't think so.
I only hope that MM,SR and their team will hang around to help with EBA9.
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as most here
say if you are not sure ring the union, go to the meetings,etc. as for leanne, i do agree with Peg47, its a bit rich for a former official to critisize as a non-member, therefor her voice is irrelevant. let her negotiate her own contract.
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Surfside...
It is true that shorthaul agreed to do regional flying for less money, and inferior conditions to longhaul FA's. But, the conditions and pay that the 'new hire' longhaul FA's will work under (should the EBA be voted up) are substantially lower than shorthaul.
Do you really think these crew members will be happy to work alongside you, when you work less hours per roster, and get paid a sh*tload more? Maybe they will be happy enough for the first few months, but when the novelty wears off, and they are exhausted and broke, what will happen then.
What kind of a workplace environment will it be in 5 or 10 years? Will you still be around then?
It is true that shorthaul agreed to do regional flying for less money, and inferior conditions to longhaul FA's. But, the conditions and pay that the 'new hire' longhaul FA's will work under (should the EBA be voted up) are substantially lower than shorthaul.
Do you really think these crew members will be happy to work alongside you, when you work less hours per roster, and get paid a sh*tload more? Maybe they will be happy enough for the first few months, but when the novelty wears off, and they are exhausted and broke, what will happen then.
What kind of a workplace environment will it be in 5 or 10 years? Will you still be around then?
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Former officials - Non Members
Unbelievable! a former official "of high office" is no longer a member. How many others are there that on being voted out of office are non- members.
Our union is NOT a political party! it is an organised(often disorganised I admit) group designed to maintain our working conditions and employment.
To be voted out of office and then resign because you dont like the officials who have replaced you is a disgrace and despicable.
These officials were voted in by the majority. This is a democracy. S
Let me get this right its ok for people to elect you but if they vote you out thats not OK?
What sort of representative does that make you.
It makes you as bad as those you criticise when they act as strikebreakers.
There should be a rule that if an elected official remains in the job and resigns from the union they can NEVER put themselves up for elected office.
Talk about picking up and taking the ball and going home when the game doesnt go your way.
I hope those individuals put themselves up for the next FAAA election so they can be outed if they have been non- members.
Of course they dont see it that way. Of course they believe they were the best Officials we ever had, they were good but by not being members they have now grouped themselves in with the worst. as said earlier its sickening!
Our union is NOT a political party! it is an organised(often disorganised I admit) group designed to maintain our working conditions and employment.
To be voted out of office and then resign because you dont like the officials who have replaced you is a disgrace and despicable.
These officials were voted in by the majority. This is a democracy. S
Let me get this right its ok for people to elect you but if they vote you out thats not OK?
What sort of representative does that make you.
It makes you as bad as those you criticise when they act as strikebreakers.
There should be a rule that if an elected official remains in the job and resigns from the union they can NEVER put themselves up for elected office.
Talk about picking up and taking the ball and going home when the game doesnt go your way.
I hope those individuals put themselves up for the next FAAA election so they can be outed if they have been non- members.
Of course they dont see it that way. Of course they believe they were the best Officials we ever had, they were good but by not being members they have now grouped themselves in with the worst. as said earlier its sickening!
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Call Button...Nothing New
The situation you describe already exists...The AKL and BKK base already work under Ts and Cs way inferior to ours.....they dont like it(we dont like it) but they live with it.....so will the new guys.
Gen Y are well able to fight their own battles....they are not really suitable for customer service roles though....some airlines are already finding this out....much to their chagrin
Gen Y are well able to fight their own battles....they are not really suitable for customer service roles though....some airlines are already finding this out....much to their chagrin
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in a sense
they shot themselves in the foot. they never can stand for any official position again. other contenders running for office would have a field day "dragging this issue" on and on.
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Call button if the novelty wears off for the "B scalers" and they aren't too happy with their conditions it might be worth explaining to them they wouldnt be having this discussion if we did not agree to a "b scale" which gave them full time employment with Qantas.
You might explain the facts.If they wanted to be a QF flight attendant
they would be working in NZ on less money, and NO conditions. In fact they might even bump into a few of those very same crew who manage to apply to the B Scale and have full time employment with Charlie Q.
Once they get the job they might join the FAAA and start working towards improving their conditions like we had to, except they will have our support.
Alternatively we can all vote NO and we wont have a problem with a B scale.
We wont get sacked, or put on contracts or forcibly made redundant due to Mr RudD.
Of course we wont get the A380, we wont get the 787, why would we when regional will continue to go to the domestics who have a better regional formula than us and CCA will be open for application to operate the 787 and A380 on Jstar wages.
its about time some of us got real and woke up.
You asked for seniority . You got it! We asked for no extra hours we got it!. is it a good deal, Not really. is it the best under the circumstances with the SHaul FAAA awaiting an opportunity to secure extra flying, yes.
It is a shame both divisions of the FAAA are not united and ultimately this is what has now caused the slippery slope to the bottom. Lets hope this EBA secures our future once and for all!
You might explain the facts.If they wanted to be a QF flight attendant
they would be working in NZ on less money, and NO conditions. In fact they might even bump into a few of those very same crew who manage to apply to the B Scale and have full time employment with Charlie Q.
Once they get the job they might join the FAAA and start working towards improving their conditions like we had to, except they will have our support.
Alternatively we can all vote NO and we wont have a problem with a B scale.
We wont get sacked, or put on contracts or forcibly made redundant due to Mr RudD.
Of course we wont get the A380, we wont get the 787, why would we when regional will continue to go to the domestics who have a better regional formula than us and CCA will be open for application to operate the 787 and A380 on Jstar wages.
its about time some of us got real and woke up.
You asked for seniority . You got it! We asked for no extra hours we got it!. is it a good deal, Not really. is it the best under the circumstances with the SHaul FAAA awaiting an opportunity to secure extra flying, yes.
It is a shame both divisions of the FAAA are not united and ultimately this is what has now caused the slippery slope to the bottom. Lets hope this EBA secures our future once and for all!
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You know, I find this short haul union really weird. Imagine if it were the other way around, that WE were the ones who earned less money and had to do higher hours. THEY were the ones who earned more and had better conditions. Do you really think we would go and chase after their work and try and take it away from them?? I don't think so! I think that those who liked the idea of doing their flying would simply apply for a transfer.
I don't understand why short haul wants to undercut us and try and take what has been traditionally OUR work. With the regional flying agreement, they have taken a lot of our work and they are often doing it for less money than we get. If some of them had really wanted to do international flying, they always could have transferred to long haul to do that flying and do it under our pay and conditions.
samford said in post #731:
"We will take all the flying we can get"? This union is dangerous and short-sighted. I hope this statement is not true, but it shows another reason why it is important to get this new EBA up and protect ourselves.
We need to get our regional flying back. Regional flying is still international flying and we are supposed to be international crew.
I don't understand why short haul wants to undercut us and try and take what has been traditionally OUR work. With the regional flying agreement, they have taken a lot of our work and they are often doing it for less money than we get. If some of them had really wanted to do international flying, they always could have transferred to long haul to do that flying and do it under our pay and conditions.
samford said in post #731:
I spoke to the Domestic FAAA yesterday, and negotiations for the SH EBA is due to commence in Jan. I was told "we will take all the flying we can get", its that attitude which should give some warning to you all.
We need to get our regional flying back. Regional flying is still international flying and we are supposed to be international crew.
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u sound like libs..
Regarding the "access" to the new aircraft with salary protection" I understand that this means that if we ask to fly on this for 2 years we go under the b- scale rule?? if that is true? if so where is the "protection"?!?! thats not good enough! we should be able to fly on all long-hall aircraft with the pay and hours that we deserve. and if by chance the eba8 is voted "no" (and if it is, you lot will turn cause it doesn't suit your selfish selves) isn't it possible the union goes back to the table? Their are a few other holes too..why does that sound like the end of the world for you? too much work? remember the law is fairer now that labor is in..fight it! we deserve to be treaded fairly..Stop trying to snow everyone over like a crooked John Howard! yes I'm talkin to you M&R!
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Er ahhh have you been paying attention to anything that is happenning around you mate?
Forget the faaa guys, observe these few points.
previous officials one mentioned earlier(LD) agreed to a foreign cap of 870. Not Mij or Reed other officials who were good guys.legal advice was there was nothing they could do to stop it.
This was the beginning of the Thai basing, it was then joined by the kiwi base.
The london base then became reality. Because of the precedent agreed to by the former officials ( they were told by legal advice they could not stop this either.). Mij couldn't stop the London base. He did put out several news letters requesting that we do not apply. This was ignored as you would know.
Yes people wanted to go over on bugger all pay and no conditions, it was life style.
Meanwhile short haul agree to an eba which effectively gave them our regional flying and reduced our band payments if we transferred across.
Mij did get us access(exclusive to the A380) as part of that div flying agreement. For Mij to get our regional glying back appreciating that a #&&%tload of 787s have been ordered he had to re - open the div flying agreement.
So now you say lets vote no and go back to the Company and they will give us the pay and conditions we deserve.
Crew bunk
you ought to go into comedy.
We all know what we deserve and it has not been any of the above!
As Hawke said earlier Rudd is not going to help us other than make sure we cant be sacked and replaced by cheaper, and we cant be forced on contracts.
What will happen if we vote no is we will be left on the 747 until it dies off. end of story.there is nothing stopping the Company giving that aircraft to CCaustralia to operate, then the company could argue because there are no 747s for us its redundancy time. Not much we can do when jetstar crew have created a new entry wage into international flying and short haul have a better formula for regional. I wonder if short haul would agree to long haul flying in their next eba?
going back to the company and arguing for what we deserve might be morally right but if you look at the landscape surrounding us its like your suburb is surrounded by fires and you want to argue with the council on better fire restrictions and burning off. Its too late, you try and protect your house with a hose and rudd(the firbrigade) might help.
They will put the fire out but he wont help you rebuild whats been burnt.
Crewbunk you sound very naive to the machinations of how all this industrial stuff works.the company have had almost 1000 mam casuals ready for this eba(cabin crew australia) and aussies have had to live in NZ to fly for qantas.
You think we vote no and swan back into the company and they will give you what you (we ) deserve.
For sure they will but i dont think it will be what you expect
Go to a meeting , ask your questions. By the way doom and gloom aside after shaking my head when reading your post it did make me smile
Forget the faaa guys, observe these few points.
previous officials one mentioned earlier(LD) agreed to a foreign cap of 870. Not Mij or Reed other officials who were good guys.legal advice was there was nothing they could do to stop it.
This was the beginning of the Thai basing, it was then joined by the kiwi base.
The london base then became reality. Because of the precedent agreed to by the former officials ( they were told by legal advice they could not stop this either.). Mij couldn't stop the London base. He did put out several news letters requesting that we do not apply. This was ignored as you would know.
Yes people wanted to go over on bugger all pay and no conditions, it was life style.
Meanwhile short haul agree to an eba which effectively gave them our regional flying and reduced our band payments if we transferred across.
Mij did get us access(exclusive to the A380) as part of that div flying agreement. For Mij to get our regional glying back appreciating that a #&&%tload of 787s have been ordered he had to re - open the div flying agreement.
So now you say lets vote no and go back to the Company and they will give us the pay and conditions we deserve.
Crew bunk
you ought to go into comedy. We all know what we deserve and it has not been any of the above!
As Hawke said earlier Rudd is not going to help us other than make sure we cant be sacked and replaced by cheaper, and we cant be forced on contracts.
What will happen if we vote no is we will be left on the 747 until it dies off. end of story.there is nothing stopping the Company giving that aircraft to CCaustralia to operate, then the company could argue because there are no 747s for us its redundancy time. Not much we can do when jetstar crew have created a new entry wage into international flying and short haul have a better formula for regional. I wonder if short haul would agree to long haul flying in their next eba?
going back to the company and arguing for what we deserve might be morally right but if you look at the landscape surrounding us its like your suburb is surrounded by fires and you want to argue with the council on better fire restrictions and burning off. Its too late, you try and protect your house with a hose and rudd(the firbrigade) might help.
They will put the fire out but he wont help you rebuild whats been burnt.
Crewbunk you sound very naive to the machinations of how all this industrial stuff works.the company have had almost 1000 mam casuals ready for this eba(cabin crew australia) and aussies have had to live in NZ to fly for qantas.
You think we vote no and swan back into the company and they will give you what you (we ) deserve.
For sure they will but i dont think it will be what you expect
Go to a meeting , ask your questions. By the way doom and gloom aside after shaking my head when reading your post it did make me smile
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to the last poster..
Go back to the table????? You must be kidding
The FAAA has been putting this EBA together for 2 years. It links all 7 previous EBA's into one EBA.
It provides that All new aircraft that Qantas flys internationally will be flown by current long haul crew under their current hours and money.
The Labour goverment wont change any laws that would affect this EBA for at least six months and even then there is nothing better that we are likely to get out of Qantas than we have got here.
The last poster is clearly a short haul flight attendant who wants the EBA defeated so that the introspective and short sighted among them will get a chance to grab the 787 and more international flying.
99% of crew in Long Haul are intelligent enough to see our position and make sensible decisions. they know that this is a great EBA considering our circumstances and they will not listen to the likes of crewbunkbonker who doesnt know his ass from his elbow.
They certainly wont listen to former failed FAAA officials who arent even FAAA members and are more opposed to the current FAAA officials than the EBA itself.
If anyone here thinks that they can do a better deal than the FAAA has done then they can approach Qantas for an AWA .....they are still legal and if the genuises our there (that form a small noisy minority) are so smart lets see what you can get for yourself.
The FAAA have had a QC and one of the toP IR Barristers as well as the FAAA lawyer and three senior officials negotiate this EBA. If they recommend this deal as a good deal then i would suggest that it makes sense to listen to them.
To anyone that has an opposing view that's fine. You then need to suggest what leverage that crew have to get something better????
The only thing that would be better would be if the A380 was just another aircraft that we flew. That is NOT going to happen. Qantas has decided it will be another DIVISION and the FAAA have negotiated tranfers rights for Long Haul Crew with Salary protection.
If the EBA goes down Qantas will still have the A380 as a different work force as the law allows it. WHat is guaranted in that scenario is that the 787 is then up for grabs by the A380 group or short haul. Furthermore, no new aircraft will come into the Long Haul arena and we will slowly dissappear with CR over the next couple of years as our work would be given to others.
The company has agreed to cap overseas crew numbers as part of this EBA. If its defeated then there will be no limit to overseas crew or promotions in NEW ZEaland. The 80 CSM positions and 160 CSS positions just advertised will be cancelled , the regional flying will stay with short haul and long Haul crew will then look for someone to blame.
The only difference is that they wont know WHO to blame because the opposition is ANONYMOUS....and if you understand what i have just said you will know WHY they will want to remain ANONYNOUS
Go back to the table????? You must be kidding
The FAAA has been putting this EBA together for 2 years. It links all 7 previous EBA's into one EBA.
It provides that All new aircraft that Qantas flys internationally will be flown by current long haul crew under their current hours and money.
The Labour goverment wont change any laws that would affect this EBA for at least six months and even then there is nothing better that we are likely to get out of Qantas than we have got here.
The last poster is clearly a short haul flight attendant who wants the EBA defeated so that the introspective and short sighted among them will get a chance to grab the 787 and more international flying.
99% of crew in Long Haul are intelligent enough to see our position and make sensible decisions. they know that this is a great EBA considering our circumstances and they will not listen to the likes of crewbunkbonker who doesnt know his ass from his elbow.
They certainly wont listen to former failed FAAA officials who arent even FAAA members and are more opposed to the current FAAA officials than the EBA itself.
If anyone here thinks that they can do a better deal than the FAAA has done then they can approach Qantas for an AWA .....they are still legal and if the genuises our there (that form a small noisy minority) are so smart lets see what you can get for yourself.
The FAAA have had a QC and one of the toP IR Barristers as well as the FAAA lawyer and three senior officials negotiate this EBA. If they recommend this deal as a good deal then i would suggest that it makes sense to listen to them.
To anyone that has an opposing view that's fine. You then need to suggest what leverage that crew have to get something better????
The only thing that would be better would be if the A380 was just another aircraft that we flew. That is NOT going to happen. Qantas has decided it will be another DIVISION and the FAAA have negotiated tranfers rights for Long Haul Crew with Salary protection.
If the EBA goes down Qantas will still have the A380 as a different work force as the law allows it. WHat is guaranted in that scenario is that the 787 is then up for grabs by the A380 group or short haul. Furthermore, no new aircraft will come into the Long Haul arena and we will slowly dissappear with CR over the next couple of years as our work would be given to others.
The company has agreed to cap overseas crew numbers as part of this EBA. If its defeated then there will be no limit to overseas crew or promotions in NEW ZEaland. The 80 CSM positions and 160 CSS positions just advertised will be cancelled , the regional flying will stay with short haul and long Haul crew will then look for someone to blame.
The only difference is that they wont know WHO to blame because the opposition is ANONYMOUS....and if you understand what i have just said you will know WHY they will want to remain ANONYNOUS
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peg i dont think im the last poster you are referring to, i posted then edited my mistakes then it went back on, i think you mean crew bunk. Seeing you are around is there anything you can do about mij at the meetings. alot of people are saying he speaks and doesnt let people offer up a different viewpoint without insulting them - ie "you dont know what you are talking about".is allegedly what he has said, is that appropriate?
I know he thinks he knows the truth, the facts but this is a democracy, yes he is experienced but that doesnt give him the right to be demeaning or aggressive at meetings. He may be passionate but if people feel they wont be heard or thay have a viable alternative and will be shouted down then why would people attend. Its a turn off and not very professional, (that is if that is how he is behaving), ill be attending next week i hope.
I know he thinks he knows the truth, the facts but this is a democracy, yes he is experienced but that doesnt give him the right to be demeaning or aggressive at meetings. He may be passionate but if people feel they wont be heard or thay have a viable alternative and will be shouted down then why would people attend. Its a turn off and not very professional, (that is if that is how he is behaving), ill be attending next week i hope.
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The rates of pay for new starters will be about 34K for F/A 55K for CSS and 70K for CSM. These are salarys based on 240 hours per roster, however crew on the new entry conditions will average about 220 hours.
Overtime at double time will be paid between 12 and 14 hours and double time and a half will be paid after 14 hours. New crew and A380 will not be paid Long Range Allowance as well but the overtime provisions as aforementioned will be paid.
New crew will not be able to apply for CSS for 2 years and 4 years for CSM. Any crew fromm current long haul that go to A380 will work under the hours and work rules that will exist there, but will essentially take their current incomes with them through a salary top up arrangement negotiated as part of EBA8.
In relation to the conduct at the FAAA meetings it would be fair to say that members and officials can get animated and passionate, but i dont believe that anyone has been insulted or shouted down as has been suggested.
There have been a few members that have had a concluded view about the EBA before coming to the meetings and have made comments that have been inconsistent with the truth or more importantly the FACTS.
The comments made by nite walker are in that context. That is not to say that we cant all try to remain calm and polite whether FAAA official or member and the point is taken
However nite walker please be aware that there are some who want to see the EBA defeated for "political reasons" and are being deliberately misleading at the meetings and this does tend to imflame passions.
The FAAA officials stayed for 5 hours on Friday i am advised to remain until every member had their questions answered. That has never ever happened before, and on that basis flight attendants can be sure that no attempt to railroad crew will take place
Overtime at double time will be paid between 12 and 14 hours and double time and a half will be paid after 14 hours. New crew and A380 will not be paid Long Range Allowance as well but the overtime provisions as aforementioned will be paid.
New crew will not be able to apply for CSS for 2 years and 4 years for CSM. Any crew fromm current long haul that go to A380 will work under the hours and work rules that will exist there, but will essentially take their current incomes with them through a salary top up arrangement negotiated as part of EBA8.
In relation to the conduct at the FAAA meetings it would be fair to say that members and officials can get animated and passionate, but i dont believe that anyone has been insulted or shouted down as has been suggested.
There have been a few members that have had a concluded view about the EBA before coming to the meetings and have made comments that have been inconsistent with the truth or more importantly the FACTS.
The comments made by nite walker are in that context. That is not to say that we cant all try to remain calm and polite whether FAAA official or member and the point is taken
However nite walker please be aware that there are some who want to see the EBA defeated for "political reasons" and are being deliberately misleading at the meetings and this does tend to imflame passions.
The FAAA officials stayed for 5 hours on Friday i am advised to remain until every member had their questions answered. That has never ever happened before, and on that basis flight attendants can be sure that no attempt to railroad crew will take place
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Peg your comments are appreciated but you must admit MM does have a reputation of getting very "animated" at times. Your defence is admiarable but he must tone it down if he wants to hold the respect of the membership.
This stand over eba tactics of delivering ebas has been the case with former officials from time to time but it is no longer appropriate. Union thuggery went out with the 70s, or so i thought, thanks again and good to see a first with staying till all questions answered. Give it time some of the knockers will find fault with that too
This stand over eba tactics of delivering ebas has been the case with former officials from time to time but it is no longer appropriate. Union thuggery went out with the 70s, or so i thought, thanks again and good to see a first with staying till all questions answered.
Give it time some of the knockers will find fault with that too
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The EBA provides for 4 years under the EBA for CSM and 2 years for CSS. That however is only in relation to 747/787/A330 land.
Given the anticipated growth projected in the A380 Division, its conceivable that they may have trouble attracting enough crew from the current world who are eligible for promotion. On that basis, the EBA provides that the 4 years and 2 years does not apply in A380 division.
All promotion will be merit selected and the negotiations contemplated a vast array of experience that candidates for promotion bring to the job
Given the anticipated growth projected in the A380 Division, its conceivable that they may have trouble attracting enough crew from the current world who are eligible for promotion. On that basis, the EBA provides that the 4 years and 2 years does not apply in A380 division.
All promotion will be merit selected and the negotiations contemplated a vast array of experience that candidates for promotion bring to the job
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Has it been revealed who will be running QCCA? Is this company to be totally run by Qantas? What happens at a later stage if they decide to sell the company? Are any present or past Union officials to profit from this company?
Have these questions been addressed at the meetings?
Does anyone know what arrangements are in place for shorthaul cabin crew to transfer to longhaul, should this EBA get up?
Have these questions been addressed at the meetings?
Does anyone know what arrangements are in place for shorthaul cabin crew to transfer to longhaul, should this EBA get up?
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the bigger picture
my thoughts are that MAM casuals will be offered to transfer accross to a permanent position. given that the former union official made 1,5mill in profits out of casuals last year,QF has finanlly woken up that the can do it in-house and save a bucket load of money. that should give them an excuse to increase their own wages and bonuses. 